Okay.. Best 4" 1911 for defense?


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Northslope Nimrod
January 27, 2006, 04:35 PM
I want opinions on the best 4" 1911 for CCW. I am more concerned with reliability than accuracy. I want it accurate but I don't want tolerances so tight that some dirt will jam the weapon.
Requirements:
1. 4" 1911
2. Under $1000.
3. Reliable
4. Good CCW qualities.

Subsequent question: Just for fun....Do they make the model in 9mm?

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Black Majik
January 27, 2006, 04:47 PM
I'd go for the 4.25" Commander size personally. For me they balance better, and the commander size is the shortest I'd go for reliability. Of course, you might find a 1911 with a 4" barrel that works well, but personally the best makers are the ones that use a 4.25" barrel.

And that bring to my suggestion. A S&W 1911Sc commander. Light, powerful, thin, and reliable also. The S&W 1911's now are getting GREAT reviews. Check one out if you can. I'm sure you'd be quite impressed.

S&W 1911Sc commander. Mmm.... :D

1911austin
January 27, 2006, 04:59 PM
S&W 1911Sc commander. Mmm.... :D


I have one. Great gun.

ruger357
January 27, 2006, 05:43 PM
Another vote for the SW1911Sc.

Extremist
January 27, 2006, 05:46 PM
That is it, you need to check out the 1911Sc for carry:

http://www.lenaburgs.net/images/SmithWesson/1911Sc_1st640.jpg

http://www.lenaburgs.net/images/SmithWesson/1911Sc_2nd640.jpg

James :D

roo_ster
January 27, 2006, 06:29 PM
I own the original all-steel, gov't model sized SW1911 & have nothing but praise.

I have handled & drooled over (& finally shot!) a SW1911Sc.

If I had the money, that SW1911Sc would be mine...all mine.

Northslope Nimrod
January 27, 2006, 07:02 PM
Yes....4.24 commander size. That is really what I'm after. Atleast 4" but less than 5".

dairycreek
January 27, 2006, 07:11 PM
+1 S&W 1911SC

waterhouse
January 27, 2006, 07:13 PM
If i were buying a new gun, the Smith would be pretty high on the list.

If you don't mind used I like the series I kimbers. I've got a pro elite that has had a ton of rounds through it and no problems. It is 4" though, not 4.25".

rocky
January 27, 2006, 07:15 PM
Yes....4.24 commander size. That is really what I'm after. Atleast 4" but less than 5".
I don't understand why 1/2" would make much diffrence, other than maybe balance. I can shoot well with my 4" Champion from SA. Seems any of the better 1911 manufacturers would suit your needs, depending on what exactly you want in a gun.

The Reverend
January 27, 2006, 07:36 PM
Also take a look at the Colt 1991 Commander.

Shootcraps
January 27, 2006, 07:49 PM
Colt CCO. Has all the features you're looking for. 'nuff said. :evil:

Jack19
January 27, 2006, 10:11 PM
Okay so it's not a 1911, but the HK USP Compact has everything you're looking for aside from not being a 1911. :D

Semi-auto............................Yes
.45......................................Yes
Can be carried in Condition 1....Yes
Reliable................................Yes
Accurate..............................Yes (Amazingly so.)
Under $1000..........................Yes
Good CCW Qualities................Yes
Commander size.....................Yes
1911....................................No

http://www.hkpro.com/usp45c.jpg

If it absolutely has to be a 1911....go with the S&W. Everything I've heard and read says they are making a quality product.

My personal track record with new in the box 1911s from Colt, Kimber, Springfield, etc. is abysmal. If the examples I received from each of these manufacturers is typical for 1911s, I have no idea what the fuss is all about.

If you want an out of the box reliable .45, check out the HK.

And, yes, it comes in 9mm.

Old Dog
January 28, 2006, 02:21 AM
Springfield Armory Champion or LW Champion.
A bit over 4" ... Colt's Combat or LW Commander.
Or even a Kimber Pro Carry or Pro Tactical.

shield20
January 28, 2006, 03:19 AM
Colt XSE Commander or SW1911Sc.

MICHAEL T
January 28, 2006, 12:01 PM
Their can be only one. Thats COLT Best of the bunch any of the Commander models . Now repeat after me COLT! COLT! COLT!

steveracer
January 28, 2006, 01:03 PM
All steel, 4" and reliable.
Great guns! Avoid the lightweight, as they aren't really any fun to shoot.

Pilot
January 28, 2006, 01:07 PM
Avoid the lightweight, as they aren't really any fun to shoot.

I've shot my friend's Colt Lightweight Commander XSE and it was very pleasant to shoot. Accurate too!

ravencon
January 28, 2006, 01:26 PM
S&W 1911 Sc

Colts? Used? No thanks, unless the seller has a generous returns policy. At various times Colt has produced some less than reliable 1911s. I once aquired what turned out to be a Colt Commander Jam-o-matic. Now it is someone else's problem.

Gunz
January 28, 2006, 01:29 PM
I paid $650 for a blued NRM Colt Commander about 2 weeks ago, new. Plain button hole hammer, and short grip safety (no duckbill).

I really like it. Fit and finish are excellent. The lovely wood grips accent the blued gun. The Stainless Commander was $839, and the Gvt size blued was $769.

I was surprised at how much of a difference in draw the reduction of 0.75 inches in the slide. It seems faster.

I have shot ball and JHP through the gun. I usually have 230gr ball in it. I have one mage of 200+P EFMJ and one with 230gr Golden Saber. I keep mine cleaned and lubed, and have not had any problems at all.

