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V4Vendetta
February 6, 2006, 11:35 AM
I went to "Sports Authority" recently. I walked by the gun section & saw a sign that said "To purchase ammunition that can be used for both long guns & handguns, you must be at least 21 or older. This includes but is not limited to .22 ammunition." Now I've been wanting to buy a Marlin 7000 but according to this sign, I could get the gun but I couldn't buy ammo for it! Is this a law in NC or just the store policy?:confused:

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DontBurnMyFlag
February 6, 2006, 11:49 AM
I have the same problem in NJ, only mine is a little worse. I went to purchase 9mm ammo from Dicks Sporting Goods and they wanted to put my name address and phone number down in a little book. I asked why and they said you have to register to buy handgun ammo. You also had to be 21 to buy handgun ammo, I think it was a store policy. But yea, I now do my business at small independently owned stores. Help the little guy.

Medusa
February 6, 2006, 12:11 PM
So? Here when I buy ammo my license'es number is written down, alongside with my address. On licence there's my name, social security number, address, list of guns owned. And I manage to do buying without hassle. Also, no guns, besides .22LR and smoothbores, are sold to persons below 21.

Gun_nut
February 6, 2006, 12:13 PM
:) no problem in oregon

V4Vendetta
February 6, 2006, 12:15 PM
None of this answers my question. Is this a law in NC or just the store policy?

Optical Serenity
February 6, 2006, 12:15 PM
Move to Georgia...you may get told something about age and ammo at Walmart, but that is rare too. And they don't write anything down when you buy ammo.

1911Tuner
February 6, 2006, 12:17 PM
Howdy V4,

You're not old enough to remember it, but there was a time that you had to be 21 and sign for any ammunition that would chamber in a handgun...regardless of whether or not you stated that you didn't own a handgun in that caliber. Not so long ago, you even had to sign for component bullets in handgun caliber. I believe that it went away in 1983 or '84. Looks like it's coming back, though at the present it's pretty much up to the individual store or chain.

V4Vendetta
February 6, 2006, 12:31 PM
"Move to Georgia"

I can't. If I moved anywhere, it would be to Alaska. Pretty mountains, clean air, no neighbors & lots of space.:cool: :)

jerkface11
February 6, 2006, 12:32 PM
Exactly what cartridges do they NOT make a handgun in?

HerrWolfe
February 6, 2006, 12:36 PM
10 ga to 410 ga. No pistols in these :) I don't think. Also http://www.grnc.org/firearms.htm show the laws for your state.

1911Tuner
February 6, 2006, 12:43 PM
Exactly what cartridges do they NOT make a handgun in?

Not many...and the mid-80s law requiring records of handgun ammo went away with the influx of the single-shot Thompson Center Contender pistols
that offered switch-barrels in rifle calibers. Possibly because it would have required that all dealers become educated in exactly which rifle calibers the Contenders were chambered for..and the ensuing headaches that it would have caused. I don't know what role, if any, that the Contenders played in the repeal of that law...only speculation/guesswork/rumor....but it occurred at about the same time.

There was also talk/rumor/speculation of requiring all buyers of Thompson
Contender carbines to obtain a pistol permit, since the carbines could be converted to pistols with a simple furniture and barrel swap...but it never came to fruition.

mbs357
February 6, 2006, 12:43 PM
I know a guy who has a .410 Derringer.

1911Tuner
February 6, 2006, 12:49 PM
I know a guy who has a .410 Derringer.

Bet it's got a rifled barrel and chambered for .45 Colt, I betcha.;)

mbs357
February 6, 2006, 01:01 PM
I'm pretty sure it said .410 on the side of the barrel...but I can't remember.
I'm just going by what he told me, and he did told me that it was a .410 barrel (it came with several).

aufevermike
February 6, 2006, 01:30 PM
"Move to Georgia"

I can't. If I moved anywhere, it would be to Alaska. Pretty mountains, clean air, no neighbors & lots of space.:cool: :)

Pretty mountains = yes, Clean air =yes, lots of space = yes, no neighbor= used to be.
Seems everyone else has your ideas as well. They just keep coming and building.
I'm not trying to stop you from moving to AK, I'm just letting you know that you need at least 70 acres in order to live your AK Dream.

