Why have rifles?
Oleg Volk
January 25, 2006, 04:03 AM
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Nematocyst
January 25, 2006, 04:22 AM
That's a big ol' magazine on that thar rifle.
Nem
MTMilitiaman
January 25, 2006, 04:33 AM
That's a big ol' magazine on that thar rifle.
Nem
That's kinda the point :D
Nice poster Oleg :cool:
psyopspec
January 25, 2006, 04:33 AM
I have a new favorite! Excellent work.
Taurus 66
January 25, 2006, 05:03 AM
I never cared for Kalashnikov designs, but this photo makes it look good.
I still wouldn't buy one.
Maxwell
January 25, 2006, 07:28 AM
Nice poster, keeps it simple and clear.
I still wouldn't buy one.
Well to each his own, the Kalashnikov is probly the worlds most well known modern rifle tho (and has the most shock value to a US viewer :evil: ).
It changes the posters meaning, because many people who think "civilian rifle" think something a deer hunter would use. Not as a useful tool for defense and war that should be in every home.
The whole point of owning weapons is that their not just for sport. Therefore the 2nd amendment didnt just mean target pisols, pepperspray and tazers.
280PLUS
January 25, 2006, 08:21 AM
Nice one Oleg. Just out of curiosity, where do all these posters end up?
Is there a place we can buy them?
Jubei
January 25, 2006, 08:26 AM
I like it Oleg, but how about adding one more line? "And to make Prarie Dogs Explode!". Then again, maybe not.
Good work though.
Jubei
shermacman
January 25, 2006, 08:26 AM
Excellent!
My favorite yet!
Kodiaz
January 25, 2006, 08:27 AM
Oleg, that's great
bogie
January 25, 2006, 09:20 AM
Because it's hard to practice extreme accuracy with a shotgun or a handgun?
Janitor
January 25, 2006, 10:03 AM
Very nice. Very well done - short, simple, & direct.
Henry Bowman
January 25, 2006, 10:08 AM
Very nice. In the interest of diversity, maybe offer the same design with an AR.
NineseveN
January 25, 2006, 10:08 AM
Why do you need a machine gun like that? Ya can't hunt with it. :D
Nice one Oleg, I likie.
V4Vendetta
January 25, 2006, 10:11 AM
"Why do you need a machine gun like that?"
I think civilians can get non-auto ones.
NineseveN
January 25, 2006, 10:17 AM
"Why do you need a machine gun like that?"
I think civilians can get non-auto ones.
Oops, forgot my /sarcasm command. :neener:
Old Fuff
January 25, 2006, 10:30 AM
The message is excellent, and to the point. But you might consider using a "made in America" evil black rifle in place of the AK...
Just a thought. :evil: :)
1911Tuner
January 25, 2006, 10:41 AM
I think that...for the sake of not turning folks off and lending the idea of the "AmericanTradition"...I'd add a Rifle-Musket or Trapdoor Springfield...a Winchester lever gun...A Springfield '03...a Garand...
and switch the Kalashnikov for an M-16. Maybe the caption:
"What purpose has the rifle served through our history."
Just my two pence worth...:cool:
Deathrider1579
January 25, 2006, 10:51 AM
GREAT POSTER!!! (That one is going up in my office)
don't touch it the AK is a great point to make that its not just about the old school weapons but the new ones (you could always go for the 40mm cannon if you want to upgrade)
OH and I figure it’s a fairly large crime that we have to settle for AKM-47s and not the real deal.
-DR
springmom
January 25, 2006, 11:05 AM
I second what others have said: use an American-made gun. ;) Maybe add some other types (put my beloved Remington 700 in there too :neener: ) And you did leave out one reason to have one: for tin-can shooting, just like the non-"modern" ones :D
springmom
cidirkona
January 25, 2006, 11:10 AM
I wish I could hang your posters in my cubicle without the risk of losing my job... :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :(
...New poster idea? ;) :evil:
-Colin
ARperson
January 25, 2006, 11:15 AM
I think that...for the sake of not turning folks off and lending the idea of the "AmericanTradition"...I'd add a Rifle-Musket or Trapdoor Springfield...a Winchester lever gun...A Springfield '03...a Garand...
and switch the Kalashnikov for an M-16. Maybe the caption:
"What purpose has the rifle served through our history."
