Illinois House to consider ban worse than Cal's infamous SB-23


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bg
January 29, 2006, 02:42 PM
I hope all in IL who value your shooting rights and the weapons/
hi cap mags, etc you have now wiLL contact your Rep. This bill below
is even worse than the bill Grey Davis pushed along here in
Cal. SB-23, which turned out to be one of the most restrictive anti
gun bills ever passed and signed into law here. It is now Cal's
AWB law, and those in IL are considering the exact same bill
with even more parts added making it worse than Cal's law..

You have to contact your Rep and tell H... NO ! on this terrible
bill..Ck it out >
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=&SessionId=50&GA=94&DocTypeId=HB&DocNum=2414&GAID=8&LegID=17433&SpecSess=&Session=

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musher
January 29, 2006, 03:05 PM
Yikes, no registration even. Turn'em all in Mr and Mrs Illinois. Violations are a felony. Even the expected LE exception is an affirmative defense.
Pretty draconian stuff.

beerslurpy
January 29, 2006, 04:02 PM
Well, its about time they drove all those pesky gun manufacturers out of illinois. Who needs those jobs anyway?

Well less jobs and tax for Illinois means more for Florida.

Gatman
January 29, 2006, 04:19 PM
Read this....

94TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY
State of Illinois
2005 and 2006HB2414


Introduced 2/17/2005, by Rep. Edward J. Acevedo


SYNOPSIS AS INTRODUCED:


720 ILCS 5/24-1.7 new
720 ILCS 5/24-1.8 new


Amends the Criminal Code of 1961. Prohibits the knowing manufacture, delivery, and possession of semiautomatic assault weapons, assault weapon attachments, 50 caliber rifles, and 50 caliber cartridges. Provides for an affirmative defense to a violation for peace officers, correctional institution employees and officers, members of the Armed Services and Reserve Forces of the United States, and the Illinois National Guard while these persons are in the performance of their duties. Establishes penalties for violations. Prohibits the knowing manufacture, delivery, and possession of a large capacity ammunition feeding device (a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device that has a capacity of, or that can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than 10 rounds of ammunition and any combination of parts from which such a device can be assembled). Establishes penalties for violations. Requires a person who possesses a large capacity ammunition feeding device on the effective date of the amendatory Act, within 90 days after that date, to destroy the device, render the device permanently inoperable, relinquish the device to a law enforcement agency, or remove the device from the State. Establishes as an affirmative defense to a violation, the delivery or possession of a large capacity ammunition feeding device while in the performance of their official duties by peace officers, correctional institutional employees and officials, and members of the Armed Services or Reserve Forces of the United States or the Illinois National Guard.



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A BILL FOR





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1 AN ACT concerning criminal law.

2 Be it enacted by the People of the State of Illinois,
3 represented in the General Assembly:

4 Section 5. The Criminal Code of 1961 is amended by adding
5 Sections 24-1.7 and 24-1.8 as follows:

6 (720 ILCS 5/24-1.7 new)
7 Sec. 24-1.7. Manufacture, possession, and delivery of
8 semiautomatic assault weapons, assault weapon attachments, 50
9 caliber rifles, and 50 caliber cartridges.
10 (a) The General Assembly finds that:
11 (1) the high rate of fire and capacity for firepower of
12 semiautomatic assault weapons and assault weapon
13 attachments pose a significant threat to the health,
14 safety, and welfare of the citizens of this State, that the
15 use of these weapons or attachments for sport or recreation
16 is substantially outweighed by the danger these weapons and
17 attachments present to human life, and that restrictions
18 should therefore be placed on the manufacture, delivery,
19 and possession of these weapons and attachments;
20 (2) 50 caliber rifles are military-style firearms,
21 used by armed forces around the world, which combine long
22 range accuracy and massive power and are accurate to
23 distances of 1,000 to 2,000 yards (10 to 20 football
24 fields), depending on the skill of the shooter, and can
25 penetrate armored vehicles, disable aircraft, and damage
26 industrial targets, such as refineries and hazardous
27 chemical plants;
28 (3) 50 caliber rifles have been associated with
29 significant criminal activity, both domestic and
30 international, and that there is a nexus between these
31 weapons and terrorist groups, outlaw motorcycle gangs,
32 international drug cartels, domestic drug dealers,




