Opinions on new shooters & .22's


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Gurnard
January 30, 2006, 05:27 PM
Hey gang,
Quick question: Any experience/recommendations on a .22 semi-auto handgun?

Iím trying to get my wife & kids into shooting too. The boys did sorta OK with my P239 (.40) but I did see a lot of flinching in anticipation. Took the wife today & she really didnít like it. Didnít like the weight & (although she wouldnít admit it) I donít think she cared for the recoil either. I was kicking myself when we left because I had really hoped sheíd enjoy herself & I kinda set her up for failure on that one, unintentionallyÖI just underestimated difference that an additional 100 pounds and knowing what to expect would make. STUPID.

So, Iím reading up on the idea of starting people out on a .22 and looked at the P22 (looked too much like a toy she said), but I liked it and also looked at the Sig Mosquito. The Sig was a little steep for a plinker but the similarities to my present gun may be a benefit.

So thatís all we looked at but it was just a quick look. Opinions?

Thanks in advance.

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Steve C
January 30, 2006, 05:34 PM
Browing Buckmark or Ruger MKIII. My preference in that order. 2 solid performing .22's at a reasonable price.

TexasRifleman
January 30, 2006, 05:38 PM
I just bought a P22 for my son to shoot.

This weekend he put close to 400 rounds through it and it never missed a lick.
It even ate the bulk Federal stuff I got at Wal Mart.

Not sure how it looks like a toy, it looks like the other guns Walther sells.....
I'm extremely happy with it, and the kid is loving it!

He's on me now for a holster and some more magazines......

I looked at the Mosquito too (of course, since I am SIG man) but I didn't read too many happy things about it so I skipped it, especially for that price.

FPrice
January 30, 2006, 05:39 PM
Ruger Mk1/11/111 or Walther P22. The Walther is better for people with smaller hands perhaps.

Gurnard
January 30, 2006, 05:49 PM
Yeah, I was a little surprised by the "toy" comment too.

She thought it looked too much like a toy & that "If the boys are going to shoot it, it needs to look like a real gun". She's thinking along the lines of >if it looks like a toy, it might be treated as a toy<. The boys are 14 & 16 so I'm sure they know the difference but I didn't argue the point...she needs to feel comfortable and she is "the wife", if you're married you'll understand that some things just aren't worth the trouble of arguing about.

Thanks for the suggestions, I will check them out.

MatthewVanitas
January 30, 2006, 06:24 PM
Might want to run a Search on the THR search engine for past reviews of the Walther P22. I was considering buying one, but changed my mind after reading very mixed reviews.

I currently have a Ruger MkII, and it's outstandingly cool. The 22/45 variant would be a little more lightweight if that's an issue.

The Browning Buckmark also has quite a following on THR. I'd buy one of those if I didn't have the Ruger.

I'll avoid passing on hearsay on the Sig Mosquito and Walther P22, but suffice to say the reviews on THR turned me off of both of those models.

Good luck in your purchase, a .22LR does indeed make a world of difference for new shooters. Plus it's still really freakin' fun even for experienced shooters. Nothing quite like a quiet day at an empty 100m rifle-range with a Ruger MkII and 1,000 rounds of .22LR for $12.

-MV

bumm
January 30, 2006, 06:36 PM
Everyone who shoots should have a .22 rimfire, especially if he shoots handguns. My favorite alltime gun is the 1911 .45, but I shoot .22's much more just because it's cheap, fun, and good practice. Rugers and Buckmarks seem to be among the most popular, but pick them up at a gun shop, or better yet, borrow and shoot some to see what you like.
Anyway, by all means, get a .22!
Marty

Black Majik
January 30, 2006, 06:57 PM
We recently covered this same topic... it'll give you some good answers and advice

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=179361

My personal recommendation would be a Marvel .22 Kit ontop a 1911.

For regular .22's I'd recommend either the Ruger MKII or the SIG Trailslide.

Furncliff
January 30, 2006, 11:42 PM
If you are not averse to used a guns, a Hi-Standard (those that were made in Ct.) target .22 is a good choice, Very accurate good ergos, appreciating in value, make great hand-me downs for the boys. My shooting partner...my daughter has asked me to leave mine to her:)

If new is your choice, I like the browning.

http://images.gunsamerica.com/upload/976401062-1.jpg

This one has the bull barrel, should give it the feel and heft of a larger caliber. Target sights..........or not? Handsome, looks like a gun. What ever you get, buy some extra mags.

Gurnard
January 30, 2006, 11:51 PM
Hey, thanks for the replies.

Sharp gun there Furncliff.

Just left a Sig forum, they don't seem impressed with the Mosquito. Now, of course, the wife is leaning toward the Mosquito because it's sorta like mine...Guess I'll break it to her later.

Thanks again, very helpful info here.

