[olyeller]

If you have one, could I persuade you to post, or send me some clear pics of the shell plate deck and related area, so I can see how things fit together?
I bought one used, and while all the parts are there, I need to put this rube goldberg together!
I am as far as having the shell feeder on. No idea how the metal case ejector and all those little plastic, I mean nylon, parts hook up. The lee instructions are poopy, and the website isnt much better. Ive been studying pics on ebay, but could use some help.
thanks.:)

[Rockstar]

Get yourself a small boat and 20' of anchor line! :evil:

[joshlm]

If you would like to pm me your email address I would be more than happy to take the pictures and send them to you later tonight.

[YellowLab]

Post any questions you have.. the parts really only can go one way (except for the case feeder.. that can get a little goofy).

One thing you will want to do is take the head off the ram and make sure that the ram is knurled. Older Loadmasters (like 5 years ago) had a smooth lip on the ram, and the 'head casting'(?) would not stay put. A production change knurled the top of the ram to keep the casting in place. The thing will lose its timing if its not knurled. A $5 job to get done locally.

Make sure you set the 'timing' of the index flipper (on the last page of the manual).

[olyeller]

Either you married a smurf or you been drinkin the kool aid.

Get yourself a small boat and 20' of anchor line! :evil:

[olyeller]

bump to make another plea for pics!

joshlm, I sent you my email address, did you get it??
thanks!:)

[alellis]

Everything is explained plain and simple on the Lee site. There are even videos to download.

If you can't figure it out from them more pics arn't going to help.


al

[joshlm]

pictures were emailed this morning.

[Stinger]

leeprecision.com

go to the videos section, and follow the instructions there.

Good luck :neener:

Stinger

[Rockstar]

I was just kidding about the boat and anchor line. Hope I didn't offend anybody. (Because, of course, a Loadmaster isn't worth the price of 20' of good anchor line!:D )

[wrangler5]

Well, I don't have a boat but do have a Loadmaster. If I ever get a boat I won't use the Loadmaster for an anchor. After 10+ years I find it to be a very useful tool. Perfect? No. Quirks? A few. Functional? Very. Value? High. I couldn't touch a blue machine with 6 fully-populated turrets and shell plates for less than twice what I have in the Loadmaster so equipped.

The Loadmaster is also small enough (and the case feeder comes off instantly) that I can hang it from a ceiling joist near my workbench when I'm not reloading with it. That's a huge advantage in my cramped quarters. Couldn't do that with a Dillon or Hornady that gives comparable throughput.

[BEARMAN]

I have three LEE PRO1000's and they work well , got a LOADMASTER when they first came out , I am not a stupid man ,I can keep 3 PRO1000'S operating but I could never get the LOADMASTER to work, it never reloaded a case . I stuck it in a box in the corner and bought a used DILLION 550 when a good deal showed up, works good for rifle stuff but I like the PRO1000 WITH THE AUTOMATIC CASE FEED better for the thousands of pistol cartridges I reload. If you goto ( www.leeprecision.com ) you can download their MANUALS.

[Uncle Don]

I have a Loadmaster and a friend has a Dillon 550. I'm completely satisfied with my purchase because it was cheaper, produces the same ammuntion and is faster. I've covered the cost of $1.00 to replace a primer slider - then I quickly figured out how to set it properly and after 15000 rounds later, I haven't had any problem whatsoever. My friend likes his Dillon, but admits that he doesn't have the output or produce any better ammo, but he takes pride in the fact that it's blue. That's ok, he should get something for the extra $.

I know someone else with a 650 and it's output is the same. You put a bullet on and pull the handle. His is a nice press, but again, I'm not sure what the extra cost gets him in the end. He's happy and so am I, so life is good.

[Rockstar]

For a number of reasons, a Loadmaster's reloading rate is less than that of a 650's.

[alellis]

For a number of reasons, a Loadmaster's reloading rate is less than that of a 650's.


I can't think of any reason why a Loadmaster would not be as quick as a 650 but I have never used a 650 so am open to education.


al

[Uncle Don]

For a number of reasons, a Loadmaster's reloading rate is less than that of a 650's.

Really, how?

