There seem to be differing ideas about DA triggers


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MCgunner
January 24, 2006, 10:55 AM
I'm an old revolver guy. To me, a DA should be fairly long, 10-13 lbs, smooth, and perhaps stage at the end. I like a slight staging for accuracy work off the bench for a DAO gun or concealed hammer revolver, but not so much as it'd get in my way in quick shooting.

But, some auto guys seem to think a DAO should be a single action with no safety except for a doo hicky on the trigger, maybe. I don't like that at all. I want the revolver like DA. If I wanted an target trigger, I'd be a 1911 guy, single action anyway, perhaps CZ. I mean, I like a Glock for IDPA stuff in the service pistol class, I'm just hesitant to carry one for safety reasons. I don't want the gun to help when it comes to accidental discharges. Please, spare me the safety rules, I was a certified NRA pistol instructor for a while. I still appreciate hardware that makes it less likely to shoot myself in the butt. I'm a subscriber to the Murphy's Law school of thought. Revolvers are as safe as they are partially because of their trigger systems. I like revolvers, shoot revolvers well, and prefer my SAs to mimic revolver manual of arms, at least on the draw. Decocking ain't a problem with me after the shooting's over.

Fortunately for all of us, there's lots of choices in weapons out there and something for everyone, I suppose. I still don't totally rule out a Glock in the future, but I do think the 8 lb "NY trigger" is an improvement if I'm going to carry one.

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middy
January 24, 2006, 11:42 AM
Carried in a rigid Kydex holster that covers the trigger... I don't see the problem.

I wouldn't carry a Glock in a soft holster or without a holster, unless it had one of the NY trigger springs.

A Glock isn't DA, by the way, it's "Safe-Action". The striker spring is halfway compressed by the action of the slide, the trigger pull compresses it the rest of the way and then releases it. You can't get a second strike by pulling the trigger again, you have to pull the slide back about an inch to reset the striker to "half-cocked".

An XD is considered single-action.

Those are the only two pistols I can think of with a "doo hicky on the trigger", and neither of them are true double-action.

MCgunner
January 24, 2006, 12:29 PM
Carried in a rigid Kydex holster that covers the trigger... I don't see the problem.

I wouldn't carry a Glock in a soft holster or without a holster, unless it had one of the NY trigger springs.

A Glock isn't DA, by the way, it's "Safe-Action". The striker spring is halfway compressed by the action of the slide, the trigger pull compresses it the rest of the way and then releases it. You can't get a second strike by pulling the trigger again, you have to pull the slide back about an inch to reset the striker to "half-cocked".

An XD is considered single-action.

Those are the only two pistols I can think of with a "doo hicky on the trigger", and neither of them are true double-action.

Some talk of the Glock as DAO. But, you're right, it's really not. To me, though, "safe action" seems optimistic. :D The Kydex thing is a good point. I know my Rosen holster is very stiff leather. That'd probably be safe enough. Kydex would be better, I reckon.

Would you consider the Kahr a DAO? The couple I've handled seemed awful light and short triggers, too. They also preload the striker, I understand. They don't have the "doo hickey".

middy
January 24, 2006, 01:19 PM
Rigid leather works fine too. Try to work the trigger without damaging the leather... you probably can't.

Kahrs have a preloaded striker as well. Not true DA, IMHO. Their trigger pull is longer and smoother than a Glock, but the reset is pretty long as well.

I define true DA as a trigger that cocks and releases the hammer/striker every time, like a Sig or a Beretta. YMMV. It's a point of contention.

ghost squire
January 24, 2006, 07:42 PM
I just don't see the point in a long heavy trigger pull. I don't terribly mind heavy ones as long as they are short. I'm not going to mexican carry it, I'm going to have it in a holster so I see no problem in having a short 4-5 pound double action trigger, especially in a DA/SA.

In my mind in a close in gunfight (50 percent are under 5 feet) a long heavy trigger is just going to hurt you not help.

