Which 7 guns from before 1950?


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Dionysusigma
January 28, 2006, 02:12 AM
Well, I've been wondering about this for a while now--is it just me, or has everything gun-related that people tote as "the next Big Thing" really been around since the Korean War? Compact pistols and scandium-aluminum frames and polymer aside, I don't really think there is nothing much new. People introduced (IMO) silly calibers like the Short and Super Short Magnums, made minor modifications like evolving the P.38 into the PPK and eventually the Beretta 92FS, and unsuccessfully trying to modify designs that weren't really broken to begin with (such as Para Ordnance's LDA system or everyone's skeletonized 1911 triggers/hammers).

So, my question is this--if you were limited to seven guns, not more than $1100 each, and were invented and in use before 1950, which would you have? Not heavily restricting criteria, I believe... but what "old technology" do you think would hold a candle to today's post-modern world? These five would have to cover all your bases--home defense, hunting, concealed carry, competition, plinking, teaching new shooters, etc. They wouldn't necessarily have to be made prior to 1950, but must be in appropriate specification (new-production Springfield M1 Garands in either .30-06 or .308 okay, as are Auto Ordnance 16" bbl Thompsons, etc.). NFA laws must be followed, so a full-auto, 8" bbl Sten or a true PPsH might not be feasible.

Think of it as kinda like CAS, but guns from any country are allowed, and up to 1950. :)

Mine:
Springfield 1911A1 GI .45 ACP
k.98 Mauser, 7.92x57mm
AK variant, park'd with wood funiture, 7.62x39mm
Winchester 1897, 12ga
Colt 1903 Pocket, .32 ACP
Kahr M1 Carbine, .30 Carb
Whatever .22lr SA pistol existed at the time...

What about y'all?

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hso
January 28, 2006, 02:41 AM
The Win '97 is a hand biter. Now the Model 12 is it's sweeter natured sister and my preference.

Garand

BHP

Swede Mauser over the K98, but why waste time with milsurps when there are lots of 1950 options for a fine mauser action sporter in a reasonable caliber to be built by a competent gunsmith. Heck, for $1,100 you could get a nearly perfect custom bolt gun built in any caliber you want.

Here's the difficult part. It's 1950 and you can still buy machine guns without having to sell a kidney (not that they're any good for anything but pie in 1950 yet) so what do you get? Thompson? M2? Grease Gun? Sten? AK? Browning 50 cal. Nawww. Madsen M50, the finest subgun available.

Erinyes
January 28, 2006, 03:16 AM
Hmm, interesting question, but I've always been partial to older designs.

Browning High Power (CCW/Home defence)
Springfield M1903A3 (Hunting)
Semi-auto AK47 clone (Evil Rifle)
Mosin Nagant 91/30 (Truck gun)
M1 Carbine ('Cause you always need a carbine)
Winchester 97 (Home defence)
M1 Garand (I just want one)

Wags
January 28, 2006, 03:57 AM
Madsen M50, the finest subgun available.


If so why did they get the reputation as a banana gun? Just curious.

slopemeno
January 28, 2006, 05:04 AM
Stevens 520-30 pump shotgun.

axeman_g
January 28, 2006, 05:28 AM
I am taking this a pre 50s gun purchased today.

Browning High Power
Colt 1911
Ruger Mark 1 .22
Winchester Model 12
M1 Garand
Winchester 101
Smith and Wesson M19

Runners up:
Ithaca M37
Springfiled 1903a
Win 94
Browning Superposed

All are still very relevant today

lawson
January 28, 2006, 05:28 AM
M1 Carbine
M1 Garand
Colt Single Action Army
Colt Detective Special
Winchester 1912 (got that one covered :D)
Savage 99 (.250 Savage)
Springfield 1903

50caliber123
January 28, 2006, 08:16 AM
1. M1 Garand
2. M1 Carbine
3. Enfield #5 mk1
4. Swiss K31
5. Kar98k
6. AK47 (early model, milled reciever, BATF legal semi-auto only)
7. SKS

jtward01
January 28, 2006, 08:41 AM
Colt Commander - .45acp
Colt .22 (pre-Woodsman) pistol - .22LR
Remington pump rifle (don't recall the model) - .22LR
Winchester Model 12 shotgun - 20 ga.
Winchester Model 1894 - .30-30 cal.
Winchester M1 carbine - .30 cal.
Remington Model 70 w/scope - .30-06 cal.

Onmilo
January 28, 2006, 09:42 AM
Commercial Mauser Sporter in 9X57
Winchester Model 12 12 bore,28" modified
Winchester Model 63 .22 autoloader
Browning Hi-Power
Walther PP in .22 L.R.

griz
January 28, 2006, 10:03 AM
CAS is my game so four of my picks are already made.

1&2 Colt SAA, either 44 special or 45 Colt
3 1897 Winchester
4 1873 Winchester, probably 45 but the one I have in 357 is sure nice.