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1 religious cults, militia groups, potential assassins, and
2 violent criminals;
3 (4) 50 caliber rifles and ammunition are proliferating
4 on the civilian market in the United States;
5 (5) despite the attractiveness of 50 caliber rifles to
6 criminals and potential terrorists, these firearms are
7 treated as ordinary long guns under existing federal and
8 Illinois law, and can be legally purchased in this State by
9 any 18-year old who possesses a valid Firearm Owner's
10 Identification Card and whose criminal history records and
11 mental health records do not disqualify the person from
12 possessing those rifles but purchasers of handguns, in
13 contrast, must be at least 21 years old; and
14 (6) the uncontrolled proliferation and use of 50
15 caliber rifles poses an unacceptable threat to the health,
16 safety, and security of the public.
17 It is the intent of this Act to reduce the risk of personal
18 injury, death and property damage caused by these weapons of
19 war.
20 (b) Definitions. In this Section:
21 (1) "Semi-automatic assault weapon" means:
22 (A) any of the firearms or types, replicas, or
23 duplicates in any caliber of the firearms, known as:
24 (i) Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies
25 Avtomat Kalashnikovs (all models);
26 (ii) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries
27 UZI and Galil;
28 (iii) Beretta AR-70 (SC-70);
29 (iv) Colt AR-15;
30 (v) Fabrique Nationale FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and
31 FNC;
32 (vi) SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9, and M-12;
33 (vii) Steyr AUG;
34 (viii) INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9 and TEC-22; and
35 (ix) any shotgun which contains its ammunition
36 in a revolving cylinder, such as (but not limited




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1 to) the Street Sweeper and Striker 12;
2 (x) any firearm having a caliber of 50 or
3 greater;
4 (B) a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to
5 accept a detachable magazine and has any of the
6 following:
7 (i) a folding or telescoping stock;
8 (ii) a pistol grip that protrudes
9 conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
10 (iii) a bayonet mount;
11 (iv) a flash suppressor or barrel having a
12 threaded muzzle; or
13 (v) a grenade launcher;
14 (C) a semi-automatic pistol that has an ability to
15 accept a detachable magazine and has any of the
16 following:
17 (i) an ammunition magazine that attaches to
18 the pistol outside of the pistol grip;
19 (ii) a barrel having a threaded muzzle;
20 (iii) a shroud that is attached to, or
21 partially or completely encircles the barrel, and
22 that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with
23 the non-trigger hand without being burned;
24 (iv) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more
25 when the pistol is unloaded; or
26 (v) a semiautomatic version of an automatic
27 firearm;
28 (D) a semiautomatic shotgun that has any of the
29 following:
30 (i) a folding or telescoping stock;
31 (ii) a pistol grip that protrudes
32 conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
33 (iii) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5
34 rounds; or
35 (iv) an ability to accept a detachable
36 magazine.




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1 "Semiautomatic assault weapon" does not include:
2 (A) any firearm that:
3 (i) is manually operated by bolt, pump, lever
4 or slide action;
5 (ii) is an "unserviceable firearm" or has been
6 made permanently inoperable; or
7 (iii) is an antique firearm;
8 (B) any semiautomatic rifle that cannot accept a
9 detachable magazine that holds more than 5 rounds of
10 ammunition; or
11 (C) any semiautomatic shotgun that cannot hold
12 more than 5 rounds of ammunition in a fixed or
13 detachable magazine.
14 (2) "Assault weapon attachment" means any device
15 capable of being attached to a firearm that is specifically
16 designed for making or converting a firearm into any of the
17 firearms listed in paragraph (1) of subsection (b) of this
18 Section.
19 (3) "Antique firearm" has the meaning ascribed to it in
20 18 U.S.C. Section 921(a)(16).
21 (4) "50 caliber rifle" means a centerfire rifle capable
22 of firing a 50 caliber cartridge. The term does not include
23 any antique firearm, as defined in 18 U.S.C. Section
24 921(a)(16).
25 (5) "50 caliber cartridge" means a cartridge in 50
26 caliber, either by designation or actual measurement,
27 including but not limited to a .50 BMG cartridge, that is
28 capable of being fired from a centerfire rifle. The term
29 "50 caliber cartridge" does not include any memorabilia or
30 display item that is filled with a permanent inert
31 substance or that is otherwise permanently altered in a
32 manner that prevents ready modification for use as live
33 ammunition.
34 (c) Except as provided in subsection (e), 90 days after the
35 effective date of this amendatory Act of the 94th General
36 Assembly, it is unlawful for any person within this State, to




