Anyone disable the magazine disconnect on your Bersa .380?


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gbelleh
January 3, 2003, 12:33 AM
The poll on this topic made me want to ask this question.

I would like to disable my mag disconnect on my Bersa .380. It seems like it would be simple, but I would like to hear from someone who has done it before I try.

Thanks

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Forseti
January 4, 2003, 12:34 AM
Don't do it.

Not only would you be adversely affecting whatever little resale value there is in a Bersa, but you open yourself up to problems...

Lets say you sell/give the gun to someone. If they had an "accident" with a gun YOU removed a safety feature on, you could be held liable.

Leave the gun alone.

Mike Irwin
January 4, 2003, 03:40 AM
I did many years ago in the very short span of time in which I had a Bersa .380.

Can't remember exactly how, though.

firestar
January 4, 2003, 04:03 AM
How would it be any worse than doing the same operation on a BHP?

I have a Bersa 23 .22lr and I too would like to know how to remove the mag safety. It seems as if it might be affecting the seating of the magizine.

gbelleh
January 4, 2003, 01:17 PM
I don't really see how removing it would be unsafe. None of my other autos have mag disconnects, and I doubt I would loan the Bersa out anyway.

It looks simple enough to remove the mag disconnect bar, but the mag disconnect presses up on the trigger bar mechanism so that it can engage properly. So if it was removed, what would press up on the trigger bar?

Forseti
January 4, 2003, 03:50 PM
You misunderstand me. Removing the mag disconnect may not make the gun unsafe.

But if there is an accident later that does not involve you as the "holder" of the gun, you could STILL be held liable for modifying the gun, and removing a safety. The arguement would be that the gun would not had fired, had "gbelleh" not modified the gun...

(attorney presenting to jury)

"Who KNOWS what other things were done to make this gun unsafe! "gbelleh" has admitted to making one modification that was IN NO WAY APPROVED by the manufacturer. In addition, "gbelleh" is not a certified gunsmith. We *just don't know* what damage he may have done in the process of making this unsafe modification. And THAT, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, is why "GBELLEH" should be held liable for the destruction caused by his improperly modified weapon!"

The jury will be composed by "gun idiots". You know who I mean. They will be selected deliberately that way, so it will be easier to win a case. They will hear about the unapproved modification, and the fact you are not a "certified" Bersa gunsmith. Plus any other damaging testimony that can be brought up.

firestar
January 4, 2003, 05:01 PM
Yeah but, how do you remove the MDS?

gbelleh
January 4, 2003, 06:36 PM
Forseti,
Thanks for the further clarification. I do understand your point. My point was only that if someone has a ND with a modified Bersa, they would've had it with any of my other autos too. Maybe I could get around all that if I had my gunsmith do the job?? Then it would've been modified by a certified gunsmith. It's really not that big a deal, but I don't like the idea of having a gun that won't function with the mag removed. I seriously doubt that I would ever be using my Bersa for defense anyway (it's a range/fun gun, and I have plenty of other choices for defense).

firestar,
It looks like if you remove the spring at the bottom of the mag disconnect bar, it should pop right out, but I can't see what it contacts with inside the trigger bar assembly.

I probably won't mess with it. I most likely couldn't get it back together again if I mess up.

firestar
January 4, 2003, 07:45 PM
I just took mine apart and it looks like it might be easier to just pin the bar in the up position rather than remove it. Mine is in .22 so I doubt I will mess with it either.

buttrap
January 5, 2003, 07:18 AM
That taking out a "saftey" issue will only fly in possably Jersey is all. If they are that stupid you do a counter suit for twice the bucks sueing them for being so stupid they went to court to cure stupidity. It aint going to fly. But some folks also worry about getting sued as when a person trys to cut their guts out in the bedroom all they have in the gun is the reloads for the coyotes in the barnyard too. Lawyers are pretty stupid but most of the time a jury wont even see that kind of a issue. Ahh Mr victum where did you learn that you could put a live round in a HP and pull the trigger with the mag out and feel smart? And where did you learn that you can put live rounds in firearems and walk off after pulling the trigger up your nose too?

tracer
January 5, 2003, 09:39 AM
Did anyone determine if it can be removed and leave the gun functional?
tracer

firestar
April 21, 2003, 07:47 PM
I don't think we ever got a ruling on this one. Does anyone have the info we seek?

Matthew_Q
April 22, 2003, 10:29 AM
if it ain't broke, don't fix it.


I seriously doubt that removing the mag disconnect will improve anything, like it does with the BHP.

Someone did bring up a point. What will hold up the trigger bar to engage the trigger? If you simply remove the mag disconnect bar, the trigger would then be disengaged, and thus not work.

Say you modify it by jamming something in there. What do you do when your mod fails?? Your life may be depending on that gun.

So... if it ain't broke, don't bother fixing it. Not being able to fire it without the mag in isn't neccessarily a benefit. Heck, I don't like holding the gun without a mag in it, because of the finger rest. I wouldn't bother trying to fire it without a mag in it anyway.

albanian
May 9, 2006, 11:41 PM
"So... if it ain't broke, don't bother fixing it. Not being able to fire it without the mag in isn't neccessarily a benefit. Heck, I don't like holding the gun without a mag in it, because of the finger rest. I wouldn't bother trying to fire it without a mag in it anyway."

I think it is safer to have the mag safety removed because you are not forced to load a mag into the gun to un-cock the hammer. I guess on the Bersa it is not an issue since there is the de-cocker but on some single actions like the BHP or the Star BM, it may actually end up causing a AD.

Mortech
May 10, 2006, 01:16 AM
I suggest you try this forum --> http://bersatalk.com/forums/

kd5nay
September 11, 2007, 11:47 PM
I dont know if anyone is still reading this thread but disengaging the magazine safety is EASY!!!!! Just remove the spring at the bottom of the right side of the frame under the grips. There is a spring on the action bar that will automatically pull the disconnect up so the trigger will engage every time. Dont even bother taking out the disconnector. And for all those that are talking about liability....if you're gonna sell it or loan it, PUT THE SPRING BACK IN! Problem solved. I have had mine removed for years and no problems.

Whirlwind06
September 12, 2007, 01:44 PM
certified gunsmith
Is there such a thing as a certified gun smith?

BTW there are a lot of people carrying around BHPs with the mag disconnect removed.

gbelleh
September 12, 2007, 07:39 PM
I never did disable the mag disconnect on this gun. I still shoot it occasionally and it doesn't bother me at all anymore.

MICHAEL T
September 12, 2007, 08:11 PM
bersa talk .com
No I won't allow posting how to dicconnect on the board. It a safety issue and if something were to happen I wouldn't want BT dragged into it because I allowed the information to be posted.. It will also void you factory warrenty.

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