The other three are for hunting, defence, and general plinking.

5. Winchester model 70. If the 308 was post 1950, make it 7 X 57
6. S&W in 357 mag, I guess that was before model numbers but I don't know what they called it.
7. Winchester 52 to have a nice 22.

Sure are a lot of Winchester there, I will miss them:(

Jim Watson
January 28, 2006, 10:03 AM
I am thinking of real deal pre 1950 guns, as available new, in the era, not second hand, not watered down MIMed mutant descendants or worn out Slobbovian surplus, to be used for my present applications.

Colt National Match .45 - IDPA
High Standard G-E .22 - practice
Colt Detective Special .38 - CCW
Winchester M70 Target .30-06 - Long Range F-class match
Winchester M75 Sporter .22 - Rimfire Sporter match
Browning Superposed 12 ga - skeet
Remington M31 TC 12 ga. - trap

Of course, I REALLY need four more guns to shoot CAS and fill out my schedule.
Colt SAA .44 Russian and S&W Special (pair)
Winchester '73 .44 WCF
Fox Sterlingworth 12 ga

1911Tuner
January 28, 2006, 10:06 AM
A WW1 or WW2-era 1911/1911A1 would do...as I sometimes carry a stock 1918 Colt, a 1944 Remington Rand, and a rebuilt 1943 Colt...but not all at the same time, of course.

A '94 Winchester/30-30 is about as good as it gets for a general-purpose, go anywhere carbine. I like the M-77 Ruger Ultralight/RSI bolt-action carbines in .308 caliber too. Almost pure Mauser, it should qualify by default.

M1 Garand is another hard-to-beat rifle for a personal hard-duty weapon,
with the "03-A3 Springfield running second.

Not at all uncomfortable with a short, double shotgun...preferably with exposed hammers. Much prefer the Winchesters M-97 and M-12. (Never hand a '97 try to eat my hand, though some do have that issue.)

Smith & Wesson DA revolvers...basically the same design as the Hand-Ejector
Model which predates 1950 by quite a while. Partial to the Model 58 M&P for the boonies, but can live with a M-13 in 4-inch/square butt or 3-inch/round butt for a lighter carry package in town. The latter is my personal favorite street revolver, and I sometimes carry one.

Which five to have and to hold forever with no trades allowed?

The '43 Colt 11-A1...The Winchester '94 carbine...The Coach gun...The M-13 round butt Smith...and a .22 pump or lever-action from an early era...Not partial to brand or model, but I kinda like the old Marlin M-39 with the octagon barrel.

jacobtowne
January 28, 2006, 12:05 PM
S&W Military & Police - not that ugly plastic pistol, but the real M&P revolver in .38 Special, one of the best balanced handgun designs ever.
JT

Brother in Arms
January 28, 2006, 12:36 PM
Rifles
M1 Garand.30-06 (.308 not available till 1952)
AG-42 Ljungman 6.5x55mm




Pistols
C96 mauser 7.62x53mm
1903 Colt pocket model .380
Merwin Hubert .44-40




Shotguns
1901 winchester shotgun 10 or 12 gauge
Ithaca Model 37 12 gauge

There are many more but that is what I had in my mind as of today, its also true what another poster said about NFA items. This is Pre-68. the question really should be what wouldn't you buy.

Brother in Arms

Vern Humphrey
January 28, 2006, 01:02 PM
Military weapons:
M1903A3 Springfield
M1922 Springfield (.22 Long Rifle)
M1 Garand
M1911A1 .45 automatic.
M12 Winchester trench gun

Shotguns:
M12 Winchester Pump
LC Smith Double
Lefever Double
Parker Double

Rifles:
Model 70 Winchester in:
.22 Hornet
.30-06
.375 H & H
Model 52 Winchester sporter .22
Model 94 Winchester in .30-30
Model 99 Savage in .300 Savage

Handguns:
Colt Shooting Master in .45 Colt
Colt Woodsman (.22 Long Rifle)
Colt M357 in .357
Colt Detective Special in .38 Special

Stiletto Null
January 28, 2006, 01:21 PM
Browning 1911A1
Thompson SMG

Browning 1935
SUOMI SMG

Garand
Swedish Mauser
SKS

kentucky_smith
January 28, 2006, 01:31 PM
Remington Sportsman or 11. Was Browning selling the humpback then? Never liked pumps.

M70 Winchester 30/06. Add a Weaver k4 scope.

Colt 1911a1

Stevens 311

M1 Garand

K98 Mauser

Winchester 52

4v50 Gary
January 28, 2006, 01:37 PM
Winchester Model 70 in 30-06.
Winchester Model 52
Ithaca 37
Mauser Schnellfeuer Broomhandle with shoulder stock holster
Colt 1911A1
Flintlock rifle (you could get an old timey one cheap back in the '50s)
S&W M19 Revolver

Brian Williams
January 28, 2006, 02:35 PM
Colt 1911A1 pre-war
Ithaca 37
Marlin 39m
Marlin 1894 in 32-20
S&W 1905 4th change in 38 spec
1914 navy model Luger
S&W 22lr hand ejector

1911Tuner
January 28, 2006, 02:43 PM
Oh! I get two more?