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1 knowingly manufacture, deliver, or possess or cause to be
2 manufactured, delivered, or possessed, a semiautomatic assault
3 weapon, an assault weapon attachment, any 50 caliber rifle, or
4 50 caliber cartridge.
5 (d) Any person who knowingly possesses a semiautomatic
6 assault weapon, assault weapon attachment, any 50 caliber rifle
7 or 50 caliber cartridge must, within 90 days after the
8 effective date of this amendatory Act of the 94th General
9 Assembly, destroy the weapon or attachment, render it
10 permanently inoperable, relinquish it to a law enforcement
11 agency, or remove it from this State.
12 (e) A person has an affirmative defense to an alleged
13 violation of subsection (c) of this Section if he or she
14 lawfully possessed or delivered the semiautomatic assault
15 weapon, assault weapon attachment, any 50 caliber rifle, or 50
16 caliber cartridge while in the performance of his or her
17 official duties as a peace officer, correctional institution
18 employee or official, or member of the Armed Services or
19 Reserve Forces of the United States, or of the Illinois
20 National Guard.
21 (f) Sentence.
22 (1) A person who manufactures, possesses, or delivers a
23 semiautomatic assault weapon in violation of this Section
24 commits a Class 3 felony for a first violation and a Class
25 2 felony for a second or subsequent violation or for the
26 possession or delivery of 2 or more of these weapons at the
27 same time.
28 (2) A person who possesses or delivers in violation of
29 this Section an assault weapon attachment commits a Class 4
30 felony for a first violation and a Class 3 felony for a
31 second or subsequent violation.
32 (3) A person who manufactures, possesses, or delivers
33 in violation of this Section a 50 caliber rifle commits a
34 Class 4 felony.
35 (4) A person who possesses or delivers in violation of
36 this Section a 50 caliber cartridge commits a Class A




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1 misdemeanor.

2 (720 ILCS 5/24-1.8 new)
3 Sec. 24-1.8. Manufacture, possession, and delivery of
4 large capacity ammunition feeding devices.
5 (a) As used in this Section:
6 "Large capacity ammunition feeding device" means:
7 (1) a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar
8 device that has a capacity of, or that can be readily
9 restored or converted to accept, more than 10 rounds of
10 ammunition; or
11 (2) any combination of parts from which a device
12 described in paragraph (1) can be assembled.
13 "Large capacity ammunition feeding device" does not
14 include an attached tubular device designed to accept, and
15 capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition
16 or any device that has been made permanently inoperable.
17 (b) Except as provided in subsection (c), it is unlawful
18 for any person within this State, beginning 90 days after the
19 effective date of this amendatory Act of the 94th General
20 Assembly, to knowingly manufacture, deliver, or possess or
21 cause to be manufactured, delivered, or possessed, a large
22 capacity ammunition feeding device.
23 (c) Any person who knowingly possesses a large capacity
24 ammunition feeding device on the effective date of this
25 amendatory Act of the 94th General Assembly must, within 90
26 days after the effective date of this amendatory Act of the
27 94th General Assembly, destroy the device, render it
28 permanently inoperable, relinquish it to a law enforcement
29 agency, or remove it from this State.
30 (d) A person has an affirmative defense to an alleged
31 violation of subsection (c) of this Section if he or she
32 lawfully possessed or delivered the large capacity ammunition
33 feeding device while in the performance of his or her official
34 duties as a peace officer, correctional institution employee or
35 official, or member of the Armed Services or Reserve Forces of




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1 the United States or of the Illinois National Guard.
2 (e) Sentence. A person who possesses or delivers in
3 violation of this Section a large capacity ammunition feeding
4 device capable of holding more than 17 rounds of ammunition
5 commits a Class 3 felony for a first violation and a Class 2
6 felony for a second or subsequent violation or for possession
7 or delivery of 2 or more of these devices at the same time. A
8 person who possesses or delivers in violation of this Section a
9 large capacity ammunition feeding device capable of holding
10 more than 10 rounds but not more than 17 rounds of ammunition
11 commits a Class 4 felony for a first violation and a Class 3
12 felony for a second or subsequent violation or for possession
13 or delivery of more than one of these devices at the same time.

