Colt 1911 Carbine Conversion Kit?


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45Broomhandle
January 29, 2006, 01:18 AM
ANYONE OUT THERE HAD ANY EXPERIENCE WITH ONE OF THESE? I'm seriously considering buying one of these kits. I like shoulder-stocked pistols for starters, collecting cased Fialas with stocks, and own stocked Inglis HP plus stocked C-96 broomhandles. But am wondering about the "shootability" of these rigs. Anyone with experience - or opinions - they care to share?

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english kanigit
January 29, 2006, 01:27 AM
No personal experience. I believe they're illegal without the 16 inch barrel.:barf:

45Broomhandle
January 29, 2006, 01:38 AM
Probably. But I would ALWAYS make sure the long barrel was aboard if I had the stock on it!!!!!!!! In the photo below of some of my Fialas, please note that if it's wearing a shoulder stock, it's in conjunction with the 20" forestocked barrel. (I can only imagine what that 3" barreled action would look like with a stock on it...)

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Zach S
January 29, 2006, 02:31 AM
Doesnt seem like it would be very accurate, the action would probably be cycling before the bullet left the barrel.

U.S.SFC_RET
January 29, 2006, 02:43 AM
Doesn't matter if the action is cycling or not before the bullet left the barrel. you just sight it in. I guarantee you the bullet is way out of the barrel before the casing even considers coming close to leaving the chamber to eject.

45Broomhandle
January 29, 2006, 11:55 AM
From your remarks, we are all thinking along the same lines. I appreciate your thoughts and opinions. I just hope someone happens along who has had actual experience with this rig, who can tells us something about its performance. HOWEVER, it could be that the product is so new that not many folks have purchased yet. On the other hand, seems to me I saw this, or something similar, offered several years ago. Any comments on the time period of these things - or similar devices?

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deadin
January 29, 2006, 12:09 PM
I had one of these years ago. (20 yrs.?) While neat to look at and shoot, I was unimpressed with their performance. Mine tended to malfunction a lot.
(FTF, Stovepipe) Probably needed to have a different recoil spring to make up for the additional weight in the barrel. Accuracy wasn't anything to write home about either. (Still has the short sight radius of a pistol).

Dean

45Broomhandle
January 29, 2006, 01:31 PM
I had one of these years ago. (20 yrs.?) While neat to look at and shoot, I was unimpressed with their performance. Mine tended to malfunction a lot.
(FTF, Stovepipe) Probably needed to have a different recoil spring to make up for the additional weight in the barrel. Accuracy wasn't anything to write home about either. (Still has the short sight radius of a pistol).

Dean

I THOUGHT I HAD SEEN IT BEFORE! If it was 20 years ago that would have been about the time I had other things on my plate and my gun interest didn't reawaken until a couple of years ago. I assumed the short, pistol sight radius, since I couldn't detect a front sight on the longer barrel.

The advertiser (SHOOTER'S 2006 Spring catalog, Pg.52) doesn't give much info. Do you know who made yours, Dean? There's no manufacturing info in the ad. Your comments on accuracy and reliability kinda' scare me. But I can always HOPE that they've rectified those problems over the last 20 years...

By the bye, do you recall exactly what malfunctions you experienced, OTHER THAN the stovepipe, etc.? Any feed problems? Can't see that happening, but one never knows. I'm mainly into display and the simple enjoyment of owning something "different." Maybe half a dozen people have seen my rather eclectic (oddball?) collection.

I look forward to your reply, and more info from others who've shot one of these things. Rather than just display it, someday I might need it to defend my "castle" from invading aliens, or more likely, from dope addicts.

Right now my MAIN home defense weapon is pictured below: the infamous Liliput 4.25mm mouse gun - - - SORRY, I meant house gun.

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The Drew
January 29, 2006, 01:36 PM
If you want a good quality carbine kit, you should look at the mech tech carbine kit. It is essentially a complete top end, (the stock and long barrel are one so you can't get yourself into trouble)

they are supposed to be VERY accurate, and last time I looked they were only a few bucks more that that kit if you ordered it from wilson combat.

45Broomhandle
January 29, 2006, 02:16 PM
If you want a good quality carbine kit, you should look at the mech tech carbine kit. It is essentially a complete top end, (the stock and long barrel are one so you can't get yourself into trouble)

they are supposed to be VERY accurate, and last time I looked they were only a few bucks more that that kit if you ordered it from wilson combat.

THANKS FOR THE INFO, THE DREW. I visited Wilson's website and couldn't find the Mech Tech, even using their search engine. I've sent them an email asking for info.

I can't picture how the barrel and stock could be ONE piece. How would you use the Colt's slide (sans barrel)? Do you use ONLY the bottom half of the Colt? That should certainly make it a much more accurate piece than the one I'm contemplating.

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hammer4nc
January 29, 2006, 02:59 PM
Mech tech kits are available in .45acp, .40 s&w, and .38super (maybe more). They have models that mate with a 1911 frame, and another model designed to mate with a glock frame.

You can do a search on this forum for some information.

I have two mech tech ccu's, in .40 and .45. You can mate them with a para-ordnance frame (=hi-cap carbine), with the inclusion of a small metal block, to fill up the space in the para frame for a ramped barrel.