Under 10 yds, I get 2-3 inch groups with rapid fire point-and-shoot practice.

These days, under $1000 gets a lot of gun.

I also own a Kimber Compact, Springfield Compact (discontinued 1992 model), Para Companion 7.45, LW Officer's, and an ORM Commander from the Custom Shop Colt.

I like the 4.25 inches of slide and full grip.
You can spend $2000 on a Nighthawk, Brown, or Wilson. I am not sure if regular people can tell the difference in shooting accuracy with the high-end guns.

timn
January 28, 2006, 02:10 PM
I carry two diifernet .45s, depending on the circumstance. One is the Kimber Pro-Carry II stainless. It's a tack driver at 15 yards and carries well.
My truck gun is a Taurus PT145 Pro. I love this little gun. Far more accurate than you would suspect and hold 11 rounds. The only failures I've ever had with it is, when I would limp wrist the shot it didn't cycle fully. That's pretty common in all the little ones.
My son has the Spriger Champion. It's a very nice shooter, too.

progunner1957
January 28, 2006, 02:52 PM
My vote is for the Colt Combat Commander XSE or the Springfield Armory Champion. I had a Combat Commander XSE which I traded to a friend - for a Ruger #1 in .375 H&H. I love the Ruger, but miss the Commander.

I presently have a Springfield loaded Champion in stainless and am quite happy with it. The workmanship is excellent, but I have not had a chance to shoot it yet so I can't say about accuracy.

Either one of these guns you'll find are keepers and both go for around $700 American.

dogbaloo
January 28, 2006, 03:00 PM
SA Champion.

lycanthrope
January 28, 2006, 04:46 PM
Kimber CDP.

Aluminum frame, front strap checkering, night sights and a melt job. Hard to find a 1911 with more good carrry options than that.

http://www.gunblast.com/Kimber_ProCDPII.htm

Shootcraps
January 28, 2006, 04:56 PM
Actually, I feel the Commander is not a good ccw package unless you bobtail it. Full size frame and shortened barrel just equals more muzzle flip.

That's why I like the CCO. Best of both worlds.

Redhat
January 28, 2006, 05:15 PM
You may want to check here

Detonics

http://www.detonicsusa.com/

Old Dog
January 28, 2006, 07:32 PM
Then again, Shootcraps, I have a custom Colt's NCO -- Commander frame and 3.5 inch Officer's ACP slide -- and don't have a problem with too much muzzle flip ... (But I do think the CCO is an excellent platform).

bigmike45
January 28, 2006, 08:29 PM
Under $1000.00 I can highly recommend a Springfield Champion. This is my second one and both have been really great shooters that are a real pleasure to carry.
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=34534&d=1138205611

For another take on the question. I also carry my over $1000.00 4" gun....$1600.00 new in box to be exact. The Wilson CQB Compact is one fine specimen of a gun and man what a shooter. The difference is the shorter grip. It is still comfortable and easy to shoot even with that shortened grip.
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=30004&d=1129474335

MassMan
January 28, 2006, 11:59 PM
One more to consider is the Para Companion series. I have the C7.45 LDA and it is accurate, reliable, and easy to conceal.

tjtucker
January 29, 2006, 02:30 AM
Not a 1911 but close enough Smith & Wesson 945 in the short version. It's a great shooter and will shoot with the custom 1911s. You can pick them up for under 1000.00.
TJ

cxm
January 29, 2006, 01:52 PM
The S&W SC1911 wins hands down.

Combat carry readyout of the box... good trigger, accurate, lots of features and reasonably priced.

FWIW

Chuck

I want opinions on the best 4" 1911 for CCW. I am more concerned with reliability than accuracy. I want it accurate but I don't want tolerances so tight that some dirt will jam the weapon.
Requirements:
1. 4" 1911
2. Under $1000.
3. Reliable
4. Good CCW qualities.

Subsequent question: Just for fun....Do they make the model in 9mm?

IndianaDean
January 29, 2006, 09:50 PM
MY SW1911PD Commander has been 100% reliable and shoots extremely accurate at 7 yards. It did just as well as my full size 1911s over the weekend, and is light weight for carry. A couple of people watched me shooting it and the full sized PD and asked me if I were shooting Kimbers. When I told them S&W, they hadn't heard they were making 1911s.

tegemu
January 30, 2006, 12:23 PM
It's interesting, Shootcraps' comment was that he didn't think that a Commander size wasn't feasible unless it's bobtailed. I was going to suggest the Dan Wesson Commander Bobtail. A beautiful, Stainless 1911 that comes Bobtailed and incorporates many features that are often added aftermarket. It's in the $800 range, plus or minus. I have one and love it, came across it when I was considering going to the time, trouble and expense of Bobtailing a Commander sized 1911. It conceals better than my Ultra Carry II in an IWB holster. The UC II is great for pocket carry. Take a good look at the Dan Wesson Commander Bobtail, (CBOB).

Shootcraps
January 30, 2006, 10:22 PM
Tegemu - I didn't say it wasn't feasible, I said it's not the best because you still have to conceal that full size grip. ;)

I also have a DW CBOB. :D

tegemu
January 30, 2006, 11:13 PM
My apologies Shootcraps, that was my interpretation.

Shootcraps
January 30, 2006, 11:18 PM
My apologies Shootcraps, that was my interpretation.


No problem. You have good taste in guns. :cool:

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