Furncliff
January 31, 2006, 12:07 AM
An ex. of a Hi Standard for sale on GA for $450.





http://images.gunsamerica.com/upload/976674416-1.jpg

The boys are fortunate to have a Dad who cares. I'm sure they'll remember.

palerider1
January 31, 2006, 12:10 AM
i have a Ruger mk III pistol. its 22 caliber doesnt recoil hardly at all. after shooting your 40 it will seem like shooting a bb gun.

trueblue1776
January 31, 2006, 12:13 AM
http://www.impactguns.com/store/product4887.html

ArmedBear
January 31, 2006, 12:17 AM
I like the 22/45 with a bull barrel. Accurate, doesn't need cleaning too often, grip angle translates practice to centerfires, no recoil to speak of.

Not pretty, but very well made, blueing is top-notch, and it's not too expensive for a gun you can keep forever with no complaints.

borrowedtime69
January 31, 2006, 12:50 AM
get a ruger, itll last forever. i recommend a ruger MK II in either the standard grip or 22/45 grip configuration. Stay away from the MK III's, too many lawer approved modifications.

my second choice would be a Ruger Single Six .22LR/.22 Magnum cylinders. its good for slow, practiced shooting, and they wont burn thru ammo really fast.
my collection
http://www.hunt101.com/img/362262.jpg

these Rugers are built to last. you grand children will be able to shoot with these guns, possibly even your great grandchildren.

best of luck! -Eric

bumm
January 31, 2006, 01:04 AM
Borrowedtime69 was talking about "guns that will last forever."
Many WILL if taken care of. Aside from my Marvel conversion unit, my .22's are a Colt Woodsman built in 1956, a HiStandard GB my dad bought in 1950, and a Stevens #10 target pistol built in 1919. Sometimes it's hard to pick which one I want to shoot!
Marty

Zen21Tao
January 31, 2006, 03:40 AM
I have a feather 22 that makes a great plinker. I bought mine about 13 years ago. I don't know how easy they are to find now.
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2623/feather221aq.jpg

But, I think that my Kimber Rimfire Target is a great gun to get someone accustom to full size centerfire guns. I love that it gives me the same feel (except somewhat lighter) as firing my 1911. I should also add that I also have a Sig P239 in .40 S&W and I don't find my shooting with my Sig effected negatively by using my Kimber 22.
http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/4004/kimber3resized2kn.jpg

trueblue1776
January 31, 2006, 10:03 AM
I have a feather 22 that makes a great plinker. I bought mine about 13 years ago. I don't know how easy they are to find now.
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2623/feather221aq.jpg




Nice feather 22 there Zen!

TexasRifleman
January 31, 2006, 10:14 AM
Might want to run a Search on the THR search engine for past reviews of the Walther P22. I was considering buying one, but changed my mind after reading very mixed reviews.
-MV


There seem to be 2 designs of the thing, and older and a newer.

I don't know the differences or when any changes occurred, but everything I've read on P22's purchased within the last year or so have been very positive.

Mine feeds every kind of ammo I could get right out of the box, even the Federal super cheapo wal mart stuff.

trueblue1776
January 31, 2006, 11:02 AM
I bought a first run P22, right out of the box it was great! I dont like the sights that much, not the most accurate design, but it is a VERY good gun for my money. I suggest it to anyone that asks.

phorvick
January 31, 2006, 11:38 AM
1. if you like the look of a non-.22 semi-auto, then the Mosquito or the CZ Kadet are nice; I have the Kadet and it is superb

2. you could always get a Glock 9mm and then the .22 conversion and let the child grow into the 9mm while shooting the .22

3. if it is just a plinking gun, the Ruger MK series are nice...if you want to have an easier one to clean etc, the Neos or the S&W 22A are nice, accurate, cheap etc.; I have had the 22A and it was very nice; have the Neos now and when you add a cheap red dot you are a range king :)

waterhouse
January 31, 2006, 11:43 AM
I like the buckmark and trailside, probably in that order. I think part of learning to shoot involves stripping and cleaning your guns, and the Ruger can be a little tricky, but that's just my opinion. I learned how to shoot handguns on a Ruger Single Six, and if you don't mind revolvers that is what I would go with.

pax
January 31, 2006, 11:51 AM
Another possibility I didn't see mentioned above is the Beretta Neos. My teenagers love the look of the thing. The trigger isn't quite as nice out of the box as a MkII/III, but can easily be made nicer. Neos is a lot easier to take apart for cleaning than most other .22 semiautos.

pax

wrench
January 31, 2006, 02:58 PM
another vote for the browning buckmark. 1000's of rounds thru mine, doesn't fail, accurate, very good trigger.

Ala Dan
January 31, 2006, 03:31 PM
Another "thumbs up":cool: for the Browning Buckmark .22LR, as its an
excellent training pistol~!:D

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