[colt.45]

i have searched and searched but have yet to find U.S. military 30-06 ammo on the net. i need ammo for my garand and im tired of spending $12 a box:eek: does anybody know where to find the U.S. stuff, or even just a good deal on plinking ammo, i need help:banghead:

[Gunsnrovers]

I paid $230 for 960 rounds of Lake City delivered by the CMP.

That comes to just under $0.24/round.

Not a screaming deal, but not bad.

[colt.45]

but i dont need 1000 rounds and i dont want to spend my life savings:( i would rather have something in the $50-$150 range

[TrafficMan]

any of that Korean Surplus stuff available anywhere? I think some of it even comes on Garand Clips and by all accounts it's decent stuff...

[byf43]

Try Natchez Shooters Supply, or Sportsman's guide for military stuff.

Also, Federal's "American Eagle" ammo is good Garand fodder.

[Father Knows Best]

CMP sells Greek HXP that is supposed to be pretty good. It is packed in 8 round clips/bandoliers in spam cans, or in 20 round boxes in spam cans. A can of 192 rounds in clips and bandoliers goes for $45 at the CMP store. A case of 4 cans (768 rounds total) is $168 plus $38 shipping. A case of 480 rounds packed in 20 round boxes is $100 plus $17 shipping.

[TexasRifleman]

any of that Korean Surplus stuff available anywhere? I think some of it even comes on Garand Clips and by all accounts it's decent stuff...


I shoot that in my BAR, it's good stuff (most of the lots). There have been reports of one or 2 bad lot numbers but they are all well documented if you search around online.

Sportsmans Guide has it either in En Bloc clips or boxes.

They show 400 rounds in boxes for about 90 bucks and 192 rounds for 35 in En Bloc clips.

They also have 400 round boxes of tracer for 125. Ohhh, I need some of that!:evil:

[MyKeySee]

I bought my milsup from J&G sales in AZ because the shipping was right for the west coast. I think I paid about $96 to my door.:) I reload so it has been awhile since I have bought any.

[perpster]

What is the cause and difference between .30-06 rounds that are/aren't magnetic? Is there any practical reason to choose one over the other? I know I read a blog on a rifle school in Nevada that rejected magnetic ammo brought by students, but the blog didn't give the reason for such rejection. Anybody know?

[perpster]

FYI, I contacted Sportman's Guide and the Korean surplus .30-06 ammo they're selling at a good price (Item # WX2-98570) IS CORROSIVE (and non-magnetic). The webpage doesn't tell you about either of these factors.

[Father Knows Best]

FYI, I contacted Sportman's Guide and the Korean surplus .30-06 ammo they're selling at a good price (Item # WX2-98570) IS CORROSIVE (and non-magnetic). The webpage doesn't tell you about either of these factors.

You need to be careful about the Korean surplus. Some of it is corrosive, and some isn't. From what I remember, the Pu San Arsenal is non-corrosive (headstamp PS). The other arsenal is corrosive, but I don't remember the headstamp. Can anyone comfirm/deny?

I also wonder about the magnetic/non-magnetic thing. Why do ranges care whether the bullet attracts a magnet?

[perpster]

From what I remember, the Pu San Arsenal is non-corrosive (headstamp PS). The other arsenal is corrosive, but I don't remember the headstamp. Can anyone comfirm/deny?

The Sportsman's Guide Korean surplus is "KA" headstamp and corrosive, if that helps you remember.

[TexasRifleman]

The Sportsman's Guide Korean surplus is "KA" headstamp and corrosive, if that helps you remember.

Yep. They have "PS" headstamp now and then too, I bought a whole mess of it last year. That's the one you want.....

I also wonder about the magnetic/non-magnetic thing. Why do ranges care whether the bullet attracts a magnet?

Because some of those geniuses equate magnetic with being armor piercing. There's one around me, I tried to argue but he made me too tired...

[perpster]

FWIW, I did the math, including price and shipping. For 768 rounds:

CMP: .27/round (non-corrosive, magnetic; Greek surplus)

SG: .249/round (corrosive, non-magnetic; Korean surplus)

Both are shipped in enbloc clips in bandoliers in ammo boxes.

