In praise of the good old .30-30


December 21, 2002, 01:11 AM
I've been enjoying the relatively few days of hunting I've managed to fit in this season, what with starting a new job just before opening day, moving to a new home, etc., etc. Weather hasn't helped, either... too many days either too hot for the deer to want to move, or too cold for me to want to be out there!

Still, for the kind of hunting we get down here in Louisiana, I'm more and more impressed by the good old .30-30. I've got, and use, more modern cartridges in more modern rifle designs, but at the short to medium ranges we most often encounter, in the wooded environment of Central Louisiana, the .30-30 and lever-action rifle SHINE! Very fast to handle and reload; quick acquisition of sights; light and compact; manageable recoil; pretty devastating impact on the receiving end of the round... this rifle/round combination seems just the perfect balance for this sort of hunting.

I've been using two .30-30's this year. The first is employed from a stand, either early in the morning or late afternoon/early evening. It's a 24" octagonal-barrel Marlin 336 Cowboy version. I've mounted a Tasco World Class Plus 4x44 fixed-power scope on it, and the low power and wide bell really help in picking up the target in the low light of dawn or dusk. It's also extremely accurate - the first lever-action I've owned that will shoot sub-MOA groups at 100 yards. I'm sure the heavier octagonal barrel and deep-cut Ballard-type rifling have a lot to do with that.

The second is a standard 20"-barrel Marlin 336, to which I've fitted the Express Sights Scout scope mount, and topped it with a Leupold 2.5x Scout Scope. It's perfect for woods stalking, being short, light and compact. The Scout scope is the fastest target-acquisition scope I've ever used, and it really brings the short .30-30 rifle/carbine into a new level of usefulness. (By the way, don't believe those folks who tell you that with the low power and long eye relief of a Scout scope, you can't hit anything at any reasonable distance... I've made shots at well over 200 yards with this type of scope, on a .308, and found it no trouble at all.)

I've seen many, many hunters out there with modern, up-to-date rifles and high-power scopes: but none of them have had more success, or had it more easily, than I have with the good old lever-actions and the .30-30 round...

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December 21, 2002, 01:39 AM
Bow, spear, sling, rifle or whatever.
Takes a hunter to make the weapon work.
Skill and mindset.
A rifleman/hunter with a Nagant will eat well.
While the tyro with a Weatherby has to buy take out.


Marko Kloos
December 21, 2002, 10:54 AM
A rifleman/hunter with a Nagant will eat well.
While the tyro with a Weatherby has to buy take out.

And that sums up the Shooter Vs. Equipment debate in a most concise manner.

That C.R.Sam guy, he's right smart. :D

December 21, 2002, 01:07 PM
Not smart....
Observent with lot of time behind me.

A good man always makes a good gun perform better.


December 21, 2002, 03:26 PM
Preacherman, do you feel the extra 4" gives you extra "oomph" enough to justify the extra ounces and length? Or does that octagonal barrel give you a pleasantly barrel-forward balance?

December 21, 2002, 08:29 PM
The latter... it's noticeably heavier than the standard 20" Marlin, but the weight is in the right place. The thin handguard on the Cowboy models is fine once you're used to it (very like the Winchesters), but feels strange if you're used to the fatter handguard on the standard 336. I'm very impressed with the heavier-barrel Marlin, and only wish they would bring out a 20" octagonal barrel with the Ballard-type rifling as well. I think it would be a real improvement over the standard barrel. I suspect the added "stiffness" of the heavy barrel is what lends accuracy to the Cowboy model, as much as the length.

Johnny Guest
December 22, 2002, 12:13 AM
It is surely sold short by a lot of people, but the cartridge has been a good one for over a century, and the basic launching platform has even more history!

Only thing about the octagonal barrel is that it is so HEAVY. :p I do understand what you're saying about the steadiness and stiffness of your long barreled rifle. I just never liked the extra weight in the short tubes.

I have one friend who went the scout scope mount on a 20" barrel Marlin, too. While the work was being done, he had the gunsmith slim down the bulky Marlin fore end to about Winchester dimensions, and it really, REALLY, changed the feel for the better. It is the type of do-it-yourself project I can manage--A wood rasp, a sanding block with various grits of paper, and some linseed oil is all it takes.

What kind of ammo do you use in your Marlins?