[Rockstar]

Priming system; case feed system; stopping to unjam, grease, adjust the Loadmaster. I am, however, thinking of setting up an old Loadmaster to use with 10mm reloads. I'll bet those 10mm reloads will punch right through that p.o.s. :p

[Uncle Don]

Priming system; case feed system; stopping to unjam, grease, adjust the Loadmaster. I am, however, thinking of setting up an old Loadmaster to use with 10mm reloads. I'll bet those 10mm reloads will punch right through that p.o.s. :p

So your reponse isn't actually factual, just your own experience. You made a broad statement as though your statement was general fact - kind of presumptuous, huh?. Too bad you are unable to operate one properly. Based on the fact that so many others can run theirs just fine, you were apparantly the weak link in your experience. I tell you what - I'm willing to make a challenge. You load for a solid minute with yours and take a video of it. I'll do the same and we'll compare. In the end, I'll have about 25 loaded rounds - it's possible you will too, but if so, my point will have been made. If you have a 550, I'll disable the case feeder and still challenge you. How about it? BTW - if you still got it, I'll pay you $30.00 and the cost of shipping to me. Since it's worthless to you, I'd be helping you out - even knowing I have to pay to replace the parts you broke.

[bfox]

Uncle Don

I had some problems with mine at first .
But I never was that good with directions .
You and others helped now its doing great .
I keep hearing people say what a POS they are
but I can never find a used one for sale .
I check a lot of different boards everyday
and can never find one .

Bill

[alellis]

Uncle Don

I had some problems with mine at first .
But I never was that good with directions .
You and others helped now its doing great .


Bill


Shhhhh

If everyone finds out how to set them up and use them the price will skyrocket.



al

[45auto]

Couple of questions on the Loadmaster if I may!

How many 45's would the case feeder hold for example? I've only seen pictures of it. How does it work, i.e. put a "handful" in or place them the proper way? Dumb questions I know...but! Reliable and much faster than placing the case by hand?

I like the idea of seating the primer during the same "stroke" as all the other operations...less time and effort than the others.

If you use Winchester primers for example, that are not packaged sideways, do you just remove the primer tray, flip it open, and "slide" the primers on it...so to speak?

Thanks

[JMusic]

Rockstar, its obvious to me you have NEVER used a Loadmaster for a boat anchor. They are not nearly heavy enough. The 550 and 650 on the other hand.........:evil:

[Uncle Don]

Couple of questions on the Loadmaster if I may!

How many 45's would the case feeder hold for example? I've only seen pictures of it. How does it work, i.e. put a "handful" in or place them the proper way? Dumb questions I know...but! Reliable and much faster than placing the case by hand?

I like the idea of seating the primer during the same "stroke" as all the other operations...less time and effort than the others.

If you use Winchester primers for example, that are not packaged sideways, do you just remove the primer tray, flip it open, and "slide" the primers on it...so to speak?

Thanks

Good questions. The casefeeder holds about 20 45 cases per tube and there are four of them. When one tube empties, you just turn it either direction until it clicks into place and the next tube is lined up with the slider that moves the cases into the shell plate. There is an optional case colater that sits on the tubes (about $15) and you just drop your cases in there and move it around - gravity causes the cases to go into the tubes the correct way. It is about 99% reliable.

I generally don't use the casefeeder because I load only about 50-100 at a time and without it, can still load a box in 3 minutes. If I'm going to load over 100 at a time, I put the case feeder on which takes about a minute. Set like it's supposed to be set, it's very reliable and you don't have to think about cases.

I too like the priming to occur at the top of the stroke where everything else occurs. There is nothing for me to do at the bottom of the stroke but put a bullet on the case. This priming system demands that it be set properly which seems to escape so many, but it too takes less than a minute to do properly and I haven't checked it in thousands of rounds. The most common mistake is that they set it way too deep and then start smashing primer sliders and causing them to go in sideways. The proper way is a video on Lee's website. Many people have trouble with anything they can adjust - Dillon makes this non user adjustable and he was probably wise for doing it that way because many would probably mess it up if he didn't.

To replensih primers, you simply pull the tray out, remove the cover and drop the primers in any direction and then swish it around until the primers come upright, put the cover back on and put it back onto the trough.

There are about four things to do to run a LM properly. Make sure your turrets have the dies set properly so that they are doing their work at the top of the stoke. Be sure the case retainers are pushed inward at the beginning of changing a caliber so that the first case moving through the shellplate moves them out to the perfect direction. Use full strokes up and down so that indexing is trouble free. Lastly, be sure that primer seating depth adjustment is set per the instructions (or the video). When these are done, it will work perfectly. BTW - I don't clean my priming system out, I give it a quick puff of air when changing from large to small or vise versa. I don't even watch it during reloading because set properly, it's a given that will work every time.

