Sorry: LLAMA Lovers Only!


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Mad Magyar
January 27, 2006, 08:20 PM
If any of you see this 1977 "Big Spaniard" at a Gunshow, pawnshop, etc..
BUY IT! They can be found for little more than $200. This pistol fires all loads w/o a "hiccup".:p
I've written much about this model: Just to refresh your memory:
It comes "throated", cartridge indicator, enlarged ejection port: All standard.
You won't find a better quality finish than this European version of the 1911.
Too many features to list....If you had a Llama that failed you in the past: this will cure your past maladies...;)
http://i1.tinypic.com/mn2kgk.jpg
On the Range: Using Super Match 185gr.FJM
http://i1.tinypic.com/mn2l2f.jpg

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Stephen A. Camp
January 27, 2006, 09:39 PM
Though I'm sure that no ill will was intended, and the off color comment was very mild compared to some, it is against the rules and we should stay on topic, thus one post was deleted.

Thanks in advance.

Crosshair
January 28, 2006, 01:09 AM
I have a LLama on the way to my local FFL, I hope it shoots as well as you say.:)

Snowdog
January 28, 2006, 02:35 AM
The trick with Llama is to find one that works.

I've only owned one Llama, a commander-size Minimax. Besides the somewhat gritty trigger, I was quite happy with mine as it would feed anything you could fit in the magazine. Though it didn't stack up well against my Kimber or RIA 1911A1 as far as accuracy was concerned, it was well within the realm of "combat accuracy" if it were to be used for that purpose.

The primary reason I sold mine (for 100% what I paid for it) was its tendency to forcefully toss brass towards the shooter's forehead, which I later found to be common with this particular model. Rather than monkey with mine, I sold it to a friend who was willing to invest the time to fix it.

If you've found one that works, consider yourself fortunate to have found such a deal. Enjoy! ;)

GunnySkox
January 28, 2006, 02:43 AM
Magyar: Dadgum, for a (purported) ~200 dollar pistol, that is a fine lookin' piece of machinery. What's the story with the ventilated-rib-lookin' thing, how does the frontsight attach?

~GnSx

Mad Magyar
January 28, 2006, 08:35 AM
GnSx, appreciate your comments....As far as the sights, the rear is adjustable, but the front sight appears to be tapped in tightly into the ventilated rib, kind of a useless contraption, but looks nice.
Honestly, I can not make this pistol jam...I've tried all types of .45 ammo, and it keeps popping them off. Of course, cleanliness & lube, I'm a fanatic about; perhaps that has a little to do with it...
It might be difficult by this picture, but the barrel protrudes about an 1/8th inch past the bushing...A Llama peculiarity...
P.S. Missed the deleted post; hope it was in good taste...;)

fisherman66
January 28, 2006, 12:21 PM
P.S. Missed the deleted post; hope it was in good taste...


It was only in poor taste if you are a Purvian Llama hearder with a penchant for...nevermind.

Nice looking gun btw. Glad it's of high quality.

000Buck
January 28, 2006, 05:10 PM
Ive got a 9mm Llama that looks just like that, minus the ribs on the slide. It is very accurate and easy to shoot well.

1911Tuner
January 28, 2006, 06:05 PM
Years ago, I had a fullsized Llama in .38 Super. The gun ate Silvertip hollowpoints and never gave missed a beat. Colt magazines worked just as well as the OEM mag, and the gun was actually pretty accurate for one of the older Supers that headspaced on the rim. I've seen many that weren't very good though, and the biggest issue of that era was soft steel. My Super showed signs of
battering and peening within a couple thousand rounds. Never failed to function and didn't break anything...but it was a matter of time until something let go...so I retired it. Later gave it to an old gent who wanted a house gun, strictly for protection. Ran into his son a few years after his father passed. He had the gun...and it still worked fine.

Manedwolf
January 28, 2006, 07:07 PM
I'd thought the major objection to the Llamas wasn't the accuracy, but weakness in the metallurgy or somesuch?

thorazine
January 29, 2006, 03:58 PM
PIC REQUEST

Anyone have one with a Llama next to a Llama (the four legged kind)?


I just found this one...

Baby Llama,

http://www.utahvalleyllamas.com/images/chris%20with%20baby%20llama.jpg

glockkeeper
January 29, 2006, 04:34 PM
HI, I started a thread a little while ago and asked about a mini max sub compact.Has anyone used one for more than 1000 rounds and if so how did it work? I was going to get one to leave in my truck for when I can't carry my G19. Also what kind of ammo would feed well?

Walt Sherrill
January 29, 2006, 06:21 PM
With regard to the prior question -- newer llama (90s, etc.) seem to be a real hit/miss proposition, with many have poor quality control issues.

I have an older one that looks a lot like the one in the picture in the first message. It was imported by Stoeger and came with a fully ramped barrel -- in 9mm.

It shoots well.

When we first go it, I had my gunsmith do a trigger job, and he found that one of the hammer hooks was broken. He tried replacing the hammer with a stock 1911 hammer, but the stock hammer/sear geometry was different and the new hammer was incompatible. So he upgraded to an Ed Brown sear and a Chip McCormick hammer -- [or was it the other way around?. Its a good shooting gun.

My only problem is finding mags. Llama 9mm 1911 mags don't seem to exist. I had one factory mag and have tweaked a couple of Colt 9mm 1911 mags, which work, but not a smoothly as the llama mags.

This particular gun, made in the late 70's or early 80's, seems to be well made (and of as good steel -- except for a hammer hook?). A very heavy gun with minimal recoil.

Mine had the same grips as the one above, when I bought it. The Pachmayrs are made specifically for the Llama.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y87/WalterRSherrill/CZs/Llama9mmLeft.jpg

Mad Magyar
January 29, 2006, 08:21 PM
Walt, by chance you recall where your Pac grips were ordered from? I found over a 100 Pachmayrs on Ebay, but nothing for a Llama..
Thanks...

Walt Sherrill
January 29, 2006, 10:17 PM
Sorry. You're out of luck.

They were hanging in the display at a local gunshop. The only set, I think. (I will check the next time I go, which MAY be tomorrow.) They had been there for YEARS, and they were glad to be rid of them.

355sigfan
January 30, 2006, 03:53 AM
The only two llamas I shot were lemons. One was a 9mm and the other a 45 acp. Neither would feed JHP's. The 9mm worked somewhat with ball.
Pat

Moonclip
January 30, 2006, 06:27 PM
I also have the Llama 9mm and magazine can be a pain sometimes. I have never seen Pachmayrs for one before. BTW, Llama means flame in Spanish, if you look at the logo, it has a flame or a torch in it, not a llama animal!

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