December 22, 2002, 12:22 AM
I use the Remington Core-Lokt rounds - tried, tested and very effective! I've also used the Winchester hollow-points on smaller game. I tend to stick with 150gr. bullet weights, as they do all one needs to do on whitetail. For heavier game, I'd move up to the 170gr.

Instead of thinning down the fore-end of the Marlins, you can, of course, simply buy the appropriate Cowboy-model fore-end from Marlin. They're not very expensive, and this saves you a lot of work. One of my pet thoughts is to take a standard Marlin 336 and fit it with the straight buttstock and fore-end of the Cowboy model. This would necessitate straightening the metal on the frame where the stock is bolted in, but I think that a competent gunsmith shouldn't find this too difficult. Anyone else like the idea?

Al Thompson
December 22, 2002, 08:24 AM
Marlin used to make one like that, sans the slim fore-end. The name was "Marauder" - I have one in .22LR.

My next lever gun will be a .45-70 unless I can get a screaming deal on a .30-30.

December 22, 2002, 08:51 AM
Try the "Cowboy" model of the Marlin 1895. Following my good experience with this version of the 336, I'm busy with a .45-70 "project gun" right now. I bought the 1895 Cowboy, with its 26" octagonal barrel, but I want something a bit faster-handling for snap shots in heavy brush and forest (we have plenty of that here!) I'm shortening the barrel to 22", and the magazine tube also (which still gives me a full-length magazine, unlike the circumcised version in the Guide Gun and the original 1895 - I like as much mag. capacity as I can get in a dangerous-game gun). I'll have an action job done, and fit ghost-ring sights (I had originally thought of the Express Sights version, but am now looking at Jim Brockman's and Wild West Gun's versions - they're just much more expensive than ES, so they may have to wait...). I'll also fit a Kick-Eez pad. (I must post a separate thread about these - just got one for testing, and I'm VERY impressed with the recoil reduction.) Should be a wonderful brush gun, and if I'm in an area "controlled" by large things with teeth, the Garrett Hammerheads in .45-70 should see me home at night.

December 23, 2002, 12:00 AM
Nothing the matter with a lever gun or the .30-30 - except for a limited range.

That & the iron sights which also limits the range.

For all, I've gravitated to a Rem M7, .308 w/2X8 scope. 2X gives a wonderful sight picture/field of view for close in + great light gathering (older eyes, you know). The variable allows for more precison further out as does the .308's better trajectory/punch for longer shots.

Not a Scout rifle, but a very all 'round package without going $-wise silly & still take most anything 48-wise.

Slower on a follow-up than a lever, fer sure, but how many ya need? ;)

December 23, 2002, 01:31 PM
Good to see you guys here.

Since my 'first' high powered rifle was a 30-30 I still have a fondness for it. While the old hands at elk camp would caution you to "be sure of your shot" and "shoot twice" with that "iffy" cartridge.

Well it seems to me that being sure of your shot and being ready for a follow-up is good advice if you are carrying a .22 or a .470.

The Marlin 336 I carried as a teenager is still going to elk camp as a back up rifle (and we've needed it a time or two) and we still stoke it with 170 grain ammunition. Out to 200 yards it's a good rifle, beyond 250 it starts dropping like a rock. (Even had one young man borrow it for an antelope hunt... sucessfully) We'd just sight it in to be 2 inches high at 100 yards and call it good to go.

The old 30-30 may well be underpowered, and fly like a football, but it's far from obsolete. Plenty of big game has dropped to the humble 30-30.

It's not a cartridge that brags, but the hunter carrying one may indeed have bragging rights back at camp.

December 23, 2002, 11:10 PM
I've got my granddad's old 94. It is the carbine and I have hunted with it since I got out of the Army in 1972. This year I got a bolt action .270 with a scope. The eyes aren't the same ant the 94 has a peep sight.

Stephen A. Camp
December 24, 2002, 02:15 PM
Hello, Johnny! Como Esta?

Count me in as a fan of the .30-30 for brush work, shooting hogs, or just when I want something with a bit more reach than a handgun.

That said, I prefer my .30-30 to be small and convenient as I plan to use it only for "close range" shooting.

I understand that essentially the same features I paid for back when I had Lou Williamson do this Marlin can now be had straight from Marlin.

My one .30-30:


December 24, 2002, 02:24 PM
I've been thinking about finding a derelict Winchester Model 94, getting it matte nickel plated, and adding synthetic furniture. Not quite stainless steel, but still utilitarian.