McCall911
January 24, 2006, 07:53 PM
I can't say I'm 100 percent accustomed to the DA trigger of most autoloaders. In casual shooting, I generally prefer single action but I'm disciplining myself to shoot DA.

However, my S&W 645 oddly enough has a sloppier SA trigger than DA, which is something I haven't run into so far. (Yes, I'm sure a good trigger job is in order for ole "Mr. Smith" but I just haven't got around to it.)

MCgunner
January 24, 2006, 08:35 PM
I just don't see the point in a long heavy trigger pull. I don't terribly mind heavy ones as long as they are short. I'm not going to mexican carry it, I'm going to have it in a holster so I see no problem in having a short 4-5 pound double action trigger, especially in a DA/SA.

In my mind in a close in gunfight (50 percent are under 5 feet) a long heavy trigger is just going to hurt you not help.

You've got to learn to use it to appreciate it. Don't tell Jerry Miculek he's slow with a DA. :evil:

I just appreciate the safety in a good DA, holster or no, but I always holster even revolvers.

Someone mentioned a plastic thing once that's designed to go behind the Glock's trigger for paranoids like me. Apparently it's cheap and it snaps in place. All you do on the draw is kick it out of the way with a finger. Anyone got a link to this gizmo or can tell me what it's called, brand name?????? Sure sounds like THE answer to Glock carry for ME, at least.

JohnKSa
January 24, 2006, 11:39 PM
WARNING! BEFORE reading farther, please read the disclaimer at the end of the post.

If you want a revolver style DA trigger pull on a semi-auto, check out the Beretta 92/96 pistols. ;)

McCall911
January 24, 2006, 11:50 PM
WARNING! BEFORE reading farther, please read the disclaimer at the end of the post.

If you want a revolver style DA trigger pull on a semi-auto, check out the Beretta 92/96 pistols. ;)

I don't believe you, John, so buy me one!

:D

(Just kiddin!)

JohnKSa
January 25, 2006, 12:16 AM
WARNING! BEFORE reading farther, please read the disclaimer at the end of the post.

Sure! If you'll buy me one too... :D

torpid
January 25, 2006, 12:32 AM
Someone mentioned a plastic thing once that's designed to go behind the Glock's trigger for paranoids like me. Apparently it's cheap and it snaps in place. All you do on the draw is kick it out of the way with a finger. Anyone got a link to this gizmo or can tell me what it's called, brand name?????? Sure sounds like THE answer to Glock carry for ME, at least.


SAF-T-BLOK?

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sgt127
January 25, 2006, 06:38 PM
Better yet, take a look at a Sig with the DAK trigger. About the same length of pull as a good DA revolver but, about 5.5 lbs and very smooth. And, it has second strike capability. Its a true "double action" but has better leverage for the trigger.

MikeJ
January 25, 2006, 07:21 PM
I have two DAO Berettas; they are both Centurion models in 9mm and 40 S&W. The triggers on these guns feels like a Colt Python's or other similar fine trigger; very very smooth. I can shoot either one accurately and just as rapidly as any of my DA/SA pistols. I love the constant trigger pull and lack of safeties, decockers etc. IMHO, one of the best SD guns out there for people that are basically revolver fans for SD, of which I am one.

ghost squire
January 26, 2006, 06:13 PM
You've got to learn to use it to appreciate it. Don't tell Jerry Miculek he's slow with a DA.

Touche!

MCgunner
January 26, 2006, 06:37 PM
SAF-T-BLOK

Yeah, thanks! I'm going to do a little research on that gizmo, sounds like the deal for glock carry. There are some glocks I really like and they are accurate and reliable, gotta give 'em that!

Correia
January 26, 2006, 07:07 PM
Jerry Miculek's trigger is not a typical DA. Have any of you guys shot a super tuned up 625? I've got guys in my local club who are running ICORE race 625s with sub 5 pound triggers.

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