Desert Eagle .50AE for home defense???


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CowboyUp8
January 26, 2006, 01:55 AM
As of right now I'm packing an .50 Eagle in a pistol safe under my bed. Fortunately, I have yet to use it. But if a situation arose where I would have to take it into action, would this gun be an unwise choice? My only other options as of this moment are a ORIGINAL Colt M1911 from 1918, a S&W .38 sp, and a S&W M500. I am looking into getting a SIG GSR 1911 and decking it out with a M6 light/laser, but until then, is this the best decision? I can handle it quite well, squeezing off all 7 rounds into a paper plate size target in about 4-5 seconds (at around 25 feet). But nevertheless, I am unsure as to whether I am best suited with this as my first line of defense. Can I get some opinions here....?

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pauli
January 26, 2006, 02:08 AM
as long as you can shoot it well and trust its reliability, it's no worse than any other handgun for the role. that still puts it way behind a shotgun or rifle, but that's not what you asked ;)

Moonclip
January 26, 2006, 02:19 AM
If you feel comfortable with it, use it but excessive blast, flash and recoil and penetration compared to you 38spl and 45acp handguns would probably have me using the 1911 with Remington 185 gr or 230 gr jhp in the standard loadings(not Golden Sabre, the standards ones are rounded for reliable feeding in older guns) .

BTW do you handgun hunt? I never met anybody with a S&W 500 and a 50ae DE!

Gixerman1000
January 26, 2006, 02:43 AM
I own a DE mk-XIX in 50ae and IMO, I would just use the 38spl until I got the GSR, if it was an emergency or if it was all I had, sure I would use the DE and I trust that I could get the job with it but it's not an ideal personal / home defense handgun.


I never met anybody with a S&W 500 and a 50ae DE!

50ae
500mag
454 casull
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Moonclip
January 26, 2006, 02:49 AM
Do you handgun hunt then? You know, you are one of the only people on this site that has a collection that might make me jealous!

Gixerman1000
January 26, 2006, 03:25 AM
Do you handgun hunt then? You know, you are one of the only people on this site that has a collection that might make me jealous!

Thank you.:)

I handgun hunt (/ hunt in general) sometimes, over the years I have taken deer with the 50ae, 454, 44, 41, 357, 10mm and 40sw, but I donít really buy a gun to hunt with, I just buy it because I like it and then hunt with it because itís there so why not, does that makes sense lol.

KC&97TA
January 26, 2006, 02:39 PM
I'd be more worried about over penatration ... at close range and inside a home

Oleg Volk
January 26, 2006, 03:24 PM
You could always load it with ratshot :evil:

MICHAEL T
January 26, 2006, 04:02 PM
I'd use the 38spl other way to much inside house If 45 in good shape be even better

WillBrayJr
January 26, 2006, 04:07 PM
There's nothing wrong with using a Desert Eagle for personal defense, thats why the Desert Eagle is chambered for 357mag. 50AE is alittle much;)

ArmedBear
January 26, 2006, 04:26 PM
Just keep some good tactical ear muffs next to it.:D

BTW I hope you don't live in an apartment or condo, or even a housing tract.:p

TMM
January 26, 2006, 04:39 PM
if you have nothing else, it's ok. but since you DO have somthing else, use it. the .38, that is. it's a perfect indoor SD gun.

the .50 is too big, noisy, and the flash will probably temporarily blind you... the only 2 things you have with that for SD is that you can control it and there's intimidation factor (there's somthing about a DE muzzle that is very imposing...)

~TMM

saberstitch
January 26, 2006, 04:53 PM
I would agree with the .38. I have a DE 50 and also a SW 500. I wouldn't want to fire either off indoors without ear protection, much less in the dark. I think the concussion alone would dissable the attacker and you. I also have a 357 DE and have fired it a few times without earmuffs. It wasn't too bad.

RyanM
January 26, 2006, 05:56 PM
Strange that people say a .50 AE is too loud, too flashy, has too much recoil, and overpenetrates, but then they'll probably turn around and recommend a 12 gauge shotgun on some other thread in a couple days.

noresttill
January 26, 2006, 06:08 PM
Strange that people say a .50 AE is too loud, too flashy, has too much recoil, and overpenetrates, but then they'll probably turn around and recommend a 12 gauge shotgun on some other thread in a couple days.

but a 12 gauge shoots a bunch of little things. I guarantee that a 50 AE will penitrate more than 00 buck. I think the shot is the best SD gun.