One of the few regrets of my divorce was that I signed over a certain .30-30 to my ex-wife. It was a Savage Model 340 bolt action, with a couple spare box magazines. I had glass-bedded the action and honed the trigger. Darned thing was a deer-getter, and a kick in the pants to shoot accurately. I'll miss that gun. :(

December 24, 2002, 03:04 PM
Good old cartridge which, despites its many 'shortcomings' such as low velocity, poor long range performance etc has killed oodles and oodles of deer and continues to do so every season.

December 24, 2002, 03:51 PM
The good old Marlin 30-30 is still my favorite companion in the deer stand. Here in SW GA, my hunting is mostly in hardwood creek bottoms surrounded by planted pines and my longest shot is < 100 yards. The Marlin is perfect for these conditions.

However, I may not be entirely objective about Marlin lever actions. I have 3 (a 336CS and 2 1894s), 2 of my sons have 30-30s, and my wife has an 1894 in .44 mag. (How cool is it to have a wife that hunts and owns her own guns? Married 24 years and never regretted it for a second.)

Stephen A. Camp
December 24, 2002, 04:56 PM
Hello. The finish on the gun's actually a dull, matte, black that appears shinier and brighter than it really is due to the flash. The rifle was black parkerized.


December 24, 2002, 05:33 PM
I really enjoy my 30-30's, I have 6 or so fo them and they all shoot very well with the cast bullets that I love to make and shoot in them. I have 2 Rem.788's in 30-30 that are fine shooters and are perfect cast bullet rifles. The others are versions of the same theme. Win 94's with open sights. From long barrells to the short little Trapper lengths. It is just MHO That every one should own at least 1 good 30-30 and a good 357, and a 12ga. shotgun, anything else is just Gravy. :D

December 24, 2002, 05:41 PM
*sniff * I wish that my Winchester model 94 Ranger looked as cool as gun that Stephen posted..:D

December 24, 2002, 07:50 PM
There are a many a deer in the Tunica Hills that were dropped by the 30-30 and 35 Remington...................probably as many or more than other cartridges combined. up to 125 yards or so they are hard to beat!

December 24, 2002, 07:53 PM
My first rifle was a 94 Winchester30-30 carbine.. Paid $64.00 new and he threw in a box of shells..
I was 12.. That was the hardest kicking rifle I ever owned.. Sold it to a sheepherder that worked for a neighboring outfit for $65.00
He said Iyee chewahwah.. That Trienta trienta he shoots like a bomb!!!

I inherited a 94 rifle with an octagonal barrel, that belonged to a feller that spent a lot of time in the saddle in Wyoming and Montana at the turn of the century..(the last one)

There was quiet talk among older family members, about the owner being in some serious social engagments of the fatal kind, but nobody would ever elaborate on the details.

Something about disputes over "range maggots" or some such.... *G*

The rifle has a bead for a front sight and it is nearly worn away from riding in a saddle scabbard.
The rear sight doesn't have a notch and is non adjustable.. It is just a folding blade with a white triangle.. You put the bead at the top of the triangle at let'er rip.. It has it's limitations, but would ride well in a scabbard.

It shoots where you point it. If you learn the rifle and shoot within it's limitations, it'll make meat anytime you need it..

Beware of the man with only one gun..

December 25, 2002, 12:19 AM
Y'all are making me feel remorse for that clean pre-'64 I traded away years ago.

December 25, 2002, 12:35 AM
my 336 has ridden behind the seat of my truck since i bought it,the rifle that is.

charlie d
December 25, 2002, 12:51 AM
My first "high power rifle" was a 1948 vintage '94. It's a .32 Special, but almost the same thing and what I got in a trade. Still have it of course. ;)

December 25, 2002, 01:23 AM
I need a new rear sight for my Marlin 336W. I was adjusting the stock sight and burned myself on the barrel, causing me to lose that itty bitty screw.

I'd been meaning to replace that icky semibuckhorn with a peep sight anyway.

Any recommendations? Something easily adjustable and not too expensive.

Also, the front swing swivel on my 336 is kind of funny. It rotates 360*, like it's lose, but for the life of me it won't unscrew (I don't have a sling on the rifle, and want to just remove the swivels. I may just put a sling on there after all, but I dunno about that apparently loose front swivel).