Gatman
January 29, 2006, 04:21 PM
This is a load of bull????. It associates .50 with terrorism, drug runners, drug dealers, motorcylce gangs, and street gangs!

I cannot wait to leave this state.

Jubei
January 29, 2006, 04:53 PM
Pathetic, just pathetic.

Looks like it's time to update my resume. Maybe head for warmer, more tolerant climates.

Jubei

Johnnybgood
January 29, 2006, 04:58 PM
I may have to leave this state to the commies. Then again they pass this and maybe more Illinoisans will wake up and smell the fecal matter. Maybe even vote those who voted for it out of office. Okay, daydream over. Now is it Indiana or Missouri?:banghead:

beerslurpy
January 29, 2006, 05:11 PM
I love how they just cut and past teh list of assault weapons from the original 89 bill. Streetsweepers and MAC10s havent been in production for years now. Can you even get a Polytech AK anymore without going to a collector?

Why not ban the production of MP-40s or Tiger MKIVs? I mean, those were used to INVADE FRANCE for god's sake. How can we allow such dangerous implements of war to remain in use?

I thought Illinois was all pro-gun except for Daley City. The state rep from Miami proposes assault weapons bans every year but that doesnt actually mean it has a chance in hell of passing.

bg
January 29, 2006, 05:15 PM
One of the things so screwy about this bill is the fact that
it counts ALL 50 caliber rifles, not just the 50 BMG.. ?
It's as nasty as it gets. I didn't see mention of the
S&W 50 wheelgun, but I'm sure it would be included. Terrible bill !

Even we out here in Cal can keep our hi-caps if bought before a
certain date. I hope IL can get this thing defeated..Man o man.

Kodiaz
January 29, 2006, 08:24 PM
My fellow shooters. Let me be the first to welcome you to the great state of Fl.

We have great weather various climates hunting in state in several different environments. Shall issue CCW with appropiate self defense laws. Great beaches, great fishing and a good economy come on down. Let's go fishing.


What Illinois needs is a Henry Bowman.

Standing Wolf
January 29, 2006, 08:30 PM
Those who don't know history are condemned to repeat it.

Pilgrim
January 29, 2006, 08:35 PM
Have you considered how long it would take to starve Chicago into submission?

Pilgrim

musher
January 29, 2006, 08:43 PM
It associates .50 with terrorism, drug runners, drug dealers, motorcylce gangs, and street gangs!

Hey, I gotta mount for a 50 on my hawg. I got'er set up so my passenger can shoot at trucks that block the fast lane. Only problem is that every time she fires the damned thing, the bike runs off onto the shoulder.

Maybe they ought to be banned, they just aren't safe on a bike.

Herself
January 29, 2006, 08:43 PM
Come to Indiana, Johnnybegood, and we can design the .50 Beowolf revolver* to smuggle by the thousands over the border and distribute at 5% over cost!

You know, 49, 48 or 47 states would be just as good as 50.

We could allow events in Illinois to follow their logical course: total civilian disarmament (except for criminals and "crazed" conservatives and libertarians), barbarism, looting, starvation and depopulation in Chicago; brigandage, hunger and civil unrest in the remaining large urban centers, and an eventual return to the normal argculturally-dominated culture. Perhaps after a generation of tightly-controlled borders, they would overthrow their Evil Overlords and reapply for admission to the Union.

But attempting to work within the system is probably the more honorable course. I do not envy Boss Daley's subjects!

--Herself
____________________________
* I'm proposing the solid and strange Webley-Fosbury (sic?) semi-auto revolver as the starting point, to allow for a selective-fire mode for maximum fun!

Kodiaz
January 29, 2006, 08:52 PM
I know a lot of people that live in their no longer free states (Ca NJ NY) love their homes. But if these people just up and went to a free state I think gun control would pretty much go out the window. Shooting is an expensive hobby. I send 300 rounds downrange every weekend and that is just with pistols. People that own guns are productive members of society. So we take all the gunowners in NY NJ Ca and Il and they move to some better free state. Now these totalitarian states lose lots of money and their percentage of productive citizens goes way down. Come to think of it that is exactly what these gungrabbers deserve a major portion of their productive citizens leaving and and trashing their former states economy that sounds great.

Don Gwinn
January 29, 2006, 09:01 PM
I thought Illinois was all pro-gun except for Daley City. The state rep from Miami proposes assault weapons bans every year but that doesnt actually mean it has a chance in hell of passing.