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=213903

http://estore.odcmp.com/store/catalog/catalog.aspx?pg=product&ID=407-CASE&item=&sfv=&cat=AMC&desc=&udc=&mct=&vndr=&ba=&pmin=&pmax=&note1=&note2=&note3=&note4=&note5=&max=

[perpster]

I also wonder about the magnetic/non-magnetic thing. Why do ranges care whether the bullet attracts a magnet?

I'm still wondering about this; anyone know? Heck, wouldn't magnetic be easier to clean up--just use a magnet??

[TexasRifleman]

That's too bad they are out of the PS stuff. It has been REALLY great shooting ammo.

If that is the case then CMP is the way to go for sure.

[Father Knows Best]

That's too bad they are out of the PS stuff. It has been REALLY great shooting ammo.

If that is the case then CMP is the way to go for sure.

That's the way I look at it. I picked up 1,000 rounds of the Korean PS a few years back, and a case of Lake City 72 from CMP last year. As near as I can tell, the Korean PS is just as good, but I'm getting low on it.

I'll probably try some of the CMP Greek stuff next.

[perpster]

That's the way I look at it. I picked up 1,000 rounds of the Korean PS a few years back, and a case of Lake City 72 from CMP last year. As near as I can tell, the Korean PS is just as good, but I'm getting low on it.

I'll probably try some of the CMP Greek stuff next.


I don't doubt that Korean or Greek are equivalent. I think the key concern is corrosive vs. non-corrosive. Also whether magnetic or not, if that really matters for other than armor-piercing misconception.

Perhaps the rifle schools don't want students missing due to the effect of the earth's magnetic field on a magnetic bullet. :confused:

[MechAg94]

www.AIMSurplus.com is the one I bought my Korean PS headstamp from if my memory is working right. The site is blocked at work or I would check. They have decent prices on lots of other ammo as well. The PS headstamp was advertised as non-corrosive and works well for me.

I bought a case of Lake City as well. Will CMP ship ammo to someone who has not bought a rifle? I had already bought an 03A3 at that time so it was just an internet order.

[perpster]

I bought a case of Lake City as well. Will CMP ship ammo to someone who has not bought a rifle? I had already bought an 03A3 at that time so it was just an internet order.

I think they'll sell to you whether or not you bought a rifle, but you might have to be a CMP affiliate member. Take a look at www.ocdmp.com and check the requirements.

[MechAg94]

Okay, that makes sense. No problem for me at least. :)

[Frandy]

I think they'll sell to you whether or not you bought a rifle, but you might have to be a CMP affiliate member. Take a look at www.ocdmp.com and check the requirements.
Yes, true. You don't need to buy a rifle. You do need to be a member of an affiliate and show evidence of that. I am a member of the NC Rifle and Pistol Club (admittedly, all I do is pay dues - i did it to get the affiliation), sent an e-mail with a scan of my membership card and there ya go - 768 rounds of Greek now in my hands. :D

[ocabj]

Did someone say .30-06 M2 ammo from the CMP?

http://www.ocabj.net/gallery/usgi_lc67
http://www.ocabj.net/gallery/greek_hxp67_1104
http://www.ocabj.net/gallery/greek_hxp62_4008

BTW: Get the Greek over the LC. More accurate and higher velocity. Brass is cleaner and you don't need to swage the primer pockets.

[Kevlarman]

Yes, as stated previously, the Korean ammo with the KA headstamp is corrosive. It's usually loaded into enbloc clips and comes in a 48-round bandoleer. The PS headstamp stuff usually comes in 20-round boxes. It is (supposedly) non-corrosive.

Now, I've read from some people that their PS stuff is magnetic. Off the 800 rounds that I (once) had, none were magnetic. Methinks this has to do with the different production dates.

The ranges here in Socal frown on magnetic ammo not because of they possible AP aspect, but because magnetic ammo usually has some sort of steel in the jacket, and the rangemasters do not want to risk a spark and possible wildfire in our dry climate.