December 25, 2002, 01:46 AM
For a quick and easy fix - check out Express Sights ( Used to be Ashley Express, then Ashley Outdoors. They make a nifty ghost ring sight for the Marlins. If you want a proper peep sight, as opposed to a ghost ring with its larger aperture, Williams makes one to fit the Marlin: check with Brownells (

Johnny Guest
December 25, 2002, 02:04 AM
Hola, Esteban. Muy bien, gracias, y usted?

I recall when you first brought that Marlin back from Fort Worth. Such a classy little item! Didn't take long to get it sighted in, as I recall. Makes a grand companion to your SMLE Scout, too.


3 gun
December 25, 2002, 02:13 AM
The Winchester 94 in 30-30. Good examples of "if it ain't broke don't fix it."

December 25, 2002, 04:12 AM
I don't hunt but I need to chime in for the 30-30 as a fun round, especially in combination with the rifles it is chambered in. It is reasonably powerful but in the light rifles made for it you really do feel its kick (something I kinda like). In the lever rifles made for it you really do feel tied into history in ways that not many other guns can (with the possible exception of single action revolvers). It is a very handy combination, makes for fun at the range. I just don't know what it is but this really is the rifle that brings out the most smiles out of me when I'm at the rifle range and to top it off it is among the cheaper full powered factory rounds (of course the 7.62x39 and the .223 are less).

December 25, 2002, 08:38 PM
Nothing finer than a 30/30 lever gun ...
a lot of dear would disagree!

December 26, 2002, 12:56 AM
I started deer huntin' with my dads Marlin 30-30 and I've liked them ever since.The main reason the bolt action big caiber guys put it down is because of the range limitation,but the majority of deer are taken within 100yds.

December 26, 2002, 01:52 AM
You know, the old-timers would be aghast at our referring to the .30-30 as having "limited range"... I've read a number of magazine articles, etc. from the 1890's and early 1900's, and the writers of the day were all over the .30-30, proclaiming it the finest cartridge ever invented for any North American game, up to and including grizzly bears! It was such a monumental improvement over the old black-powder calibers that they completely lost their heads over it. There are accounts of them taking whitetail at "over 300 yards" with the new "smokeless .30 caliber cartridge" (OK, those may have been early gunwriter yards! :D ). Thing is, the much higher velocity, and much flatter trajectory, achieved by the new-fangled smokeless powders made the .30-30 about twice as efficient as any deer cartridge that had preceded it. Only with the advent of the .30-'06 was the .30-30 clearly outclassed.

I've used the .30-30 at ranges out to 150 yards with no trouble at all, using a MPBR sight setup, and it works just fine. Since most of our ranges in the heavy woods and thickets of central Louisiana are probably well under 100 yards, this is no handicap at all...

As a matter of fact, the good old flat-nosed .30-30 bullets, with their exposed lead tips, seem to do a very good job indeed on whitetail, in terms of terminal performance. More modern bullets often seem to penetrate all the way through, without expanding unless they hit something solid. The good ol' .30-30 powers on through, but the bullets expand very reliably.

December 26, 2002, 10:08 AM
yup.. The old timers, me included thought nothing of taking and antelope or dumping a coyote at 150 yards with a 30-30 Carbine.

Nobody ever saw 30-30 rifle so the carbine was considered a rifle by all but a few collectors..

The rifle I have will truly reach out and touch somebody if I do my part..

Even the carbine will kill most game at "reaonable " ranges and if the shooter is hunter enough to do his part and put the shot where it belongs..

Too many people today substitute Magnum for Skill...

My favorite hunting gun is a 1873 Springfield Trapdoor..

People just look at me funny, but the meat tastes good even if it hasn't been magnumized...:)

December 26, 2002, 01:55 PM
The old Turdy-Turdy probably has still killed more deer than any other cartridge

December 26, 2002, 02:51 PM
You know...firearm companies & wildcatters have spent countless hours and vast amounts of money to create cartridges that, in the end, don't match up to the effectiveness & handling of the .30-30.

The .30-06 came close, but it's hard to put in a light lever-gun...

December 27, 2002, 10:04 AM
Howdy All
In praise of the 30-30. The two best elk hunters I ever knew were my Grandpa and his life long friend Fritz. Grandpa used a Win saddle ring carbine. Fritz was left handed and used an old Marlin. I have seen them shoot from oposite sides of the same tree. They are long gone now and I still have both rifles. Still enjoy shooting them. 30-30 will never be obsolete.