That's more or less what this bill is. Daley introduces a "package" of bills every year and gets shot down every year. This is the second or third year for HB2414, but a similar AWB bill has come up for years before that.

The problem with this is that the state rifle association seemed to be content with this status quo for a long time. But the fact that Daley proposed something stupid doesn't mean the world is ending.

I'll call Rep. Hannig's office tomorrow and see what they say. No way he would ever vote for such a thing, but maybe someone there can tell us how it looks--he's a leader on gun issues. On the other hand, I'm no insider, so a flunky may tell me to get lost. I'll report either way.

Jadecristal
February 20, 2006, 11:45 AM
and the Glock 17 is a "semi-automatic version of an automatic firearm" (a G18), then they'd be banned too.

Uggh. Maybe we could just pave all of IL and turn it into a big parking lot?

ElTacoGrande
February 20, 2006, 12:49 PM
and the Glock 17 is a "semi-automatic version of an automatic firearm" (a G18), then they'd be banned too.

Uggh. Maybe we could just pave all of IL and turn it into a big parking lot?

The G17 is NOT version of the G18. Glock did that on purpose, becaues quite a few countries have laws about "semi auto versions of autos". G17 parts (frame, slide, etc) are NOT compatible with the G18, just for that reason.

Crosshair
February 20, 2006, 01:21 PM
Isn't California feeling something similar Kodiaz? Lots of Businesses are leaving CA because of the inane laws and the costs. I thought that was part of the reason that CA is in such deep financial trouble as more and more people take their investment $ elsewhere.

PCGS65
February 20, 2006, 01:24 PM
My fellow shooters. Let me be the first to welcome you to the great state of Fl.

We have great weather various climates hunting in state in several different environments. Shall issue CCW with appropiate self defense laws. Great beaches, great fishing and a good economy come on down. Let's go fishing.
What Illinois needs is a Henry Bowman.
I've been to florida several times to visit my mother and a friend from high school. Nice place. I love the fishing too!! Sounds good. What kind of jobs are available for a mechanical person?

XD_fan
February 20, 2006, 01:45 PM
Looks like there will be a lot of Browning Auto-5s and Remington 7400s for sale in IL soon. :banghead:

Could someone explain to me how Daly gets re-elected in this day and age? I don't live there and even I know he's crooked as the day is long.

boofus
February 20, 2006, 01:52 PM
You're welcome to come to TX, plenty of room and you can try out my machinegun if you bring ammo. None of that "assault weapon" horse manure down here. :p

*** is an assault rifle attachment? Do they mean scopes or bipods or slings??? Good bye hunting rifles.
Any combination of parts that can be used to build a magazine or belt? Looks like everyone in Illannoy are gonna have to go without pants, cause MG belts can obviously be made from cloth.

DonP
February 20, 2006, 03:31 PM
I got a letter back Friday (2/17/06) in response to my "snailmail" letter to Renee Kosel, my State Rep, on HB 2414.

She's pretty good at actually responding to letters and such with a personal response. It also helps to go to her public forums, meetings (and the occasional fund raiser). You don't have to be a big contributor to get remembered by them, just a steady giver. I read that she actually joined the ISRA earlier this year. I have to check that one out though.

Her POV is that HB 2414 won't get any farther than any of Daley's previous gun grabber bills. She is a guaranteed "NO" vote on any new gun laws.

It's just getting more visibility than usual because it's an election year for Blago and he needs to suck up to the Chicago machine big time to offset his problems with his father-in-law, re: the downstate "intern" he had driven to the Dem convention in Boston.

Blago has pretty much lost most, if not all, of the downstate Dem's for a lot of reasons, gun control included. He needs Daley and the Chicago vote to stay afloat. I don't think Eisendrath is a serious threat in the Dem primaries and may just be a stalking horse to make them appear open minded about other candidates.

I'm just hoping the ISRA and VanDermyde (sp?) and the NRA ILA learned their lesson from their attempts at "reasonable compromise" last year on the gun show issue with these lieing sacks of s---!

scout26
February 20, 2006, 03:42 PM
As I pointed out in this thread:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=182281

All of you out of staters can help us trapped behind the lines in Illinois.