Just my two pence worth...:cool:
+1
The message is trying to show a RIFLE's purpose. Sheeple are going to see that evil "AK-47" and forget anything else.
1911Tuner
January 25, 2006, 12:08 PM
+1
The message is trying to show a RIFLE's purpose. Sheeple are going to see that evil "AK-47" and forget anything else.
Exactly sir. If the mission is to win the hearts and minds of the fence-sitters,
(You ain't gonna win over a ravin' anti) it's probably not best to use a rifle
that has not only been our enemies' weapon of choice for over a half-century,
but has also been a symbol of oppression throughout the world.
For a handgun ad...What better pistol than the vererable old 1911?
It was the sidearm of our armed forces from Belleau Wood and the Meuse-Argonne to Normandy and Anzio to Inchon and Chosin to
Khe Sahn and Hue to Beiruit. Let freedom Ring!
Again...just MHO.
TallPine
January 25, 2006, 12:16 PM
I love it just the way it is! :)
That's pretty close to what is under my bed at night, and leaning in a handy corner downstairs during the day (Saiga: synthetic stock and no pistol grip).
I like to tell folks that I keep a pack of "Wolves" to run off predators ;)
Though honestly I prefer the look and feel of lever actions, one of the advantages to a semi-auto is that I can pull the magazine out quickly - with a centerfire lever action you have to cycle all the rounds out through the action to unload.
GEM
January 25, 2006, 12:36 PM
Nice work - I would like an AR one though.
Oleg Volk
January 25, 2006, 12:41 PM
Nice one Oleg. Just out of curiosity, where do all these posters end up?
Is there a place we can buy them?
Shortly (within weeks), some posters will become available in a web store that's being designed right now.
I'll make an AR15 and M1A versions, too.
Dave R
January 25, 2006, 12:44 PM
Wow! Says a lot with few words. Well done!
I agree, a different rifle might be more acceptable to fence sitters. An AR, or an M-1...
"And to make Prarie Dogs Explode!". That would defnitely require a different rifle. I don't think you could hit a P-dog with an AK beyond 75 yards. And I've tried with my SAR-3!
f4t9r
January 25, 2006, 02:29 PM
very nice and to the point
280PLUS
January 25, 2006, 02:33 PM
Shortly (within weeks), some posters will become available in a web store that's being designed right now. Awesome! Thanks!
:D
NineseveN
January 25, 2006, 02:38 PM
Shortly (within weeks), some posters will become available in a web store that's being designed right now.
I'll make an AR15 and M1A versions, too.
No FAL? :(
The Free World's Right Arm needs to be represented. :D
gulogulo1970
January 25, 2006, 02:40 PM
I like that one! That is the best you have ever done, perfect.
entropy
January 25, 2006, 02:47 PM
Excellent as is, and a version with a Rev. War era musket and an M16 would even better drive home the multi-use message. Top notch work, Oleg!:)
Stiletto Null
January 25, 2006, 02:54 PM
Looks like it belongs on a DVD case or one of those old VHS sleeves.
Can'thavenuthingood
January 25, 2006, 03:03 PM
Lever action one also please, maybe a 16 -18 inch barrel?
Excellent poster.
Vick
losangeles
January 25, 2006, 03:11 PM
In the spirit of making something American-oriented, sheeple-friendly that some have mentioned, how about (a) an American-made rifle (non-auto, lever-action maybe) and (b) American family on the cover - ordinary-looking husband, blond wife, 2 children (maybe 8 years old and an infant). That'll be work for the American marketplace.
Oleg Volk
January 25, 2006, 03:22 PM
I'll make those also. Trying to cover all bases with limited time and available props.
SMLE
January 25, 2006, 03:27 PM
Do you have an Enfield? :neener:
I would suggest that any military rifles used should have a bayonet fixed.
Oleg Volk
January 25, 2006, 03:31 PM
I have an Enfield #4 but not a FAL. Might have a loaner FAL for pics though.
shooten
January 25, 2006, 03:34 PM
Excellent work Oleg. Definitely one of your best.
Scott
NineseveN
January 25, 2006, 03:55 PM
I have an Enfield #4 but not a FAL. Might have a loaner FAL for pics though.
