S&W Mod 10 leans to the left


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Gonzoinc
January 29, 2006, 10:14 PM
My Mod 10 shoots left
is there anyway to correct that?
moving the front sight?
moving the bbl?
or do I just have to aim right all the time?:confused:

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Wllm. Legrand
January 29, 2006, 11:09 PM
The simplest explanation would be that perhaps the barrel is undertimed.

Take it to a gunsmith and see if he can tighten it...unless you feel up to the task. If it's a pinned barrel (which I don't think was done on Mod 10s but I could be mistaken) that would be a more difficult repair.

kjeff50cal
January 29, 2006, 11:18 PM
My Mod 10 shoots left
is there anyway to correct that?
moving the front sight?
moving the bbl?
or do I just have to aim right all the time?:confused:

If the barrel/sight is not bent, I would say it is a matter of trigger control. Try to squeeze the trigger with the pad of your finger not the first joint. Try not to anticipate the recoil, the .38 Special is a relatively mild round but it will make you flinch if you are not used to it. Have someone with you, next time you go to the shooting range, load your revolver. Have them put an empty case in a random chamber and lay the gun on the shooting bench. Pick up your gun and shoot at the target. I will bet you will see what you are doing wrong.

kjeff50cal

Gary A
January 29, 2006, 11:22 PM
Sometimes, depending on how proficient you are as a shooter and how familiar with that particular firearm, shooting left can be as simple as a bit too much finger on the trigger. You could be very slightly "pushing" the muzzle to the left if you are right-handed. I'm no expert but in the beginning I seemed to find that a lot of guns shot left, most often low left. There are some sources on the web which diagram this and if I can find a link I'll post it. BTW, my guns got better over time. :) Maybe it is worth considering this before modifying the revolver. Go to http://www.bullseyepistol.com/training.htm and check the "wheel of misfortune" which graphs what I am talking about.

Old Fuff
January 29, 2006, 11:27 PM
Gonzoinc:

You didn't mention two important points:

How far to the left does it shoot, and...

At what distance?

It might be possible for a gunsmith to file off a little metal on the right-hand side of the rear sight notch. This would move the point of impact to the right.

Wllm. Legrand
January 29, 2006, 11:42 PM
Do you put it on a rest of some kind to check aim?

Shooting single action, as opposed to double-action?

I agree that the "problem" needs to be qualified.

Majic
January 29, 2006, 11:42 PM
S&W Mod 10 leans to the left
Learn to lean to the right when shooting. :D
Actually like the Fluffster recommends it may be possible to open up one side of the rear sight window to compensate if the POI isn't to far off.

Gonzoinc
January 30, 2006, 11:14 PM
Not trying to toot my own horn, but...
I feel that I am a very proficient shooter.
Hitting a 12" plate at 200yds with my .357, standing, offhand, isn't too shabby.

at about 15-20 yards I can make a nice 2" group at about 2.5-3" left of center.
It might not seem like a lot, but it aggrevates me.:cuss:
If would prefer it if I didn't have to do any kind of filing.
I would like to learn more about the barrel being "untimed".
Majic I've alread been leaning to the right and it's a pain in the ass.:fire:
I would like to fix it if I can.:banghead:

Thanks guys
Gonzo

Deer Hunter
January 30, 2006, 11:24 PM
Doesn't the 610 have adjustable back sights?

Majic
January 30, 2006, 11:25 PM
Adjusting windage on fixed sighted revolvers have always been turning the barrel, bending front sight blade, or breaking out the files. Sometimes if you are lucky you may find a load that shoots to your POA.

Jim March
January 31, 2006, 12:10 AM
If it's leaning to the left, read Ayn Rand to it.

Gary A
January 31, 2006, 12:11 AM
Hey there, Gonzoinc. Wasn't trying to impugn your abilities as a shooter. As a matter of fact, if I could hit a 12" plate at 200 yards standing, offhand with my .357 I would lean very far to the right indeed and call it good. :)

MCgunner
January 31, 2006, 12:22 AM
Doesn't the 610 have adjustable back sights?

Yep, it does. But, the M10 don't. My hits a little left, too, but not THAT bad. I hit a couple inches left 25 yards and have learned to Kentucky windage the thing. I've regulated it some, filed the front sight as much as possible, but haven't touched the rear. Now, you guys have me thinking about fartin' with it again. :D

ribbonstone
January 31, 2006, 12:36 AM
Adjusting windage on fixed sighted revolvers have always been turning the barrel, bending front sight blade, or breaking out the files. Sometimes if you are lucky you may find a load that shoots to your POA.


Better off not turning the barrel...that front lug neds to be alingned with the ejector rod to work right, and the old pinned barrels kind of resent being turned.

I personally cannnot stand a leaning front sight...just bugs he devil out of me...the front sight is what you really focus on, and if it leans you tend to straigten it up, so end up leaning the handgun.

IF you are dead sure you want 2.5" of windage dialed in, then this is my cure:

1. I cut a shim the exact profile of the front sight.
2. Will solder it to the propriate side of the front sight...if you made it a near perfect profile, will mate up well.

You've just created a too-wide front sight. Now you can file the sight blade for whatever windage you desire and not have it come up too thin at the end. A little cold blue, a bit of soldering black, and a small needle file to extend the grooving across the new section of sight face...looks fine.

Do ti right, and it won't be noticable until you examin it closely...and even then, it's a neater fix than bending the sight or turning the barrel in or out.

HSMITH
January 31, 2006, 01:02 AM
Assuming a 7" or so sight radius of a 4" barrel a correction of .015" on the front sight is needed for 2" at 25 yards. That isn't much, and should be pretty easy to get out of barrel clocking without hurting any of the alignments.

P. Plainsman
January 31, 2006, 08:12 PM
S&W Mod 10 leans to the left

Jim March stole my line, :D though I would recommend Russell Kirk's The Conservative Mind instead.

Gonzoinc
January 31, 2006, 10:09 PM
Ribbonstone...I like your idea best, so far

Thanks for all the suggestions on the fine reads
anything out there by Feinstein, or Kennedy?:scrutiny:

steveno
February 1, 2006, 06:47 AM
I would set it next to the radio when RUSH is on and after about 3 hours it will be shooting just about right

ruger357
February 3, 2006, 10:42 AM
Call S&W (1-800-331-0852) and tell them what's going on. Chances are they will tell you to send it in and make it right for you. I just had a firing pin break on my 20 year old M67. Called them up and they sent me a free UPS next day shipping label. Had it back in a week and a half fixed free of charge.

MCgunner
February 3, 2006, 10:50 AM
Call S&W (1-800-331-0852) and tell them what's going on. Chances are they will tell you to send it in and make it right for you. I just had a firing pin break on my 20 year old M67. Called them up and they sent me a free UPS next day shipping label. Had it back in a week and a half fixed free of charge.

WOW, you can't beat THAT for customer service!

CAS700850
February 3, 2006, 11:27 AM
Had the same thing happen with a 15 year old Model 422, with the same results. Plus, they replaced a missing grip screw at no cost, without my asking.

ruger357
February 3, 2006, 12:29 PM
Can't beat thier customer service. I forgot to mention I bought that 67 used.

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