December 27, 2002, 10:26 AM
Don't know if anyone is familiar with them, but I picked up a Win M94 Limited Edition Centennial a year ago: 26" half round, half octagon with a curved metal buttplate and really nice wood; with the Outdoor Industries tang sight I use it to dispell opinions at the shooting range that .30-30's "couldn't hit earth at 100 yds".
It's a fun caliber to reload too.

I wish Marlin would reissue its M1893 (I'd buy one of each in
.30-30 and .38-55).


December 27, 2002, 11:52 AM
My old timer is the 26" full octagonal barrel ... You bet you can hit at 100 yards...

It is a grand old rifle.

The trick with all the old timers is to learn the rifle, not to keep adding gimmicks and trying to make it something it isn't..

When you can do what the old timers did with the tools they had, then you are a Rifleman.

That goes for any rifle at any time.. Learn the gun!!
Gimmicks and add-ons don't make a shooter.. It is the nut behind the butt plate that counts....


December 27, 2002, 01:56 PM

Just got an older 94 and was wondering if it were possible to find spire-point 30-30 rounds to use as the first shot. It might add a bit of range and wouldn't be unsafe if the round were always to the first shot, and maybe just kept chambered. Or, it could be the last round.

First post, just came over from TFL, by the way.

December 27, 2002, 03:15 PM
Don't know if you would really gain that much over the practical ranges of the 30-30 to make it worth while...

.333 Nitro Express
December 27, 2002, 04:13 PM
[start inspirational organ music]

The 30-30 will perform even better than it did 108 years ago. We now have better bullets.

The 30-30 will help you judge which shot to take, and which to pass up.

The 30-30 will encourage you to get closer to your quarry.

The 30-30 will kill as humanely as any other .30 caliber, if you know it and its few limitations.

The 30-30 is a solid rock in a world of ever-changing marketing fads.

The 30-30 is All-American!

December 27, 2002, 04:45 PM
Hum...... 30-30 it just seems so ho hum.:rolleyes:
The danged thang just works & works well.:D

December 27, 2002, 05:32 PM
The biggest reason I don't shoot my 30-30 more is that I can buy .223 and .308 ammo so much cheaper.

I guess that's a good excuse to start reloading. Lemme go tell the wife....

Honey, can I buy a reloader? :p

December 28, 2002, 09:18 PM
I love the cartridge, but don't at present own a lever action.
I have a NEF with a 22" barrel and Weaver 1-3x20mm on it. The other I own is an older pre-bancruptcy H&R mid 1980's with a Leupold 1.5-5x20mm and 22' barrel also. The older one weighs just under 6 lb.s with a NEF synthetic stock on it. and the black "topper" forend. I use this for all my whitetail hunting.

We load Barnes 130 and 140 XBT bullets for both these rifles and get 2600Fps out of them if we push them hard.

We load Hornady 130 SSSP's for all the practise rounds. We have a riflerange in our yard and many 1st time shooters have used the NEF to fire their first rifle shot. Low recoil and darn accurate to boot.

I load for several lever guns using Speer 130 grain flatnose bullets behind either Reloder 12 or 15, along with W748. A buddy of mine used this loading in Canada to take a 228 lb buck out of a 16" trapper model in a blinding snowstorm.

December 28, 2002, 09:28 PM
We load Barnes 130 and 140 XBT bullets for both these rifles and get 2600Fps out of them if we push them hard.Chainsaw, you ain't kiddin'!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: Have you checked the probable pressure on those puppies? I'm not sure how strong the break-action of the NEF/H&R rifles is, but that sounds like one HECK of a "hot" load, even with the lighter bullet! Please be careful...

December 28, 2002, 09:48 PM
Preacherman, We have less case movement with these rifles than we do with the lever actions we load for. Micrometer readings show no pressure signs. The NEF line is rated for 52,000 CUP because of the .308 and cartridges of the same pressure. We for the most part have stay with the low bullet weights of the 130 grain to keep the pressure low. You shouldn't have a pressure problem until you get to the 150 grain bullet in the 30-30.

The only thing we have noticed is the case life is shorter when loading strong loads. The case neck can split after 2-3 loadings.

The Hogdgon #26 loading manual gives pressre readings for some loads and was a great help in working up load data for us. But we load differently for each rifle, as each is unique on its own.