I've found the mech-tech customer support to be pretty good. they've been rumored to be working on a folding stock model, have yet to see it.

ps: the upper is non-serialized, you can have it shipped to your house with no ffl.

Here's the manufacturer's website: http://www.mechtechsys.com

Mech-tech uppers regularly appear on gunbroker.com and ebay, in the $200-250 price range.

45Broomhandle
January 29, 2006, 08:29 PM
Thanks, hammer4nc. Visited the Mech Tech website. That's definately a much more sophisticated piece of machinery than the one I pictured above. And the higher price is probably much deserved. However, don't ask me why, but there's something about those configurations that turn me off. TOO sophisticated? I don't know what it is, but something about that first one just grabbed me. EVERY stocked handgun I own has an old-fashioned piece of sculpted wood for a stock rather than metal. MAYBE that's the clue. Every stock I saw there was either plastic or metal. I've emailed them for more info however. So time will tell. Still looking for any more info on the above beastie.

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Vern Humphrey
January 29, 2006, 08:53 PM
There are basically three problems with a shoulder-stocked M1911:

1. The mass of the recoilling parts is dramatically changed by the 16" barrel, and that's something you can't really fix. So expect a low reliability rate.

2. The sights are not designed for shoulder-stocks -- the rear sight is too close to the eye, the sight radius is too short.

3. You have to adopt a head-back shooting style, or get a black eye from the slide.

45Broomhandle
January 29, 2006, 09:51 PM
THAT'S THREE POINTS FOR NOT BUYING one of these rigs. As I mentioned previously I'm more into the enjoyment of collecting, ownership, and display than actually shooting my guns. Some I won't shoot, simply because it would decrease their collectibilty and value. Due to my age, health and location I have VERY LITTLE time at the range. I thought this carbine conversion would make my 1911 more interesting. Again, due to my physical circumstances I spend most of my very limited range time with low recoil .22rf weapons - of which I have a pretty wide variety of shooters and collectors. Don't misunderstand me, I still love the big bores and own a few .45s, 9mm, and 357s. I just don't shoot them as much nowadays. There's a lesson here for younger shooters who may read this: get out and enjoy your guns as often as you can afford, 'cause it ain't gonna' last forever.

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deadin
January 30, 2006, 01:29 AM
My memory of the problems I had with the "carbine" are somewhat hazy after 20 years. I just remember "problems". I definitely remember stovepipes. (and after a stovepipe, you do have a failure to feed:D)
As to who made it? Numrich keeps coming to mind, but I can't be sure.

As you seem to like ther weird stuff, I will have to try to find a picture of a Webley Mk VI with a buttstock and bayonet I had a number of years ago.

Dean

45Broomhandle
January 30, 2006, 10:58 PM
I'M ALWAYS ATTRACTED TO ANY STOCKED HANDGUN. However, I don't remember that the Webley had a bayo with it!!! A gun, is a gun, is a gun, but the oddities are just so much neater to me than the run-of-the-mill weapons. EVERYBODY has those. I've forever regretted getting rid of things I owned back in the '50s, like a Chicago Palm Pistol, a Manhattan .36cal C&B revolver, a .31cal C&B Bacon revolver, a .22rf Reid My Friend Knuckle Duster, etc., etc..

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fletcher
August 26, 2007, 10:12 AM
Where can you find one of those nowadays? I saw them in a catalog a long time ago, but they seem to have disappeared.

45Broomhandle
August 26, 2007, 10:41 AM
Hi Fletcher. Go to this website.

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=276863

I just checked it a moment ago. They're still available. Best regards, ~~~45Broomhandle

45Broomhandle
August 26, 2007, 11:17 AM
Recently found a rare (ca. 1925) N-S leather-on-steel stock/holster for the Colt Woodsman. It's in like new condition and coincidentally will also fit the Fiala Mdl. 1920. (And, yes, I'm aware it's illegal to use with anything other than the Woodsman.) Best regards, ~~~ 45Broomhandle

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4v50 Gary
August 26, 2007, 11:24 AM
I had one of these years ago. (20 yrs.?) While neat to look at and shoot, I was unimpressed with their performance. Mine tended to malfunction a lot.
(FTF, Stovepipe) Probably needed to have a different recoil spring to make up for the additional weight in the barrel. Accuracy wasn't anything to write home about either. (Still has the short sight radius of a pistol).

Dean

Back in Armourer's School (Lassen College) our instructor, Bob Dunlap, who now makes those American Gunsmithing Institute DVDs, warned us about those long barrel Colts. It's typical of an aftermarket gun with no thoughts to the engineering involved. Dunlap told us that the long barrel adds mass which the 1911 design (and mil-spec cartridge) was not designed to handle. The energy to unlock the additional mass isn't sufficient and hence the stove-piping problem Dean encountered. Looks purdy, but it won't necessarily work.

Finally, congratulations 45Broomhandle on that mighty fine addition to your collection. I never knew such a gun existed.

The Lone Haranguer
August 26, 2007, 12:15 PM
I thought the "Liliput" pistol only existed in Alistair MacLean novels.

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