EDIT:
I've never tried the Greek ammo mentioned here (I'm at work so I can't click the link to see). I've tried the new production Olympic brand ammo, which is Greek correct? Worst stuff I've ever used! None of it would operate my M1 correctly. I think it was loaded to hire than M2 Ball specs, because the muzzle flash was brilliant and I always had failures to extract. There has never been a problem with either the KA or PS Korean ammo.

One of these days I'm gonna splurge for a case of Lake City. :D

[Deer Hunter]

I remember seeing bulk 30-06 ammo in Cabela's magazine numerous times. Might want to see what http://www.cabelas.com has to offer.

[ocabj]

I've never tried the Greek ammo mentioned here (I'm at work so I can't click the link to see). I've tried the new production Olympic brand ammo, which is Greek correct? Worst stuff I've ever used! None of it would operate my M1 correctly. I think it was loaded to hire than M2 Ball specs, because the muzzle flash was brilliant and I always had failures to extract. There has never been a problem with either the KA or PS Korean ammo.

One of these days I'm gonna splurge for a case of Lake City. :D

Olympic Ammo and Greek HXP are totally different. Greek HXP is military contracted ammunition. Built to true M2 specifications. Competitors were issued Greek HXP instead of LC at the November 2005 CMP Western Games. No one had any problems that I know about. I shot 275-1x with HXP 72.

The Olympic ammo probably shoots a M2 velocity, but the powder they use is much slower than M2 spec and is the reason why it is problematic (for the Garand gas system).

[perpster]

The ranges here in Socal frown on magnetic ammo not because of they possible AP aspect, but because magnetic ammo usually has some sort of steel in the jacket, and the rangemasters do not want to risk a spark and possible wildfire in our dry climate.


Hmmm. Maybe the Boy Scouts should add this to the ways of making a fire. Would sure beating twirling a pointed stick forever. :uhoh:

[perpster]

Did someone say .30-06 M2 ammo from the CMP?

http://www.ocabj.net/gallery/usgi_lc67
http://www.ocabj.net/gallery/greek_hxp67_1104
http://www.ocabj.net/gallery/greek_hxp62_4008

BTW: Get the Greek over the LC. More accurate and higher velocity. Brass is cleaner and you don't need to swage the primer pockets.

Nice pix! But, you neglected to give us a decent shot of the shipping label (so we'd know where to go for some extra ammo)!!! ;)

[Frandy]

Oh yeah...it was fun when I got my CMP Greek ammo! :D

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=32025&d=1133394753

[Kevlarman]

Hmm, should I go for the LC or the Greek stuff?

Help me choose! :p

LC is a bit more expensive, but doesn't attract a magnet.

Greek is cheaper, comes on clips, but does attract a magnet. Plus, opening those spam cans looks like fun!

Doh! What to do???

[perpster]

Hmm, should I go for the LC or the Greek stuff?

Help me choose! :p

LC is a bit more expensive, but doesn't attract a magnet.

Greek is cheaper, comes on clips, but does attract a magnet. Plus, opening those spam cans looks like fun!

Doh! What to do???

It all sounds like Greek to me! :D

[Reyn]

Someone educate me on the corrosive vs non corrosive. I ordered some of the Sportsman guide stuff but hasnt arrived yet. My luck finding this tread 2 days later. Will it mess the gun up or does it mean you have to clean more often? Do i need to just chunk this stuff and count is a lesson learned?

[MechAg94]

From what I understand, it can harm your gun if you don't clean it after firing. There are corrosive salts that can deposit in the barrel and can cause corrosion if left there. Cleaning after shooting is more important; at least the barrel and throat at a minimum. Some people say to flush the barrel with hot water or with window cleaner to dissolve and remove the salts. At a minimun, a good cleaning is required.

[gonzo_beyondo]

Someone educate me on the corrosive vs non corrosive. I ordered some of the Sportsman guide stuff but hasnt arrived yet. My luck finding this tread 2 days later. Will it mess the gun up or does it mean you have to clean more often? Do i need to just chunk this stuff and count is a lesson learned?

I think people get a little TOO worried about corrosive ammo.
For sure, it can really do a number on your gun, but that does not happen overnight!