Here ar one particular department store you have to sigh the box so they know you can't return it. I did however find a crossed out name with a permanent marker on one...... go figure

V4Vendetta
February 6, 2006, 01:43 PM
"you need at least 70 acres in order to live your AK Dream."


How much does that cost?

Infidel
February 6, 2006, 01:44 PM
It's not "store policy"; it's not "state law"; it's Federal law.
http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/FederalGunLaws.aspx?ID=60
"It is unlawful for any licensed importer, dealer, manufacturer or collector to transfer shotgun or rifle ammunition to anyone under the age of 18, or any handgun ammunition to anyone under the age of 21."

jerkface11
February 6, 2006, 02:21 PM
But what counts as handgun ammo?

sturmruger
February 6, 2006, 02:25 PM
To answer your question that is not uncommon. It has been a while since I bought any ammo at Wallmart, but if I remember correctly their cash register will ask you if .22lr ammo is for a rifle or pistol. If you say pistol they will card you. My favorite thing to do is tell them it is for a machine gun that tends to make them nervous, but it is funny to see their reaction.

It is a stupid law because if someone was 18 and decided to buy a 9mm carbine I would never be able to purchase any ammo for it.

Starter52
February 6, 2006, 02:41 PM
It wasn't the influx of rifle calibers in the T/C pistols that made the ammo registration go away in 1986. It was Ronald Reagan signing the Gun Owners' Rights Act that amended the Gun Control Act of 1968.

The ammo registration was the dumbest law ever passed. Truth is, most dealers had stopped bothering with the ammo registration books by 1982 because the BATF simply didn't care anymore.

Even BATF recognized the stupidity of making you sign each time you bought a box of .22s.

Infidel
February 6, 2006, 03:03 PM
But what counts as handgun ammo?
Ah! That is the question. The safe approach, taken by some (many? (most?)) dealers is to treat any ammunition that is commonly used in both, like the .22 LR that seems to be the main one people gripe about, as "handgun ammunition". I think that I would take that approach if I were a dealer.

It has been my experience that prosecutors do not take what I would call a reasonable or even sane approach to interpreting ambiguous parts of the law. Rather, they take the most restrictive view, sometimes outrageously so.

pharmer
February 6, 2006, 03:21 PM
Y'all think you got it bad. Kissimmee SA moved to a new location. Brand new store. Nice except NO GUNS OR AMMO. Never will go in that store again, I don't care if they sell $50 fishing rods with a $100 rebate. Well, maybe then:D Joe

middy
February 6, 2006, 03:46 PM
Truth is, most dealers had stopped bothering with the ammo registration books by 1982 because the BATF simply didn't care anymore.
More likely, they became overwhelmed with the mountains of paperwork.

"We're supposed to do what with all of this?"

jtward01
February 6, 2006, 04:54 PM
None of this answers my question. Is this a law in NC or just the store policy?

Federal law used to prohibit the sale of handgun ammunition to persons under 21. (Does it still?) Exactly how they enforced this was up to the store. At the Walmart closest to me the clerk always asked if the ammo was for a handgun or a rifle. I usually said a rifle and that's that. If I said handgun they recorded my ID info. At another Walmart that I sometimes shopped at they required ID for any ammo purchase if the ammo could be used in a handgun.

Back in the early 1970s I had a friend who was a state certified police officer and employed as a police officer by the small town of Auburndale, Florida. He was only 19 years old. When ever we went out to shoot I had to sign for his ammo because he was still under 21. Make sense of that!

MedGrl
February 6, 2006, 04:56 PM
The Walmart where I am has the same sign posted so...I guess it is a new law/policy nantion wide

Azrael256
February 6, 2006, 05:00 PM
Ok, riddle me this: I picked up a value pack of WWB .45 and a box of Remington .22 at wally world the other day. The clerk asked me if it was for a shotgun. She didn't say anything about rifle or pistol, but shotgun. Go figure.

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