Canada Chooses Conservative: Impact on Gun Rights?


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Camp David
January 24, 2006, 11:05 AM
Canadians choose conservative
Defeated PM Paul Martin to step down as Liberal leader
Tuesday, January 24, 2006; Posted: 3:09 a.m. EST (08:09 GMT)
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/01/24/canada.election/index.html
Conservative Stephen Harper and wife celebrate victory.
(CNN) -- Canadians elected Conservative Party leader Stephen Harper as their next prime minister Monday, but denied him the outright majority he would need to take any strong change in direction. "Tonight friends, our great country has voted for change and Canadians have asked our party to take the lead in that change," Harper told a cheering crowd of party faithful in Calgary late Monday. "There will be another chance, and there will be another time," Martin said. "The people of Canada have chosen (Harper) to lead a minority government, and I wish him the best."
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Note that the Conservative Party won by the slimest of margins; compromise will be necessary but a win is a win... anyone wish to predict how this win will affect gun rights across Canada?

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shermacman
January 24, 2006, 11:10 AM
I am underwhelmed. It is sounding more and more like the People of Kanuckistan got frustrated with Martin's corruption problems and voted him out. As a "conservative" Harper sounds a bit to the right of Bernie Sanders.

HankB
January 24, 2006, 11:12 AM
In the USA people think of the GOP as "conservative" . . . but that's only by comparison to the democRATS . . . and when it comes to things like fiscal responsibility and border policy, it's not clear that the GOP would qualify as "conservative" any more even by that generous yardstick.

I'm not up to date on Canadian politics . . . just how conservative is the Canadian Conservative Party? Are they actually "conservative" or is it just the name of a party, with no real meaning?

AirForceShooter
January 24, 2006, 11:12 AM
Impact on gun rights??
Zero, Zip,Nada , nothing.
We're talking about Canadian Conseratives here.

Sort of like RINO's.

AFS

Camp David
January 24, 2006, 11:20 AM
I did it myself folks.... Look to the Conservative Platform...READ IT YOURSELF...
http://andrewcoyne.com/documents/2004Toryplatform.pdf

Page 32 of 44 page Conservative Platform...Third Bullet=>
A conservative government by Stephen Harper will:

"Fight crime by scrapping the firearms registry and redirecting the money to law enforcement."

I love it! Any chance he will run in the USA for 2008?

Another link: http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:T5-zOJA0F8kJ:andrewcoyne.com/Documents/2004ToryPlatform.pdf+canada%27s+conservative+party+%2B+platform&hl=en

Preacherman
January 24, 2006, 11:23 AM
I think that the very interesting part of the Conservative victory will be their selection of a coalition partner. There are many in Canada's Western states who have been making loud noises about separating from the "liberal East" of Canada, and either going their own way as an independent nation, or even joining the USA as additional States. The Bloc Quebecois are, of course, in favor of independence for the French-speaking part of Canada. What if Harper gets together with the BQ on the basis of "let's allow EVERYBODY to vote on whether to stay in Canada or leave"? Things might become very interesting indeed... :D

Maxwell
January 24, 2006, 11:36 AM
"Fight crime by scrapping the firearms registry and redirecting the money to law enforcement."


Thats a fairly good argument for it.

How much do we spend on gun control every year? The batf, the feds, the legal fees and court time arguing weather someone should or shouldnt own something.
Its gotta be a pretty penny to pay for all that.
Then youve got the frustrated citizens who feel alot less secure and dont see a drastic reduction in violence for all the trouble their put through.

It would be an interesting experiment if they took all that money, manpower, and tech then threw it after true criminals on the street level while letting people increase their personal defense as well.

That would probly make a good dent in the crime statistics after a few years.

As for Canada, I'll believe it when I see them in action.
Right now it dosnt seem they were voted in so much as the other party was voted out. That could make passing some of their hot topic items more difficult.
Wait, watch, and pray.

xd9fan
January 24, 2006, 11:37 AM
great :rolleyes: more welfare.....talk about brokeback.......