One thing that people like to argue about, is what you do as preventative maintenance in the first place. Do you shoot your rifles bone dry? Me, I like to wipe everything down with Militec-1. The day I purchase a firearm I strip it, clean it, then lightly lube everything. When the metal heats up, Militec bonds quite well to the surface. Its my belief that this will definitely help retard corrosion. It also makes cleaning easier.

If I go out and shoot a few boxes of corrosive milsurp, I don't get all panicky about it.. when I get home from the range, I strip my rifle and clean it good, as I normally would, and then I lube everything lightly.

Putting 1,000 rounds of corrosive ammo through a dry rifle and then sticking it in the closet till next year is a bad idea. :uhoh:

I would avoid buying corrosive ammo, unless it was much cheaper than say Wolf, in which case I'd gladly buy it and not sweat it. Clean good! You should always clean good anyhow.

Think about it... lots of the milsurp rifles we buy never shot anything BUT corrosive ammo, through multiple wars on multiple continents sometimes... and still lots of them go out with us these days and make for fine shooters :)

[MechAg94]

No disagreement there gonzo. I was thinking that yould shouldn't let it sit for a week, you should clean within a day or so. At the very least, clean out the barrel.

I have a mosin that I let sit a week. It doesn't really have any corrosion, but the bore is not quite as shiny as it used to be.

[meanc]

Does anyone here have ballistic info on these?

I've heard these make good brass for reloads. Is that true? And if so what problems do you see with just removing the ball bullet and replacing it with some SP hunting bullets, and using the existing powder?

To me the difference in corrosive and non corrosive is negligible, all you have to do is shoot bore cleaner down the pipe and action, wait a few minutes, and give it a good regular scrubbing. Then hit it with some CLP.

[ocabj]

Does anyone here have ballistic info on these?

I've heard these make good brass for reloads. Is that true? And if so what problems do you see with just removing the ball bullet and replacing it with some SP hunting bullets, and using the existing powder?

To me the difference in corrosive and non corrosive is negligible, all you have to do is shoot bore cleaner down the pipe and action, wait a few minutes, and give it a good regular scrubbing. Then hit it with some CLP.

Velocity for Greek HXP 67 averaged around 2850 fps 10 ft from the muzzle.

Velocity for LC 67 averaged around 2600 fps 10 ft from the muzzle.

LC 67 uses an extruded powder. All the Greek HXP I seen uses a very very fine ball powder. Whatever it is, it looks like it would meter great out of a powder measure.

As far as pulling bullets off M2 and replacing them with soft points, yes, this is safe as long as you use a bullet with equivalent weight. M2 ball is 152gr, but you will be fine with a 150gr soft point.

[meanc]

Accuracy wise how do these perform?

I'm not worried about 500yd 2" groups but would they at least do 2 1/2 " - 3" at 200yds. Which is more than adequate for just about any hunting scenario I can think of.

[ocabj]

Accuracy wise how do these perform?

I'm not worried about 500yd 2" groups but would they at least do 2 1/2 " - 3" at 200yds. Which is more than adequate for just about any hunting scenario I can think of.

I know they're good enough to hold the 10 ring on an SR target from a Garand. I've shot some 1.5" groups with HXP out of my 03A3 at 100 yards. I've never shot M2 out of a scoped rifle before, so I couldn't tell you what kind of groups to expect.

[perpster]

Olympic Ammo and Greek HXP are totally different. Greek HXP is military contracted ammunition. Built to true M2 specifications. Competitors were issued Greek HXP instead of LC at the November 2005 CMP Western Games. No one had any problems that I know about.

Odd how CMP lists the Greek HXP as "commercial ammo" rather than milsurp. Not that it really matters; just curious.

[meanc]

I bow to you OCABJ !!!! Wandering blind thru the forest You are my beacon of hope. !!!!

I shall never buy Factory ammo ever again.

Thank you.

BTW 150gr is good enough for whitetail at about 150yds, RIGHT ??????