Hw do you not have a FAL? Oleg, quite frankly, I'm disappointed. :scrutiny:
j/k :neener:
Thanks for the posters and well, everything else.:D
Mizzle187
January 25, 2006, 04:07 PM
Nice poster, keeps it simple and clear.
Well to each his own, the Kalashnikov is probly the worlds most well known modern rifle tho (and has the most shock value to a US viewer :evil: ).
It changes the posters meaning, because many people who think "civilian rifle" think something a deer hunter would use. Not as a useful tool for defense and war that should be in every home.
The whole point of owning weapons is that their not just for sport. Therefore the 2nd amendment didnt just mean target pisols, pepperspray and tazers.
+1 Good Sir!
SMLE
January 25, 2006, 04:08 PM
I'll see if I can't get you a good pic of a #1 MkIII with bayonet.
Ransom
January 25, 2006, 04:34 PM
Shortly (within weeks), some posters will become available in a web store that's being designed right now.
I'll make an AR15 and M1A versions, too.
Sweet Marion Barry, I'll have to choose which are my favorites to hang about the house.
Oleg Volk
January 25, 2006, 04:35 PM
http://www.a-human-right.com/s_duty.jpg
I used to have a FAL made from STG kit. Didn't really like it. DSA rifles I used later were much better, but also much more expensive. I pretty much standardized on AR15 and M15 types...don't get enough training as it is.
gonzo_beyondo
January 25, 2006, 04:56 PM
The whole point of owning weapons is that their not just for sport. Therefore the 2nd amendment didnt just mean target pisols, pepperspray and tazers.
Pepperspray and tazers are illegal where I'm at. So are stun guns and spring batons and "night sticks" and nunchuks and throwing knives and ninja stars... well, you get the idea. We absolutely NEED firearms here, because we're not allowed to have anything else! :neener:
springmom
January 25, 2006, 05:58 PM
http://www.a-human-right.com/s_duty.jpg
I used to have a FAL made from STG kit. Didn't really like it. DSA rifles I used later were much better, but also much more expensive. I pretty much standardized on AR15 and M15 types...don't get enough training as it is.
That one is PERFECT!!!!
Springmom
Rembrandt
January 25, 2006, 05:59 PM
I think that...for the sake of not turning folks off and lending the idea of the "AmericanTradition"...I'd add a Rifle-Musket or Trapdoor Springfield...a Winchester lever gun...A Springfield '03...a Garand...
and switch the Kalashnikov for an M-16. Maybe the caption:
"What purpose has the rifle served through our history."
Dittos 1911Tuner....the two most popular activities rifles are noted for didn't get mentioned, Hunting and Target (or recreational) Shooting
puffiewon
January 25, 2006, 06:15 PM
I agree with the poster, but to ignorant people, the AK is a street-sweeper made for hunting humans. Maybe put a picture of a different type of rifle for each purpose: bolt action for hunting/defending livestock?
Oleg Volk
January 25, 2006, 06:35 PM
AK is a universal sport-utility rifle. My original version listed more uses, but brevity prevailed.
I'll make more PC variants, too...a nice wood-stocked Garand with black top 06 lurking inside, sullenly awaiting a chance to speak in the directions of an errant JBT stack who came to eminent-domain away my cat :eek:
Henry Bowman
January 25, 2006, 06:47 PM
I agree with the poster, but to ignorant people, the AK is a street-sweeper made for hunting humans. Maybe put a picture of a different type of rifle for each purpose: bolt action for hunting/defending livestock?I think that the true audience for this poster is not an "anti" or non-gun-owning-soccer-mom-fence-sitter. It is the snob hunter, skeet shooter, or benchrest shooter who sees no "use" for ugly EBRs.
For so many, basic home defense and tyrrant control never enters their mind. They live in a nice "safe" neighborhood and are "free" to own and use their $6,000 guns for "sport."
Maxwell
January 25, 2006, 06:51 PM
Pepperspray and tazers are illegal where I'm at.
<Insert image of founding fathers weeping, here.>
the two most popular activities rifles are noted for didn't get mentioned, Hunting and Target (or recreational) Shooting
Theres limited real estate on a poster.
You would need one message to make someone take up the sport of shooting. Something nice and bright, showing smiling people engaged in a healthy outdoors activity. Like how you would avertise biking or sailing.
You need an entirely different poster to get at the 2nd amendment fence sitter.