[45auto]

Thanks for the info.

Interesting!

[wrangler5]

So your reponse isn't actually factual, just your own experience. <snip> I tell you what - I'm willing to make a challenge. You load for a solid minute with yours and take a video of it. I'll do the same and we'll compare. In the end, I'll have about 25 loaded rounds - it's possible you will too, but if so, my point will have been made. <snip>

Recognizing that I too have no actual experience with the other machine, I'd like to say that it probably is true that a 650 will outproduce a Loadmaster over an extended loading session. For 60 seconds I'm sure the machines are proably equal in output. But run 'em for 60 minutes and I can imagine that the Dillon might produce more because I believe that its casefeeder will keep the feed tube filled by just dumping more cases into the hopper from time to time. No need for swishing things around like in the Lee case collator (which for me has been a 100% device on my Loadmaster for 38/44/45 casesbut not for 9mm/380, where it regularly drops cases mouth first about 20% of the time unless you carefully watch each case and be sure it hits the top of each tube the right way.)

Also, I have the impression that a Dillon will function reliably to the last primer in the tube, whereas the Loadmaster requires me to use some kind of pusher between each case to get the last 5-7 primers to feed properly. If you replenish the feed tray while there are more than 7 primers left in the chute things will just keep on rolling, but at the end of a session, getting the last few primers through the system takes more time. (Anybody just leave their press set up with primers still in the system? I never have.)

But you pay for the Dillon productivity in cash, equipment size and probably noise. Anybody care to say how noisy the Dillon case feeder is when it's running?

[Uncle Don]

Recognizing that I too have no actual experience with the other machine, I'd like to say that it probably is true that a 650 will outproduce a Loadmaster over an extended loading session. For 60 seconds I'm sure the machines are proably equal in output. But run 'em for 60 minutes and I can imagine that the Dillon might produce more because I believe that its casefeeder will keep the feed tube filled by just dumping more cases into the hopper from time to time. No need for swishing things around like in the Lee case collator (which for me has been a 100% device on my Loadmaster for 38/44/45 casesbut not for 9mm/380, where it regularly drops cases mouth first about 20% of the time unless you carefully watch each case and be sure it hits the top of each tube the right way.)

Also, I have the impression that a Dillon will function reliably to the last primer in the tube, whereas the Loadmaster requires me to use some kind of pusher between each case to get the last 5-7 primers to feed properly. If you replenish the feed tray while there are more than 7 primers left in the chute things will just keep on rolling, but at the end of a session, getting the last few primers through the system takes more time. (Anybody just leave their press set up with primers still in the system? I never have.)

But you pay for the Dillon productivity in cash, equipment size and probably noise. Anybody care to say how noisy the Dillon case feeder is when it's running?


Fair points. While you are right about needing to replinish primers before it gets to the last one, the ease of chainging them I think is probably faster than using primer pick up tubes. Your point about the casefeeder and the colater is probably correct. I've never seen a Dillon casefeeder in action but it looks fairly elaborate and I imagine that it works well. However, I can live with the slightly slower overall feed rate on a system that is included with the machine as opposed to an add on. I guess my overall point is that both are good machines and each have some nice features. I only get defensive when there is an attack by people who can't figure out how to set one up properly and then blame everything including design while refusing to hold out the possiblity that it could be them.

[caz223]

25 rounds a minute is impressive, it would be nice if the lee could do that for an hour straight.
That would be 1500 rounds an hour.
I've seen a heavily modified 1050 with a tweaked bullet feeder hit some pretty amazing speeds, and all you had to do once tweaked in was to feed the machine primers, cases, and powder, and crank the handle like a madman.
I have to admit, I wish that you could get a factory 650 with a bullet feeder (From the factory.) to go with the case feeder and auto indexing.
You can theoretically buy a bullet feeder for a 650 now, but it's extremely pricey, integral with the toolhead. (One caliber only.) and it voids any kind of warranty you have in addition to NOT being a dillon part.