RyanM
January 26, 2006, 06:34 PM
Actually, buckshot will often penetrate deeper than you'd think. 00 buckshot can plow through 3 interior walls and still be lethal. Maybe even 4, if you're unlucky. 00 shot can penetrate 18" or more of tissue. Especially the reduced-recoil, buffered, harndened and plated stuff, since there's less shot deformation.

middy
January 26, 2006, 07:46 PM
(there's somthing about a DE muzzle that is very imposing...)
You think it could be the half-inch diameter hole in muzzle? ;)

slopemeno
January 26, 2006, 07:46 PM
A .50 Desert Eagle will feel much louder feeling than a 12ga with low recoil buckshot. Whats the peak pressure at the time the shot/bullet leaves the muzzle? The shotgun has to be much lower pressure. Plus the flash will be less for sure. I fired a 12ga, 20" BBl, high base in the dark in fenced area with no hearing protection and it wasnt that bad. The flash was about 6" long x3" wide. I would go with the .38spl.

gunguy05
January 26, 2006, 07:56 PM
I guess if that was all that you had..... But it like (is) taking a cannon to a gun fight.. Why not use the 38. Much easier to maneuver, and the ammo is much cheaper to shoot, assuming that you practice. Just my opinion

Moonclip
January 26, 2006, 08:03 PM
Shotgun is a long gun and is easier to shoot for many than a 50ae and it has a longer barrel so the vlast is not so close to your ears. Actually, I know someone who used to open carry a 44mag DE. G1000, at least you do hunt, I can't use that excuse when I buy yet another gun I really don't need though I recently got my hunting license. Now I guess I will be forced to buy a handgun larger than 44mag though I resisted doing so for years!

S&W620
January 26, 2006, 08:15 PM
First, beautiful guns. Second, a DE 50AE for home protection?? Only as a LAST resort. Overpenetration would be a BIG problem from that gun. Third, beautiful guns!!!!!!!!!

backlash
January 26, 2006, 08:25 PM
I'd be more worried about over penatration ... at close range and inside a home
I was thinking the same thing

dasmi
January 26, 2006, 08:28 PM
If I were you, I'd use the .38. As others have said, the blast, and noise of a .50AE going off indoors must be incredible, to say the least.

Gixerman1000
January 26, 2006, 10:02 PM
beautiful guns.

Thanks :)

noresttill
January 27, 2006, 12:54 AM
I wasn't saying that 00 buck is the best round to use, I was trying to name the most powerful. The DE, while neat, would overpenitrate.

In low light, home invasion situation the shot will not miss (could possibly be a downside too if cramped situation though). But since you have the 38, shoot what you got.

mbartel
January 27, 2006, 08:11 PM
As of right now I'm packing an .50 Eagle in a pistol safe under my bed. Fortunately, I have yet to use it. But if a situation arose where I would have to take it into action, would this gun be an unwise choice?

If your firearm remains in the safe while you are sleeping.....it is a moot point as to whether the DE is an effective SD handgun. By the time you realize that you'll need it.....it will be too late. However, if the DE remains close to your side and within easy reach at night, then Magsafe makes the best SD ammo for it. Their ammo fires a prefragmented projectile at some 2100 fps that will reliably cycle the action. It is not listed on their website, you would have to call them.

MachIVshooter
January 27, 2006, 11:47 PM
Actually, buckshot will often penetrate deeper than you'd think. 00 buckshot can plow through 3 interior walls and still be lethal. Maybe even 4, if you're unlucky. 00 shot can penetrate 18" or more of tissue. Especially the reduced-recoil, buffered, harndened and plated stuff, since there's less shot deformation.

Which is comparable to a standard handgun cartridge with ball ammunition. When you think .50 AE, think heavliy-constructed 325 grain bullet at over 1,500 FPS. 1542, to be exact, is my pet load. While I have not fired it into a house, I would bet that it would completely penetrate a non-brick home(barring furniture/televisions, etc.).

In summary, of the handguns I own (many of them "cannons"), I choose 10mm and .45 ACP for defense. The fireball produced by .50AE, .454, .44 mag, etc. is devastaing on night vision. We have filmed some H-110 .50 AE loads at dusk; that flame is 4 feet in diameter and 6 feet long (not counting the flash that comes out the sides when the piston leaves the gas port).