[colt.45]

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp;jsessionid=U3Q0G0T0XPPEJTQSNOFSCN4OCJVY2IWE?id=0018741214883a&type=product&cmCat=search&returnString=_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1&hasJS=true&_D%3AhasJS=+&%2Fcabelas%2Fcommerce%2FCabelasCatalogNumberFinder.giftCertificateURL=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Ftemplate&_requestid=73796

it says its korean but that its non corrosive:eek: is this possible? if so im buying it tomorrow:evil:

and i found this too. i wouldnt be too woried about corrosive ammo. just squirt lots of windex down there and run some paper towels through it. then give it a regular cleaning.

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/edu13.htm

[ocabj]

BTW 150gr is good enough for whitetail at about 150yds, RIGHT ??????
Honestly, I've never hunted before in my life. I'm a recreational/target/competition shooter. I can't give you solid info on this.

Odd how CMP lists the Greek HXP as "commercial ammo" rather than milsurp. Not that it really matters; just curious.
It's listed as commercial because they actually paid for the ammo. LC is surplus because it was surplused to the CMP via the US military under the DCM/CMP program.

[TexasRifleman]

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp;jsessionid=U3Q0G0T0XPPEJTQSNOFSCN4OCJVY2IWE?id=0018741214883a&type=product&cmCat=search&returnString=_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1&hasJS=true&_D%3AhasJS=+&%2Fcabelas%2Fcommerce%2FCabelasCatalogNumberFinder.giftCertificateURL=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Ftemplate&_requestid=73796

it says its korean but that its non corrosive:eek: is this possible? if so im buying it tomorrow:evil:

[/url]

That is what I shoot. It is lot "PS" as you can see from the can. If that is what you receive then it does NOT use corrosive primer compounds. This is the stuff Sportsmans Guide used to carry.

I have shot literally thousands of rounds of it through my BAR and it is great stuff.

Thanks for posting this! I have to call my local Cabelas and see if they have any.

[perpster]

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp;jsessionid=U3Q0G0T0XPPEJTQSNOFSCN4OCJVY2IWE?id=0018741214883a&type=product&cmCat=search&returnString=_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1&hasJS=true&_D%3AhasJS=+&%2Fcabelas%2Fcommerce%2FCabelasCatalogNumberFinder.giftCertificateURL=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Ftemplate&_requestid=73796


Am I missing something here? I did the math, including shipping and weight surcharge, and the Cabelas stuff comes out to .289/round for 400 rounds, .2734/round for 800 rounds. It comes in a plastic "dry container". The CMP Greek, which gets good shooting reviews, is .27/round for 768 rounds IN CLIPS AND BANDOLIERS IN AMMO CANS. Why go for anything besides the CMP if this is the case (and the non-clipped and bandoliered CMP is even cheaper).

What's this city boy not understanding??

[TexasRifleman]

What's this city boy not understanding??


Well for me it's because I'll pick it up in person or not at all, so it should be cheaper.

If it's not in the store I wont' buy it.

That way I can inspect it, and see the lot #.

With the Korean PS there are a couple of lot #s that have had a high number of case head seperations so it's something to watch out for.

I've shot tons of it and I know how it behaves.

I've no experience with the Greek in my gun.

[Father Knows Best]

Am I missing something here? I did the math, including shipping and weight surcharge, and the Cabelas stuff comes out to .289/round for 400 rounds, .2734/round for 800 rounds. It comes in a plastic "dry container". The CMP Greek, which gets good shooting reviews, is .27/round for 768 rounds IN CLIPS AND BANDOLIERS IN AMMO CANS. Why go for anything besides the CMP if this is the case (and the non-clipped and bandoliered CMP is even cheaper).

What's this city boy not understanding??

I'm not sure where you get the "plastic dry container" bit. The Cabela's listing says it comes in a "military suplus ammo can" and the picture clearly shows the steel ammo can marked "400 cartridges ball M2 in cartons cal .30" and "LOT PS".

That's the same stuff I recommended above. I used to have close to 1,000 rounds of it. I'm down to a lot less now. Mine came packed the same way (in 20 round boxes, 20 boxes to a steel ammo can). The headstamp is PS. It's excellent ammo.