[Rockstar]

So your reponse isn't actually factual, just your own experience. You made a broad statement as though your statement was general fact - kind of presumptuous, huh?. Too bad you are unable to operate one properly. Based on the fact that so many others can run theirs just fine, you were apparantly the weak link in your experience. I tell you what - I'm willing to make a challenge. You load for a solid minute with yours and take a video of it. I'll do the same and we'll compare. In the end, I'll have about 25 loaded rounds - it's possible you will too, but if so, my point will have been made. If you have a 550, I'll disable the case feeder and still challenge you. How about it? BTW - if you still got it, I'll pay you $30.00 and the cost of shipping to me. Since it's worthless to you, I'd be helping you out - even knowing I have to pay to replace the parts you broke.

Uncle Don: You sure are sensitive about your Loadmaster. I didn't indicate that I couldn't operate a Loadmaster properly. Running a Loadmaster probably doesn't require a lot more intellectual capacity than does running a 650. I pointed out systemic reasons that Loadmasters don't run as fast as 650's.

Even if everything's running smoothly on your Loadmaster, I don't believe that you can refill that splendidly-designed little plastic priming tray as fast as I can stick a pre-loaded tube of primers in my 650. Also, I can dump quite a few more cases in my 650's electric casefeeder than you can dump into your splendidly-designed Loadmaster's collator/collector that feeds those four splendidly-designed plastic tubes. Annnnnnd the powder hopper on the 650 holds a lot more powder than does that little Loadmaster powder hopper.

Of course, a Loadmaster can produce thousands of rounds of excellent ammo; just not as efficiently as the more-expensive, better-built, and better-designed Dillon 650.

I probably will use a Loadmaster for making short runs of 10mm. I'll probably manually slide the cases in, using the splendidly-designed case inserter, rather than fool around with that equally-splendidly-designed auto casefeeding system. I'm sure that any ammo I load up using a Loadmaster will be just as good as any ammo that I load with my 650.

Bottom line, Uncle Don, is that you're happy with your Loadmaster, so what difference does it make what anybody else thinks? If you ever get to the point in your life where you can afford a Dillon 650, then I certainly recommend that you give it a try.

[wrangler5]

<snip>

Even if everything's running smoothly on your Loadmaster, I don't believe that you can refill that splendidly-designed little plastic priming tray as fast as I can stick a pre-loaded tube of primers in my 650. Also, I can dump quite a few more cases in my 650's electric casefeeder than you can dump into your splendidly-designed Loadmaster's collator/collector that feeds those four splendidly-designed plastic tubes. Annnnnnd the powder hopper on the 650 holds a lot more powder than does that little Loadmaster powder hopper.

Well, if I got a few extra primer trays from Lee and kept them filled and ready to go, my Loadmaster would probably keep pace with a 650 on the primer front. Except for the end of the run, as I noted before. And topping up a powder measure hopper occasionally is the work of a few seconds, so some, but slight, advantage to the 650 there. The case feeder advantage is probably where the 650 would pull ahead over a long evening.

I probably will use a Loadmaster for making short runs of 10mm. I'll probably manually slide the cases in, using the splendidly-designed case inserter, rather than fool around with that equally-splendidly-designed auto casefeeding system.

Actually, Rockstar, if you're only going to use a Loadmaster for one caliber like 10mm it might well be worth your time to set up the case feeder. Dumping a few handfuls of cases in the collater and swishing it around to fill the tubes is but the work of a few seconds, and keeps your right hand on the operating handle while your left deals with the bullets.

Case feeder setup took the majority of the time when I first got the press 10+ years ago - I seem to recall polishing and waxing the top and side surfaces of the bar the case heads and case pusher slide on, and at least greasing if not polishing the diagonal bar that the pusher actuating block rides on. BUT I haven't touched those surfaces since. All I've ever done is adjust the height of the feeder tubes above the slider when I switch from long revolver cases (38/357/44 Mag/45 Colt) to the 45ACP - a one-wrench job. (Going to 9mm and shorter cases takes a different pusher, so there's disassembly and reassembly - about a 5 minute job.) If you're only going to do one cartridge, you only do the case tube setup once.

[wrangler5]

<snip>
I've seen a heavily modified 1050 with a tweaked bullet feeder hit some pretty amazing speeds, and all you had to do once tweaked in was to feed the machine primers, cases, and powder, and crank the handle like a madman.
I have to admit, I wish that you could get a factory 650 with a bullet feeder (From the factory.) to go with the case feeder and auto indexing.
You can theoretically buy a bullet feeder for a 650 now, but it's extremely pricey, integral with the toolhead. (One caliber only.) and it voids any kind of warranty you have in addition to NOT being a dillon part.

