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gunner03
January 23, 2006, 02:58 AM
I've read the shurefire v's brand x threads. My question is maglight or 1,000,000 candle power cordless inside your home? I've got both next to the bed. The big light would blind the BG but would also mess with your own night vision. I know many of you have alot of training and exp. so there it is.:)

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UberPhLuBB
January 23, 2006, 05:25 AM
Even a 120 lumen Surefire is too much for a middle of the night house clearing. It's just too bright on your own eyes. A portable torch is overkill.

60-80 lumens is perfect, it's more than enough to stun and blind an opponent while not hurting your own eyes when diffused off walls and objects.

odysseus
January 23, 2006, 06:07 AM
I agree 120 lumens is a lot. Depends on if you are carrying to blind or not too. :)

Does anyone have any experience with their LED lines? I see that Surefire has a few which they claim 80 lumens, but of course with a much better battery life and LED durability.

Fred Fuller
January 23, 2006, 08:54 AM
Just bought a pair of these for pocket carry for my wife and myself-
http://www.amondotech.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=816 . They are quite satisfactory. See the flashlightreviews article linked from the page for details.

Best deal among the Surefires is the G2. See the review at
http://www.flashlightreviews.com/reviews/surefire_g2.htm . There are replacement LED lamp assemblies available for it now too- see
http://www.flashlightreviews.com/reviews/gp_p60lux3.htm .

lpl/nc

gunner03
January 23, 2006, 10:31 AM
Thanks,thats kind of what I thought, just wanted another opp.

MS .45
January 23, 2006, 11:32 AM
Right now I am using my Streamlight Sorpion LED for nightstand duty. Around 60-70 lumens, nice white light, and 2hrs regulated runtime. It has been a great light.

Technosavant
January 23, 2006, 11:42 AM
You can get quite competent Inova LED lights for low prices (under $30, some around $12) at Target. Rather good, especially for the price. It is the light which matters, not the name on the side of the light source.

Kevlarman
January 23, 2006, 06:55 PM
I have a Surefire L4, which uses a 5W Luxeon Star LED.

It's rated at 65-lumens (regulated) for 1 hour, followed by many hours of "useful" light. Since I use a 3.7V rechargeable Li-ion battery, I get about 50 minutes of full brightness light, followed by a few hours of slowly diminishing light. On the upside, I don't have to buy those expensive 123A batteries anymore!

The L4 literally puts out a "wall" of pure white light. The beam is diffuse, so it's not very good for long range throw (get a 3W Luxeon for that), but it is more than enough for clearing a house. In fact, I sometimes find it too bright for up close work, for example, rummaging around in the closet.

If I'm feeling nostalgic, I'll bust out the 3-D cell Maglite. It's been modified to output around 900 lumens, and still has the capability of walloping someone upside the head! :D

DigMe
January 23, 2006, 07:24 PM
You can get quite competent Inova LED lights for low prices (under $30, some around $12) at Target. Rather good, especially for the price. It is the light which matters, not the name on the side of the light source.

Inova is actually a pretty good and well respected name to have on the side of your flashlight!

brad cook

odysseus
January 24, 2006, 02:54 PM
If I'm feeling nostalgic, I'll bust out the 3-D cell Maglite. It's been modified to output around 900 lumens, and still has the capability of walloping someone upside the head! :D

I have one of those sitting around. Where can I look up modifying the maglite to output more lumens?

Kevlarman
January 24, 2006, 07:44 PM
Check out candlepowerforums.com and search for "Mag85," or PM user black bear on this board. :)

VWTim
January 25, 2006, 12:50 AM
Check out candlepowerforums.com and search for "Mag85," or PM user black bear on this board. :)

For sh*t's and giggles I took my Mag85 out to the Low light/ night fire course a few months back, let me tell you, you really can have too much light when shooting. The amount of light it put out, on an outdoor range was unbelievable, it lit up my target, the guys next to me's target's, their neighbor's targets. And to top it off the contrast of that much light made my gun in hand all but dissapear and the sights were non-visible. I've since made sure to keep the Mag85 and 74 out of the bedroom nightstand area just in case.

a 60-80 lumen light it much better for use when you need to keep some of your nightvision.

black bear
January 25, 2006, 03:23 PM
QUOTE=VWTim]For sh*t's and giggles I took my Mag85 out to the Low light/ night fire course a few months back, let me tell you, you really can have too much light when shooting. The amount of light it put out, on an outdoor range was unbelievable, it lit up my target, the guys next to me's target's, their neighbor's targets. And to top it off the contrast of that much light made my gun in hand all but dissapear and the sights were non-visible. I've since made sure to keep the Mag85 and 74 out of the bedroom nightstand area just in case.

a 60-80 lumen light it much better for use when you need to keep some of your nightvision.[/QUOTE]

VWTIM.
I beg to differ here, with your experience of too much light washing out the sights or just being TOO much.