Too many people think that "upstanding citizens" are unarmed sheep.
That your doing good by your government to sit there and let an assailant take your stuff, beat you up, and molest your family.
Thats not the case.
Being a victem of crime makes us look bad when the statistics roll in. It lowers the property value of your neighborhood and lessens the respect strangers have for you and your area. It can even drive away fresh business (who the hell wants to set up shop in a gang controlled town?).
Owning weapons is a constitutional right and duty. These weapons, properly used and kept, benefit the police and the government by lowering the crime rate and securing borders from the threat of incursion.
They also give them potential backup should something nasty happen in your area. I would recall the north hollywood shootout where officers whent running into civilian stores to suppliment their firepower.
You serve your nation by at least looking after yourself.
Olegs posters do a good job of making people think about why they should keep guns. I think once a person gets past that roadblock and looks into owning a weapon, they will learn a whole lot more about the sport of shooting than a poster can teach.
Dr.Rob
January 25, 2006, 06:52 PM
Because my pistol only shoots so far...
1911Tuner
January 25, 2006, 07:55 PM
The Second Amendment doesn't say that we have the right to bear sporting goods. (It ain't about duck huntin', Chuck!) "Shall NOT be infringed" isn't too hard to understand...
Maxwell...Well said!
Nod goes to Dr.Rob for the most logical, cut-to-the-chase response so far.:cool:
IndianaDean
January 25, 2006, 08:05 PM
I have an SKS, but the only problem is there is nowhere in the city to practice with it other than Don's Guns, and he's a shyster, so I refuse to go there. I can practice handguns whenever I want. I have to drive about an hour to get to a range where I can shoot long arms, so I am not even close to being proficient enough when the rifle to depend on it.
shane justice
January 25, 2006, 08:24 PM
HOw many of us have takne the Oath of Office?
Shane
TallPine
January 25, 2006, 08:32 PM
These weapons, properly used and kept, benefit the police and the government by lowering the crime rate and securing borders from the threat of incursion.
I'm going to argue with you ... :p
I think high crime rates benefit the police and government by providing them with an excuse to expand their powers.:(
If the crime rate fell to near zero, we would have no need of police and government.
Herself
January 25, 2006, 08:34 PM
Nice poster -- really wish we could get one a week run in mass-market print media.
Gosh, Oleg, would you do one with a 2-bore big game rifle, a Solothurn or the U. S. WW II anti-tank rifle? ;) I may have to shoot through...well, just about anything with one of those.
The thing about an AK, and even more an SKS, is they're so very affordable. A gun is just a tool; I don't care who else is using the same model rifle as me, I was happy just to be able to afford one. Yeah, it would be nicer if it wasn't something intended to be used from the back of a tractor, but "nicer" isn't much of a consideration compared to "can buy two for the price of one of anything else!" Plus, I invite you AR owners to throw a handful of sand in the action of your American-designed beauty while I do the same to an SKS. Wanna bet which one works longest afterward? Simonev and Kalishnikov knew dirt.
Last and least, there's plenty of imported ARs, while U.S.-made AKs aren't unknown. It's a complicated world.
--Herself
Maxwell
January 25, 2006, 09:45 PM
I think high crime rates benefit the police and government by providing them with an excuse to expand their powers.
Well see here:
Im a computer tech by trade, and basicly I get paid reguardless of weather the customers PC breaks or not. Difference is when it dosnt break, I get paid to sit on my ass :neener:
That being the case; while I do hope for a limited ammount of breakage to keep myself employed, I also hope what I oversee with run nice and smooth most of the time so I dont have to go deal with it.
yes, its a confused yet charmed life.
I envision it being the same way with cops.
They dont get paid on comission, so question is how many miles through the tall grass youve got to run between paychecks.
For politicians it might be a different story sometimes, but an administration is better served by lower crime rates and more business to brag about at election time.
What needs to be done is to pry them away from the bad reasoning and junk stats that make them believe that civilian owned guns cause crime, and get them back to the true reasons (the drug trade and poverty, for starters).
Yes theres another element of true gun haters that will try to go through the feds or UN... but the more people we can convince to see things our way at the grassroots level, the more likely someone will tell them to stuff it at the international level.
MM
January 25, 2006, 10:02 PM
Now, This one I like right outta the shute. Clean design, excellent execution.
SatCong
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