These comments remind me that I was unable to get a Lee bullet feeder to work on my Loadmaster with 9mm FMJ bullets - the bullet I use in the highest volume. I always suspected the Lee device might work well with lead bullets with more straight side length, but don't shoot those and so ended up selling the feeder.

Has anyone had better luck with the Lee feeder? Was there a trick to getting those little fingers to keep a good grip on the bullet while carryng it out in line with the case mouth? (I squished several sets of those fingers before giving up on the whole idea.) Even if you got it to work, was there a noticeable increase in throughput? (You still have to fill the bullet tubes, and there's a limit to how many bullets you can stack up before the weight of the column keeps the bottom one from feeding.) I'd have the same throughput question for the bullet feeder for the Dillon - how much does it really help, considering the time it takes to fill the supply side?

[Uncle Don]

Even if everything's running smoothly on your Loadmaster, I don't believe that you can refill that splendidly-designed little plastic priming tray as fast as I can stick a pre-loaded tube of primers in my 650. Also, I can dump quite a few more cases in my 650's electric casefeeder than you can dump into your splendidly-designed Loadmaster's collator/collector that feeds those four splendidly-designed plastic tubes. Annnnnnd the powder hopper on the 650 holds a lot more powder than does that little Loadmaster powder hopper.


I probably will use a Loadmaster for making short runs of 10mm. I'll probably manually slide the cases in, using the splendidly-designed case inserter, rather than fool around with that equally-splendidly-designed auto casefeeding system. I'm sure that any ammo I load up using a Loadmaster will be just as good as any ammo that I load with my 650.

Bottom line, Uncle Don, is that you're happy with your Loadmaster, so what difference does it make what anybody else thinks? If you ever get to the point in your life where you can afford a Dillon 650, then I certainly recommend that you give it a try.


Actually, posts such as yours is why I get "sensitive". You find it humours to bash the choice of others as junk just because you have a different opinion. You also make statements as though they are fact when they are not - there is a name for people like that and I've bet you've used it.

Lastly, I can easily afford a Dillon 650 if I wanted one. I'm not sure what makes you assume I couldn't, but it's a choice. I can produce the same ammo, just as fast as you and it costs much less; I choose not to spend more than I need to. If your purchase of a Dillon 650 was based on your desire to make fun of others, then you're obviously a person who has some level of insecurity, so let me help you out. Your press is better, smoother and faster than mine. BTW - if you do set up the Loadmaster and have "trouble", let me know, we that know how to operate them will be happy to help you out.

[45auto]

More questions. :)

Watching the Lee video on the Loadmaster, it will load very quickly with the case feeder it appears. I'm "guessing" in the 700+ per hour range. That's a question not a statement. But, if it hold around 80 casings(45) then I wonder if the "time" spent filling it, and making sure it drops properly, might bring the actual loading rate closer to just placing one in at a time?
Meaning, any idea on the actual loading rates using either method?

[YellowLab]

The bullet feed works quite well, with some notes.

First, I use milsurp FMJ bullets and thier OAL seems to vary quite a lot. I did have to mill/file the openeing to get all the bullets to feed from the milsurp bunch (got them from GIBRASS.COM. Some were pretty nasty with pits.. those were chucked.) My lead cast bullets seem to be much more consistant and feed fine.

The Fingers can be 'reset' as per the directions. Just put them in hot/boiling water for a few minutes and they will 'reset'. Just read the directions and you'll be golden.

The lead bullets are flat base, while the FMJ have a ridge on the bottom. Can only stack about 15 FMJ in the tube.. the fingers cannot bull out a bullet with all that weight and the ridge. Remember at 15 bullets (230gr) is already half a pound.. thats a lot of weight for those friction fingers to have to overcome.

[YellowLab]

More questions. :)
But, if it hold around 80 casings(45) then I wonder if the "time" spent filling it, and making sure it drops properly, might bring the actual loading rate closer to just placing one in at a time?
Meaning, any idea on the actual loading rates using either method?