Headless Thompson Gunner
January 24, 2006, 12:02 PM
I think that the very interesting part of the Conservative victory will be their selection of a coalition partner. There are many in Canada's Western states who have been making loud noises about separating from the "liberal East" of Canada, and either going their own way as an independent nation, or even joining the USA as additional States. The Bloc Quebecois are, of course, in favor of independence for the French-speaking part of Canada. What if Harper gets together with the BQ on the basis of "let's allow EVERYBODY to vote on whether to stay in Canada or leave"? Things might become very interesting indeed... :D
What kind of government would allow its citizens to vote themselves out of the government?

A nifty concept, perhaps. But I just can't see that happening anywhere, anytime.

GEM
January 24, 2006, 12:04 PM
I might be wrong, so please correct, but I think I heard that BOTH parties are in favor of banning handguns. That the 'conservatives' are against registering your moose blaster - so what.

Camp David
January 24, 2006, 12:06 PM
I might be wrong, so please correct, but I think I heard that BOTH parties are in favor of banning handguns...

I provided a link previous to Conservative Tory Platform... didn't seem to be any "banning handguns" language in their plan! Just the opposite actually...

Lobotomy Boy
January 24, 2006, 12:53 PM
I think Martin would be a bit moderate for your taste, Camp David, but in general he seems to be on the right track. Remember, Canadian people have different concepts of "left" and "right." What we would call conservative here, they'd call religious extremists there, and Christian conservative like George Bush there would get about as many votes as the current president of Iran.

LAR-15
January 24, 2006, 03:33 PM
Harper has come out AGAINST the handgun ban. But I think he just wants to leave handgun laws status quo.

Mk VII
January 24, 2006, 03:49 PM
What kind of government would allow its citizens to vote themselves out of the government?

A nifty concept, perhaps. But I just can't see that happening anywhere, anytime.

Czechoslovakia did.

USSR
January 24, 2006, 04:12 PM
The people of Canada have chosen (Harper) to lead a minority government, and I wish him the best.

Imagine the Bush Administration with Democrats controlling both houses of Congress.:uhoh: Harper will have to compromise/water down everything to get anything to pass. It's a recipe for inaction and half-hearted measures. Thank God for our two party system.

Don

MD_Willington
January 24, 2006, 04:47 PM
I think that the very interesting part of the Conservative victory will be their selection of a coalition partner. There are many in Canada's Western states who have been making loud noises about separating from the "liberal East" of Canada, and either going their own way as an independent nation, or even joining the USA as additional States. The Bloc Quebecois are, of course, in favor of independence for the French-speaking part of Canada. What if Harper gets together with the BQ on the basis of "let's allow EVERYBODY to vote on whether to stay in Canada or leave"? Things might become very interesting indeed... :D


BC is pretty liberal, I'm from there...the majority of the vote is from Vancouver...


In the city of Vancouver proper, the Liberals took 42.2 per cent of the vote, and the NDP was at 30.1 per cent. Combined, that comes to more than 72 per cent support.

They love the handouts there, meanwhile the working stiffs elswhere get the shaft.


Beyond Vancouver in the rest of B.C., the Conservatives commanded 41.5 per cent of the vote, while the NDP had 29.4 per cent and the Liberals 22.1.

Standing Wolf
January 24, 2006, 09:17 PM
I'm glad to see the leftist extremists lose, of course, but I'll wait to see the actual real world results.

Calumus
January 24, 2006, 10:34 PM
What kind of government would allow its citizens to vote themselves out of the government?


So did Canada. In the early 90's Quebec only stayed in Canada by about .9% of the vote if I remember correctly. The best part was that they wanted to continue to get the federal money from Canada, have their retired people keep getting their Canadian pensions, and they wanted to leave their debt behind. It would be great for the U.S. if Alberta seceeded. Lots of oil, and for the most part a very conservative bunch of cowboys up there, Quebec can stay on its own though. Bunch of whiney self rightious jerks :) Cheers, (from a Canadian ex-pat who went back for university then got the hell back out as soon as he was done)
Shawn

LAR-15
January 24, 2006, 10:44 PM
The US will trade California, Oregon and Washington for Alberta and interior British Columbia.

fjolnirsson
January 24, 2006, 10:51 PM
The US will trade California, Oregon and Washington for Alberta and interior British Columbia.

Hey.....That ain't nice....

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