Once more (after reading your post) I went down to my pitch black basement with my Gov't .45 in stainless steel and tried a few of my MEGA lights, the MAG 951 II with 951 lumens, the EXP 852 (852 lumens) and the Black Bear 678 lumens, I tried a variety of positions, Harries, reverse Harries, Chapman, FBI, I even tried my old (40 years old) black bear position, that is when you place you light in top of you head so the light fall on the sigh and on the target. This position I invented 40 years ago (when no shooting was done with two hands) for the need to see the lousy sights in my pre-war ppk and my WWII Colt .45.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/pistolFlash.jpg

For the life of me I can't see how your sights are going to wash out when you use the light in the Harries, Chapman, Rogers-Surefire or any other position where the light is parallel with the pistol

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/crossedwrist.jpg

And even the ones that are not parallel like my black bear or FBI or reverse Harries.

I EVEN TRIED MY 2,000.000 CANDLEPOWER SPOTLIGHT INDEXED ON TOP OF MY HEAD AND ALL THE LIGHT FALLING ON THE SIGHTS AND TARGET, AND I DIDN'T GET ANY WASH OUT EFFECT.

Now this is something so contrary to my experience of many years with lights and shooting, that I have to come up and complaint.
I have built ninety MAG 951's to the members of this and other Police and shooting Forums and for officers of my local precinct, no one have commented on the backlash effect of the light in impairing vision. Many customers write back telling me their experiences with the light in night shooting ranges and none have commented by been blinded by their own light.

If a guy can be affected by too much light, it is me!! I have a fair complexion and blue eyes and can't stand the summer sun for long.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/JCflashlights.jpg

Now, this is a test that don't need any laboratory equipment and that can be done by some of the posters in this thread, I know that Kevlarman have one of my lights, DigMe too, and others can use a 2 million candlepower spotlight to conduct the same test I did.

When people talk about blinding themselves with a powerful light I don't know what they are talking about, so I invite other to do the test and post their findings here.

One more point before closing, if you use any kind of light even a 15 lumens one, your are messing your "night vision" but WHY you need night vision for when you are making the room like day with a MEGA light!!


Best regards to all
black bear

DigMe
January 25, 2006, 11:29 PM
I have shot with my Mag951 and my Surefire G2 using the Harries position. I found no difference in sighting except that the target was much brighter with the Mag951.

brad cook

UberPhLuBB
January 26, 2006, 03:32 AM
I have shot with my Mag951 and my Surefire G2 using the Harries position. I found no difference in sighting except that the target was much brighter with the Mag951.

brad cook

Well clearly you didn't do it in the middle of the night, after giving your eyes a few hours to adjust to total darkness or you would be blind.

There is an enormous difference between just 60 and 120 lumens in absolute darkness. The peripheral light from 950 lumens would permanently print an outline on your retinas! :what:

LAK
January 27, 2006, 07:22 AM
I think the Streamlight Scorpion and SureFire 2-cells (I have an E2) are the best all round choices. Unless you have a large property, in which case you might want a stronger lamp handy when venturing outside.

The Streamlight Scorpion is my favorite; not so small that it gets lost in the hand (esp if gloves are worn), rubber sleeve affords a good grip, tail button operation, and nice beam. About perfect IMO, and a bargain at c.$30.

People with very small hands might find the little SureFires afford better handling.
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VWTim
January 27, 2006, 02:27 PM
Go ahead and post your basement tests along with all your sales propaganda there. What I'm saying is..."I shot MUCH worse when using too much light at a night shoot" My eye's had been aclimated to the darkness of the range and the contrast was just too much. FWIW my 1911 I was shooting has XS Big Dot's not an easy sight to miss. And it still was so much light the outline of the gun starts to fade.

I'm not knocking Mag85's in general, I love mine, but it's not a shooting tool. In a SHTF scenario you want to also keep what little night vision you had before. Shoot....move....

LAK
January 28, 2006, 08:51 AM
In a SHTF scenario you want to also keep what little night vision you had before. Shoot....move....
Yep; there may well be a time, or times, when you want your light off to avoid marking your location or having yourself silhouetted by your own beam reflections. If you do, and you have no night vision - where does that leave you?

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