The case collator can fill the tubes in 15 seconds.. that just about 100 cases ready to be auto feed in 15 seconds. Swishing the 'funnel', filling the funnel, etc would take all of 30seconds even if you took your time. I do not believe that you could get a faster rate by hand feeding. It will take you more than 1 second to grab, turn upright, and then feed 1 casing and also put a bullet on station 4. Even if you took the time to pre-stage the cases, that time is still wasted compared to simply grabbing random handfull and tossing into the funnel.

[wrangler5]

More questions. :)

But, if it hold around 80 casings(45) then I wonder if the "time" spent filling it, and making sure it drops properly, might bring the actual loading rate closer to just placing one in at a time? Meaning, any idea on the actual loading rates using either method?

I've never timed my output with the Loadmaster, but I can guarantee that using the case feeder will increase the throughput substantially. With cases longer and more base-heavy than 9mm Luger, filling the case feeder tubes using the case collator should take no more than 15-20 seconds if you have your bucket of empties ready to hand. I've never had a 45 Auto case go down a tube upside down when shaking the collator - the only way to get one in the wrong way is to drop it directly, and you avoid that happening by just putting some left hand fingers over the holes in the collator while you dump a handful of cases into the collator with the right hand. In my experience, any case sliding on the surface of the collator is going to go down the feeder tubes base first.

But let me toss out another question. Does it really make a difference if the throughput on a press is 700/hour or (say) 545/hour? One takes you an hour to make 700 rounds, the other an hour and 20 minutes. I know that the Loadmaster is WAY faster than any single stage or turret press for making lots of the same round, but it would only be a matter of curiosity to know exactly how much faster.

[45auto]

wrangler5:

For me, speed and "ease" of reloading are important. Although I have reloaded for many years, I can't say reloading is a "hobby" for me.
I do it to save money and to shoot a specific load. So, once I get everything set up, I just reload and don't give it much thought.

So, the easier and quicker it is, the better for me anyway. Nice to make good, reliable loads that are cheaper, but glad when I'm done reloading. ;)

[ChiefPilot]

The case collator can fill the tubes in 15 seconds.. that just about 100 cases ready to be auto feed in 15 seconds. Swishing the 'funnel', filling the funnel, etc would take all of 30seconds even if you took your time. I do not believe that you could get a faster rate by hand feeding. It will take you more than 1 second to grab, turn upright, and then feed 1 casing and also put a bullet on station 4. Even if you took the time to pre-stage the cases, that time is still wasted compared to simply grabbing random handfull and tossing into the funnel.

I agree completely - the case feeder on my Pro 1000 gets 80 cases ready to be loaded in well under 15 seconds. I usually put a couple of handfulls in the collator after the tubes are full as well - the vibration from normal press operation keeps the tubes full. Adding a handfull of cases after emptying a tube keeps the process going without interuption.

By loading up a second primer tray prior to starting, I can make 500+ rounds of .45ACP without any real interruption. This takes me about 90 minutes or so, or two hours total including setup, checking powder throw, etc.

[Rockstar]

Wrangler: Thanks for the iinput. I use the collator and casefeed tubes, just manually slide the cases with the case inserter. When you get a rhythm to it, you can load pretty fast.

Uncle Don: Thanks for your input, also. Nothing substantive or novel from you, of course. Saying that you could afford a Dillon 650 is kind of like saying that you work in l.e., not because you aren't qualified to get a better-paying job or profession, but because you "just love it." ;) As I've said, you're happy with your Loadmaster. I'm happy with my 650. You shouldn't be any more sensitive to my opinion than I am of yours...and I can assure you that your opinions are of no consequence to me.

[Uncle Don]

Uncle Don: Thanks for your input, also. Nothing substantive or novel from you, of course. Saying that you could afford a Dillon 650 is kind of like saying that you work in l.e., not because you aren't qualified to get a better-paying job or profession, but because you "just love it." ;) As I've said, you're happy with your Loadmaster. I'm happy with my 650. You shouldn't be any more sensitive to my opinion than I am of yours...and I can assure you that your opinions are of no consequence to me.

We agree that both are happy with their equipment. You made what I felt were general ill-informed claims that I defended - and you took issue with it. If you re-read some of your posts, perhaps you may categorize them as "substantial or novel", where I simply didn't. I'd just as soon put this behind us and I won't level a backhanded insult in closing. Hopefully, we'll meet on another thread under better circumstances.