Send an e-mail/make a phone call to an Illinois Rep (yep, any Representative) and tell them that you will not come to Illinois to Hunt, or attend ANY event at the World Shooting and Recreation Complex.

Hit 'em where it hurts----Right in the revenue generator.

I'd really like to see the ATA send a letter to Blago that says "Knock it off, or we're moving the Grand to Las Vegas."

Templar223
February 20, 2006, 04:51 PM
BRADY AND OBERWEISS CAMPAIGNS PAY ATTENTION - HERE IS HOW TO GET RID OF BLAGO

By John Birch, President, Concealed Carry, Inc., Oak Brook, IL, Tel: 630 660-3935 Email: john@concealcarry.org

Once No Gun Rod signs HB 2414 (Semi Auto Ban) into law his likelihood of election drops to ZERO. No one downstate will ever believe his claim that he supports private gun ownership again. Want Rod gone? Support HB 2414 and he'll be forced to political commit suicide by pen. You see, the last thing Rod wants is this bill on his desk. He wants to say he supports HB 2414 knowing it will NEVER pass and get the best of both worlds. We have to force this bill down the Governor's throat and then he will be TOAST. SUPPORT HB 2414. Do it. Now.

With apologies to the NRA, ISRA, Champaign County Rifle Association, Mac McWilliams, and even the fledgling ICarry.org I must demur from the suggestion that gun owners fight HB 2414. We should instead support HB 2414 and more for the higher purpose of getting Governor Rod Blagojevich out of office. Please read and then either declare me insane or support HB 2414.

RECAP: HB 2414 is touted as the law that will restore the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban to Illinois. Never mind the the federal ban flat didn't work and the carnage that was projected to result from the expiration of the ban in 2004 never happened. That said HB 2414 is not a replacement for the Federal AWB which only banned sales of NEW inventory. This bill is a ban on transfer and possession of even existing firearms in your home. You got it..KNOCK KNOCK..."we are here for your guns and you are under arrest." YES! We love it. BYE BYE ROD!

I support HB 2414 along with the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence (ICHV) even though this bill has nothing to do with handguns or even concealed carry for that matter. I want you to join me in supporting HB 2414. Here is why:

1) This bill is never going to die. Every year we go round and round with it or a variant.

2) All this bill does is cause gun owners to send money to lobbyists to stop it while costing the gun banners nothing as they have the taxpayers funding their efforts (Yes Mayor Daley has his own lobbyists paid for by big dummies and the ICHV is merely a political puppet of the Daley regime acting under the guise of a 501(c)3 non-profit.)

3) This is the big one: Show down time. I admit it. I am spoiling for a fight. This bill is every gun controllers wet dream. I say HB 2414 should be amended to ban handguns as well. I am not kidding and no it is not April 1st. We say we want to fight for our rights all the time. Prove it.

Thanks for reading so far. You are truly not only a future felon, but one heck of an American. Now here is my rationale:

The long touted number of FOID cards is 1,500,000 in Illinois. Let's assume only 1/3 have a weapon that would fall under HB 2414 and they are not about to hand over high dollar weapons without compensation. That would be 500,000 of us. Currently the Illinois Department of Corrections (Who did they ever correct by the way?) is housing 80,000 inmates (80,001 once gun hater George Ryan is convicted.) This means the prison system would have to be increased by 625% just to accommodate previously law abiding gun owners. It costs just over $14,000 to house a prisoner for a year. The budget for prisons would have to go from $1,190,000,000 to over $9,000,000,000 a year. Staffing at prisons would move from 14,000 corrections officers (corrections, ya, right) to 87,500. Look, Rod "the gun" Blagojevich can't even find $3,200,000,000 to meet existing obligations much less find another $7,000,000,000 to fund this bill.

The numbers do NOT take into account the few criminals who are in possession of these weapons currently. Note we was "few criminals" because these guns are simply too big to be used for crime in virtually all instances. This law targets average Joe's, not criminals. It creates criminals rather than stops criminals. It's a liberal thing.

This is just the tip of the iceberg. A story we are following and hope to be able to report on is the arrest of a prominent Chicago citizen who is also a recipient of the Purple Heart (not John Kerry style either) in the current war against terrorism. His home was "dynamically" entered by the Chicago police resulting in $30,000 in damage to the home and 3 felony counts against this citizen who is not only a war hero, but has zero criminal record. If HB 2414 passes we are potentially looking at $15,000.000,000 in damage to our private property. Assuming just 5 cops per dynamic entry we are talking 2,500,000 police man days just to make the initial arrests. Then add in the pre-trial confinement, the lawyers, the already at over capacity court system...you get the idea.