Paco Kelly has taken the 30-30 modern lever to near 2700FPS with the 130 grain Speer as well. Again this was done with a modern made lever gun. We all know the 30-30 factory ammo is loaded "soft" to accomodate the 100+ year old guns in this caliber.

Anway thanks for thinking of us up here in Cheeseville:D

December 28, 2002, 11:07 PM
I have a Thompson Contender in 30/30. You have to know it's limited range in a handgun. I use it for deer and is so easy to carry.

December 29, 2002, 01:10 AM
Chainsaw, you might want to consider annealing your case necks - it might stop the splitting, or at least delay it for a few more loadings. IIRC, .30-30 brass isn't very hard, as it's not designed for high pressures. The annealing might help it to hold up a bit longer.

December 29, 2002, 01:23 AM
Preacherman, Thought of annealing the cases, but we had been getting most of the brass for nothing anyway.

A source which wants to remain anonymous gave me over 1000 once fired cases after hearing we were training new shooters. Right before receiving that brass, I purchased 1300 once fired at a gunshow for 3 cents each. Used the WW's and RP's but still have most of the Federal left as it is a heavier brass and I couldn't get a load worked up that was satisfactory pressure wise.

I will probably use this for plinking loads and newbies in the future.

Thanks for the reply.-----------Chainsaw

January 6, 2012, 03:45 PM
It has been said that more deer have been killed with a .30-30 than any other caliber out there... Not sure if that is true, but for many of us, it was our first real deer rifle when we were kids... I haven't owned one in quite a few decades, but I do own a lever action in .45-70 these days...

January 6, 2012, 04:04 PM
Hale Hale to the good old .30 WCF............

January 6, 2012, 04:24 PM
I lived in the NW corner of FL for a few years. Any hunting done there could easily be done with a .30-30 and lever action. Some day I want to go out west and see what hunting is like there.

January 6, 2012, 04:30 PM
I lived in the NW corner of FL for a few years. Any hunting done there could easily be done with a .30-30 and lever action. Some day I want to go out west and see what hunting is like there.

January 6, 2012, 04:33 PM
I had one when I was kid. Got another a couple of years ago. Octagon barrel with open sights. I carry a pair of shooting sticks and love its feel and its 100 yard accuracy. If my eyes were younger it would be a 150 yard gun. Maybe there is a scout scope in my future. Its a great whitetail rifle.

January 6, 2012, 05:00 PM
I am just starting to learn what all the buzz is about with the .30-30 lever action... I am 27, and since getting into guns as a teenager, have been more about the military-style rifles than anything. However, my grandpa gave me a Winchester 94 Cowboy Hall of Fame commemorative edition back in 2000 or so. I kept it around all these years without shooting it, and back in November I took it out to shoot it for the first time (after installing studs/swivels and a sling).

I was very impressed with how it shot and felt. While zeroing it, I shot a bug hole at 25m with the factory irons from prone with a sling... though the factory rear sight wouldn't adjust down low enough to completely zero (it was about an inch high). A Williams FP rear sight will be on it in the very near future.

I am really glad I decided to take it out and shoot it. Though it is beautiful and gold plated, it will be much more valuable to me as a shooter than it will as a wall-hanger or safe queen.

BTW, I love the fact that quality, reloadable ammo is available in .30-30 for under $.50/round. That makes my Model 94 even more economical to shoot than my M1 and M1A! Academy sells Monarch-brand ammo (which is Prvi Partizan) for $9 and change per box, for either 150 or 175 grain. I have heard good things about these Hornady Lever Evolution bullets... I hope to try out some loads with them soon, on some of this Prvi brass.

Anyway, here's a picture of my 94AE:

January 6, 2012, 07:16 PM
This thread is almost as old as the .30 WCF :D

January 6, 2012, 09:26 PM
You know, if deer could vote to outlaw one cartridge on this planet, I bet it would be the 30-30 :)

In the last 125 odd years, more deer have gone down to this round than most others combined. But, like all the marketing guys say, it's outlived its usefulness and we need some other super duper deer slayer (uh huh, yeah sure). The only time I consider another round for deer hunting is because of the rifle and then it's either the 308 (Sav 99 w/ Scope), or the 303 Enfield custom (favorite bolt rifle with precision peeps) :)

January 7, 2012, 06:32 AM
This northern California buck never knew what hit him!

30-30 is a keeper!!


January 7, 2012, 07:47 AM
2011, 30-30, 110 yards, DRT:

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