I'd like to try the Greek stuff, and I'm tempted to get more of the Korean PS, but I think I need to shoot up some more of what I have, first. I've got about 2,000 rounds of .30-06 on hand, close to 8,000 rounds of 7.62x51 and 4,000 of 7.62x39. My wife is accusing me of being worse than one of those little old ladies with 100 cats and 40 years of magazines in the house -- it's just that I have a pathological need to buy and store ammo.

[heypete]

FYI, I contacted Sportman's Guide and the Korean surplus .30-06 ammo they're selling at a good price (Item # WX2-98570) IS CORROSIVE (and non-magnetic). The webpage doesn't tell you about either of these factors.

Yeah, I was grouchy because the photo for that stuff showed the "PS" headstamped ammo cartons, while the ammo that came was "KA" stamped and corrosive.

Of course, I bought this a few days before I was going to take my M1 to Front Sight, so that caused some headaches (evidently it was magnetic), so I had to buy 300 rounds of .30-06 Federal American Eagle for about $250. Yeek. Being ripped off is never fun.

[bearmgc]

Sportsmans' Guide also sells the Wolf Gold Line ammo- 30-06 for $8.17/box of 20. or $7.76 if you're a club member. This is soft point, boxer primed with reloadable brass. Another place, I have gotten 30-06 150gr sp and 165gr sp, that I used in my Garand from Hunting Shack Ammunition in Montana. Very decent stuff, good variety of ammo available, and weekly specials. I even used the stuff on 2 deer, 2 bang flops. You can buy a box or a bunch. And on some calibers, get credit on turned in fired brass toward your purchase.

[colt.45]

City boy? City boy you say? pshhhh seeriously dude im not woried about .000001 cents:D and i want it in smaller quanities. i think ill just buy the corrosive stuff from cheaper than dirt.

[JAG2955]

Thanks for the advice, but get this:

Since my BILLING address is in Maryland, and apparently too close to Washington D.C., Sportsmans Guide won't ship it to my SHIPPING address in PENNSYLVANIA!!

(he says as the red curtain of blood descends over his eyes.):cuss:

I did get a $5 coupon from them, so I think that I'll use it on the same item, but using a different credit card. Doom on you, Sportsmans Guide.
:cuss:

[Skipper]

CMP, although the FNM from Coles is superb at $220 per 1000. Sadly they've been out of it for a few months now.
SKIP :(

[perpster]

I'm not sure where you get the "plastic dry container" bit. The Cabela's listing says it comes in a "military suplus ammo can" and the picture clearly shows the steel ammo can marked "400 cartridges ball M2 in cartons cal .30" and "LOT PS".

My wife is accusing me of being worse than one of those little old ladies with 100 cats and 40 years of magazines in the house -- it's just that I have a pathological need to buy and store ammo.

Sorry about that plastic vs ammo can mistake. I was thinking of another ammo seller's website (I can't remember which one at this senior moment).

Well, Dad, let your wife know that your ammo isn't leaving little organic presents laying around the house. Your need isn't pathological--when you NEED to buy ammo it will already be too late to do so (at least that's what I'm telling MY wife, but she's not going for it either :( ).

[perpster]

City boy? City boy you say?

Ooops. Sorry. That was a typo. It should have said "Sissy Boy". :D

[runninmike]

This is the best place I've found. AWESOME PRICES ON ALL AMMO,
and many, many obsolete calibers here too.
Federal-American under $8 for box of 20, Miwall under that. The Miwall brand is very good plinking ammo. Clean and accurate.
This will lead you right to their 30-06 ammo...they also have alot of 30-06 that is even cheaper than $5 per 20 rnd.

http://www.outdoormarksman.com/index.php?cPath=65_63_38


Best-MC

[perpster]

The Miwall brand is very good plinking ammo. Clean and accurate.

Is this true for their handgun ammo, too? Specifically I'm thinking of .357 magnum (& maybe .38 special).

[runninmike]

I buy their .41 & .44 magnum ammo, and it is new brass and shoots great.
Much cheaper to practice with for the magnum stuff but is good.
Best-MC