Wolf ammo in a Glock?


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R.H. Lee
January 28, 2006, 03:17 PM
Yes/no/maybe? I picked up a hardly/barely/almost new G21 (.45acp) yesterday and went to the range. Long story short-I love this thing! Trigger has some travel and is a little mushy, but it's always the same. Accuracy for me was very good; I kept popping the metal plates @ 20yds as easily as with my 1911. The pistol worked flawlessly with everything I fed it including hp's. I'm already thinking about a G17 or 19.

Anyway, I'm tired of chasing brass. I'm probably not going to reload for this in the near future. Wolf is cheap. Anybody use it in a GlocK?

ps sorry if this is a redux. I searched "glock+wolf" and came up with either/or but not both.

Thanks! :)

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Winzeler
January 28, 2006, 04:37 PM
I bought a box of .40S&W and shot it in my H&K USP a while back and after the second one split the casing on the long axis, wedging it in the chamber to the point of having to jam it out with a rod, I decided to stay away from steel casings for good in autoloaders. Sellior & Bellot (http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0012661210837a&type=product&cmCat=search&returnString=_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1&hasJS=true&_D%3AhasJS=+&%2Fcabelas%2Fcommerce%2FCabelasCatalogNumberFinder.giftCertificateURL=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Ftemplates%2Fgiftcertificate%2Fgiftcertificate.jsp%3Fid%3D0005586990011a%26podId%3D0005586%26catalogCode%3DIB%26navAction%3Djump%26indexId%3D&_D%3A%2Fcabelas%2Fcommerce%2FCabelasCatalogNumberFinder.giftCertificateURL=+&QueryText=sellior&_DARGS=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Fcommon%2Fsearch%2Fsearch-box.jsp.form21&Go.x=0&Go.y=0&N=4887&Ntk=Products&Ntx=mode+matchall&Nty=1&Ntt=sellior&noImage=0&returnPage=search-results1.jsp) is a much better option for someone looking for cheap. I get a 50rd. box of .40S&W for $7.99 from Cabela's (in store) and a box of .357SIG for $11.99. That's good enough for me.

TrafficMan
January 28, 2006, 04:57 PM
been told it's hard on extractors.

denfoote
January 28, 2006, 05:22 PM
My problem with Wolf, besides that it stank when you shot it (Lordy Jesus, help my poor nose, that stuff smelled BAD!!), was the lacquer coating that they put on the steel cases. The same gummed up my chamber something awful!! I don't remember any extraction problems that weren't attributable to that God awful coating!! :banghead: :cuss:


I understand they have started coating cases with polymer. I hope it's a high temperature plastic that won't melt in the chamber!!! :eek:
I already don't even want to begin to think about that one!!! ;)

The-Fly
January 28, 2006, 05:36 PM
i've shot one box of wolf 9mm polymer (the laquer stuff is pretty much all gone except for a few places that havent sold it off) though my G17, and it shot fine. Sure it smells a bit odd, and its fairly dirty, but you DO clean your gun after shooting it, right ? ;)

Jubei
January 28, 2006, 06:24 PM
I buy Wolf 9mm by the case when it's available near me, all through a G17. Several thousand rounds later and not a hitch.

I guess it's my own kind of torture test.

Jubei

Seven High
January 29, 2006, 12:50 PM
I attempted to shoot Wolf thru my Glock 22. I had numerous failure to fire problems due to light firing pin strikes. I would recommend that you buy one box of Wolf and see how it functions. I will not buy any more Wolf

MadMercS55
January 29, 2006, 01:03 PM
I put about 350rnds through a Glock 17 on one occasion. While it was cheap and worked fine, it stunk fierce and gunked up the weapon pretty good, making cleaning quite a chore. Some people at my range have had major problems with it in 1911's, Glocks, and SIGs, while others report no issues. I have used it extensively in AK's and SKS's over the years without any issues aside from cleaning. Overall I'm not fond of steel cases due to possible wear issues with the extractors on some weapons. A fellow at my gun club used it weekly in his AR-15 and replaced 2 extractors due to claw damage. I used to buy whatever was "cheap" at the local store, usually being wold, silver bear, or on occasion S&B. These days I'd go for S&B if at all possible rather than wolf.

possum
January 29, 2006, 01:10 PM
I would say no because for a little more money or sometimes the same price you can get winchester, sellior and bellot, blazer brass cased and all that is reloadable and brass which would be easier on your pistol. and even if you don't reload, then someone will buy your brass. What i do is send my brass to my buddy and he reloads a portion for me. i am his brass supplier and he hooks me up with ammo. I do have reloading equipment but military housing is quite small and I don't have the room to have my equipment set up! A rule I always go by is, if it is an expensive pistol or rifle, it gets good clean brass cased ammo.

model 649
January 29, 2006, 01:25 PM
Here's one from last year. .40S&W Wolf+Glock=broken gun, hurt hand. There was quite the storm over this on the forum back then and I hope we don't revisit it.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=139656

Josh

svtruth
January 29, 2006, 01:36 PM
in my Para Ordnance 13-.45
Does not seem very dirty, but does have a unique bouquet.
Good luck.

BsChoy
January 29, 2006, 01:41 PM
Wolf was the only round I could count on to jam my G36....always...anything thing else...I mean anything ran without a jam

6inch
January 29, 2006, 04:06 PM
I've not had a problem with Wolf but the only sure way to tell if your handgun will like it is to try for yourself. :)

TrafficMan
January 29, 2006, 04:34 PM
I just bought a box of 30-30 wolf For my Winchester 94. The ammo is brass cased and appears to be of decent quality. I actually kind of kicked myself after buying it, but the price was right.

I have yet to try any Wolf Ammo in my handguns...But shoot it exclusively in my SKS....and yes, from my experience it stinks (like ammonia) and is very dirty.