Okay...A Sharps carbine (45-70) cavalry model, and an M-2 Browning...:D

STAGE 2
January 28, 2006, 02:48 PM
1. 1911A1
2. Colt pocket .32
3. Springfield 1903A4
4. Garand
5. M1 Carbine
6. Thompson
7. any early winny boomstick

runner up
8. BAR

honorable mention
9. BHP

Michael Zeleny
January 28, 2006, 03:25 PM
1. SIG P210 (http://larvatus.livejournal.com/33732.html) in 9x19mm, 7.65x21mm, ans .22 l.r.
2. S&W .357 Registered Magnum
3. Hämmerli-Walther-Olympia .22 l.r.
4. Colt Monitor in 30.06
5. Swiss ZfK31/42 in 7.5x55
6. Winchester M12 12 gauge, 30" full, 28" modified, 20" cylinder choke barrels
7. Thompson M1928 in .45 ACP

mohican
February 10, 2006, 01:40 PM
Garand
1911 pistol
Winchester 1895 in .405
'98 mauser
any of the buffalo Sharps
1873 Colt SAA in 44-40
1873 Win in 44-40 to match

f4t9r
February 10, 2006, 01:49 PM
M1 Garand
1911 Colt 45
colt 38 super
AK
Browning Hi-Power
Thompson

farscott
February 10, 2006, 01:52 PM
My seven:

1) S&W K-22 Masterpiece with six-inch barrel

2) S&W .357 Magnum with five-inch barrel

3) Colt Government Model in .45 ACP

4) Ithaca M37 shotgun in 12-gauge choked MOD

5) Browning Superposed in 20-gauge with twenty-eight inch barrels, choked IC/MOD

6) Winchester Model 70 in .30-06

7) Winchester Model 52 in .22 LR

shell70634
February 10, 2006, 02:05 PM
03A3
1911
lever gun in 30-30
22 auto pistol
12 ga sxs
rem 700 in 30-06
any rem 22 rimfire bolt action

poppy
February 10, 2006, 02:14 PM
Interesting question. I think I have about everything covered in my current collection, except maybe for competition.

H&R (I think) 12 ga. single shot shotgun. Inherited from my Dad.
Winchester 94 lever action 30-30
M1 Garand
1911A1
Browning Hi Power
Colt Pocket 25ACP
Ruger MKII

poppy

Azrael256
February 10, 2006, 02:23 PM
Dionysusigma, in case you're making a shopping list... My birthday was yesterday, you know :)

M1911A1
M2
AK-47 (A real one. Not the AKM or MAK-90)
I love my K31, but I think an '03A3 is more practical.
Ithaca '37
Webley Mk. IV
SMLE

Vern Humphrey
February 10, 2006, 02:36 PM
I forgot to add my Colt Officer's Model Target (.22 long rifle) to my list. Must be Old Timer's Disease setting in.;)

Cosmoline
February 10, 2006, 02:46 PM
Mosin-Nagant M-91, pref. Finnish surplus
Commercial Mauser 98
Colt Police Positive Special
Colt Detective Special
Single barrel tip-up 12 ga.
Walther PP
Winchester '94 in .30-30

HankB
February 10, 2006, 03:04 PM
Only 7? Bummer . . .

Assuming it actually is 1950 for the moment, and I'm not going to buy a large caliber express DB rifle or jump through the hoops to purchase a machine gun, I could make do with the following:

Winchester M70 in .30/06 to hunt all thin-skinned, non-dangerous game worldwide.

Winchester M70 in .375 H&H to hunt everything else

Winchester M52 Sporter because everyone needs a .22 rifle

S&W Pre-27 .357 Mag, 5" barrel a finer home defense gun you'll never find

Browning Superposed in 12 ga for both bird hunting & shotgun games

M1 Garand Patton's "greatest single battle implement" deserves a place in every home

S&W M&P snubbie Yesteryear's concealed carry choice . . .

I considered the state of the art in ammo circa 1950 too, as well as the pistolsmith's art, in generating this list.

Dr.Rob
February 10, 2006, 04:05 PM
If I adjusted $7700 in '50s firearms to 1920's dollars I could still have a BAR, and enough left over for a Colt Government Model.

Realistically? It would be Colt handguns (Gov't model, New Service in .45) and a decent long arm capable of taking big game... model 70 Winchester would be fine .375 will kill anything I'd care to hunt. A Browning Auto -5 could fill the shotgun role. A Colt DS would be handy, or a Colt 1903 pocket model .32. I'd keep a Marlin 39A as my .22.

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