For those who want to know, the mentioned load is a 325 gr. Speer JHP over 27.5 grains of Accurate #7 and CCI 350 primer. *This load shortens brass life considerably*

Erinyes
January 28, 2006, 04:47 AM
I'm not sure if I'd use a .50AE Desert Eagle for home defence. I wouldn't want to use my father's S&W M29 unless it was loaded with .44 Special. I think I'll stick to my .40S&W BHP. Besides, if I want to massively overpenetrate my target, I've got the Franken-14.

Now a .357mag DE might be good. DE's size would make it a decent platform for it...

Crap! Now I want another gun! :neener:

strambo
January 28, 2006, 06:44 AM
Heh, just turn on the lights and tell the creep your gun says "Desert Eagle, point five oh" on the side. That ought to clear up the their confusion about being in the wrong house!:neener:

Working Man
January 28, 2006, 03:33 PM
Heh, just turn on the lights and tell the creep your gun says "Desert Eagle, point five oh" on the side. That ought to clear up the their confusion about being in the wrong house!:neener:

Does their's say "Replica" on the side? :D

Double Naught Spy
January 28, 2006, 04:19 PM
as long as you can shoot it well and trust its reliability, it's no worse than any other handgun for the role. that still puts it way behind a shotgun or rifle, but that's not what you asked ;)

I believe if you check, the .50 AE out of a Desert Eagle surprasses many rifle calibers in regard to ft/lbs on target. So you have a more powerful platform in a smaller package, but as noted, recoil isn't much fun.

RyanM
January 28, 2006, 05:56 PM
Which is comparable to a standard handgun cartridge with ball ammunition. When you think .50 AE, think heavliy-constructed 325 grain bullet at over 1,500 FPS. 1542, to be exact, is my pet load. While I have not fired it into a house, I would bet that it would completely penetrate a non-brick home(barring furniture/televisions, etc.).

A pet load, sure. I'm not familiar with the operation of the Desert Eagle, but it should be possible to tinker with it enough to get a lighter load to function. For the amount of money those things costs, it "should" be possible, anyway. Maybe a load more along the lines of +P .50 GI. That would cut down on carpet cleaning costs if you ever had to shoot anyone.

Manedwolf
January 28, 2006, 08:19 PM
As of right now I'm packing an .50 Eagle in a pistol safe under my bed. Fortunately, I have yet to use it. But if a situation arose where I would have to take it into action, would this gun be an unwise choice? My only other options as of this moment are a ORIGINAL Colt M1911 from 1918, a S&W .38 sp, and a S&W M500. I am looking into getting a SIG GSR 1911 and decking it out with a M6 light/laser, but until then, is this the best decision? I can handle it quite well, squeezing off all 7 rounds into a paper plate size target in about 4-5 seconds (at around 25 feet). But nevertheless, I am unsure as to whether I am best suited with this as my first line of defense. Can I get some opinions here....?

Just please say you're not an apartment dweller. :D

MadMercS55
January 29, 2006, 01:10 PM
Friend of mine bought a .50AE Desert Eagle the week of his 21st birthday. Got his permit, and we went to the gunshop. I recommended Glocks, Sigs, etc, etc. He was dead set on the Eagle when he saw it. It has some kind of blue-ish titanium coating on it and the action is really slick. Now this is his only pistol. He bough 6 mags, 200rnds of full-power ammo and a nylon shoulder rig. It currently serves as his all-round pistol, and to his credit he packs this thing everyday, with 3 spare mags. I tried on the rig one time and while it does hide well, the thing is friggin HEAVY! We're going to the range later this afternoon, and I'm looking forward to trying it out. I've used one in .357 before, but never .50AE.

possum
January 29, 2006, 01:13 PM
WOW!

MachIVshooter
January 29, 2006, 03:20 PM
A pet load, sure. I'm not familiar with the operation of the Desert Eagle, but it should be possible to tinker with it enough to get a lighter load to function. For the amount of money those things costs, it "should" be possible, anyway. Maybe a load more along the lines of +P .50 GI. That would cut down on carpet cleaning costs if you ever had to shoot anyone.

It will function with loads as light as a 300 grainer at 1,200 FPS. But what fun is that? The .50 AE models are fairly flexible, but the .357 models tend to short cycle with anything less than full power. .44 Mag will work with most decent ammunition.


BTW, they are gas operated with an AR-style rotating bolt. This does negate the use of cast bullets.

BloodyRAzorBlades
January 29, 2006, 11:13 PM
The greatest guns used for self defense in my opionion is either a Smith&Wesson 357 magnum revolver, or a m1911.

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