3rdpig
January 29, 2006, 05:58 PM
Remember, Wolf isn't an ammo manufacturer, they're an importer. In the past the Russian steel cased ammo they've imported has been laquer coated, under powered and very dirty. The newer Wolf Russian imports are polymer coated (no more laquer mess), loaded to a higher velocity and no where near as dirty, but still dirtier than some other ammo that's available. It's still steel cased, but it's a soft steel, and if it wears an extractor out, compare the cost of savings shooting Wolf over say, 10,000 rounds with the cost of a new extractor. Usually by this time you'll have saved enough to buy a new gun.

Wolf also imports brass cased ammo from other suppliers, this is high quality ammo, usually not made in Russia, but other Eastern European countries.

I just finished shooting 1000 rounds of the new polymer Wolf .223 in one of my AR's. It's still underpowerd but I got no failures of any kind, and it's still dirty, althouth not as bad and a few good blasts with gun scrubber took it all off. I'm saving about $80 per 1000 rounds over milsurp and about $100 per thousand compared to retail 223 ammo.

I haven't shot any of it in my Glocks, but I have shot Silver Bear 9mm, another steel cased Russian import, with no problems.

I wouldn't use the Russian ammo for any serious purpose, but for plinking it's good enough and it's inexpensive, which leaves me more money to stockpile the good stuff.

chopinbloc
January 29, 2006, 08:51 PM
Remember, Wolf isn't an ammo manufacturer, they're an importer.

maybe some is manufactured by a separate company but i seem to remember seeing a "wolf" headstamp on my 7.62x39.

for the record, i've never had a problem with wolf .40 through my g23 or g27. i'd guess i've put about two thousand of it through each but that really is just a guess.

lamazza
January 30, 2006, 03:22 AM
I wouldn't use wolf ammo in anything. Why mess with it when there so many cheap alternatives? Walmart all the way

Jeff22
January 30, 2006, 06:32 AM
The steel cases have uneven dimensions of rim thickness compared to brass cases. This can create stress on the extractor. I cracked the bottom off an extractor claw on a Sig 226 9mm after one case of Wolf ammo, and I have not used it in a pistol since.

But an SKS or AK-47 variant is DESIGNED to function with that ammunition, so in that application it's probably just fine. I use Wolf ammo in my AK and it works great.

gudel
January 30, 2006, 07:21 AM
it works fine in my USP45. it also works fine in my Glock 21.
it does seem under powered..and dirty.

asknight
January 30, 2006, 01:30 PM
maybe some is manufactured by a separate company but i seem to remember seeing a "wolf" headstamp on my 7.62x39.

for the record, i've never had a problem with wolf .40 through my g23 or g27. i'd guess i've put about two thousand of it through each but that really is just a guess.

Yes, you're correct that Wolf has their headstamp applied but it's still made in the historic Tula Cartridge Works factory in Russia. The Wolf Gold brass cased fodder is manufactured by Prvi Partizan in Serbia and Montenegro, IIRC. Wolf doesn't actually have a factory, as they're nothing more than a brand name.

http://tcwammo.tula.ru/win/english/main.html

Kramer Krazy
January 30, 2006, 02:20 PM
I ran a total of 1000 rounds of Wolf 45ACP through my Colt Government and Colt Officers 1911s. The Government had no problems with it, but the Officers had some probalems with extraction. I also shot 500 rounds of Silver Bear through the Government model without any issues.

Shot 500 rounds total of 9mm through my Glock G19 and a Ruger P-89DC. Absolutely no issues with it at all. We've sent either 2000 or 3000 rounds of Brown Bear ammo through my wife's S&W 5903 without any problems.

Shot a total of 1000 rounds of Silver Bear .380 HP through two different Bersa Thunder 380s. No problems.

Pur a total of 1000 rounds of Wolf through two different MAK-90s and two Yugo SKS rifles. No issues with any of them. I have 1000 rounds of Golden Tiger to be shot through these rifles in the future.

For all pistol rounds, I'm shooting reloadable brass-case ammo, since I have a reloader set-up, now. I'm reloading 45ACP and 44Mag will be next. The steel-cased rifle ammo will probably keep going through the rifles, as it is hard to beat $95 for 1000 rounds and the rifles function flawlessly with the stuff. I did notice with the Brown Bear and Silver Bear ammo that the charges were not as consistant as I'd like to have seen. Some of them seemed to be a little light, others were about the same as WWB, and others had the kick of a +P round and sometimes sparks and excessive flame would come out of the barrel. In general, from my experience, it's decent, cheap, plinking ammo.

R.H. Lee
January 30, 2006, 02:30 PM
The steel cases have uneven dimensions of rim thickness compared to brass cases. I have heard this from more than one reliable source, and it is the reason Wolf (or steel cased Russian ammo) is not reliable in 1911 pattern pistols. The Glock extractor is, what, TWICE as big as the 1911 extractor, though, and the space between the extractor hook and breechface looks larger, too.

Optical Serenity
January 30, 2006, 02:48 PM
Another vote for Walmart... Winchester white box, its brass, works great.

JeepDriver
January 30, 2006, 03:41 PM
I haven't shot any of their pistol ammo, WWB is just to cheap to pass up.

But I've been through several thousand rounds (over 10K) of their 223 w/o any issues, two misfires that I recall.

I've shot it through many AR's, semi and full auto (Bushy's, DPMS, Colt's & RRA's) and a few HK's in full auto w/o any problems. It runs the FA stuff a bit slower, but that saves me even more money!!!

If your gun will run it, I say shoot it!

Tropical Z
January 31, 2006, 02:00 AM
Wolf's fine,just don't use it in a sissy gun.

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