And look at all the US Citizens who will simply not visit, much less move to Illinois with such a law in place. Billions more LOST all because of HB 2414.

REPEATING: Once Gun Rod signs this bill into law his likelihood of election drops to ZERO. No one downstate will ever believe his claim that he supports private gun ownership again. Want Rod gone? Support HB 2414 and he'll be forced to political commit suicide by pen. You see, the last thing Rod wants is this bill on his desk. He wants to say he supports HB 2414 knowing it will NEVER pass. We have to force this bill down the Governor's throat and then he will be TOAST. SUPPORT HB 2414. Do it. Now.

So what is not to like? Want to bring the State of Illinois back to reality? Then you must call your state representatives and them to vote YES on HB 2414. I am right now. In fact I am including them on this email.

Permission to reprint granted by: John Birch, President, Concealed Carry, Inc., Oak Brook, IL, Tel: 630 660-3935 Email: john@concealcarry.org
HB 2414-- Prohibition on Assault Weapons and .50 Caliber Sniper Rifles
House Sponsors: Rep. Edward Acevedo

Abbreviated Synopsis
"Amends the Criminal Code of 1961. Prohibits the knowing manufacture, delivery, and possession of semiautomatic assault weapons, assault weapon attachments, 50 caliber rifles, and 50 caliber cartridges."

KIDGLOCK
February 20, 2006, 05:00 PM
MOLON LABE

PCGS65
February 20, 2006, 06:21 PM
by Templar223 The long touted number of FOID cards is 1,500,000 in Illinois. Let's assume only 1/3 have a weapon that would fall under HB 2414 and they are not about to hand over high dollar weapons without compensation. That would be 500,000 of us. Currently the Illinois Department of Corrections (Who did they ever correct by the way?) is housing 80,000 inmates (80,001 once gun hater George Ryan is convicted.) This means the prison system would have to be increased by 625% just to accommodate previously law abiding gun owners. It costs just over $14,000 to house a prisoner for a year. The budget for prisons would have to go from $1,190,000,000 to over $9,000,000,000 a year. Staffing at prisons would move from 14,000 corrections officers (corrections, ya, right) to 87,500. Look, Rod "the gun" Blagojevich can't even find $3,200,000,000 to meet existing obligations much less find another $7,000,000,000 to fund this bill.
Blago will just take the money from the teachers pension fund like he did 1-2 years ago to balance the budget. Remember to the tune of $2 BILLION!!

Huntzman
February 21, 2006, 12:45 AM
I urge you to contact your representative today and demand that they vote against HB2414 and any of the Chicago political machines other absurd gun bills. Let's be honest, they have been and continue to be gun grabbers. Look at Blagojevich's original campaign and his statements on gun control and raising FOID card costs. Yet they want to grab them from the wrong people. Let's demand that instead of making our legally owned guns illegal, and thereby making us criminals, that they start putting the real criminals in jail first.

To those who have heard "it will never pass...." here is a response I received from one of our downstate rep's:

Thank you for your e-mail regarding HB 2414. The Governor and Mayor of Chicago Richard Daley are in strong support of this bill. There are 40 legislators that have already signed on as co-sponsors of this bill.

As it only takes 60 votes to pass legislation from the Illinois House, they are very close to having the votes to pass HB 2414. Last year, this bill failed by only 3 votes, so it will be close.

As I am a member of the NRA and enjoy hunting I do not support this bill and I will not vote for it. It is poorly drafted.

Sincerely,

Representative Bill Black

Three votes last time.......... Don't sit back on this one ladies and gentlemen. You need to mail / call / email your reps and let them know your watching them and their voting records.

(Emphasis above mine)

Grey54956
February 21, 2006, 05:36 PM
Is it just me, or is it time the gun industry enacts a voluntary ban on the sale and service of all firearms to the State of Illinois, similar to what Barrett did with California, but with all firearms. I wonder if the cops would start to roll over a bit if they new they couldn't get dependable sidearms or ammunition.

Obviously, the State of Illinois is generally hostile towards firearms owners and manufacturers. Why should we arm our enemies any further? Why should we continue to serve tyrants?

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