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280PLUS
April 12, 2003, 07:32 PM
polymer,,,kind of like the medium sized glock, a lot.

dont know the model right off.

i got 3 separate reports on jamming

i know this should go in autoloaders but everybody should know about this.

right in front of me, new outta the box, the guy fired through 1 mag, second mag, he jacke the first round, won't fire, wont jack open anymore, with or without mag.

guy left with a jammed gun with a live one in the chamber

then i heard later from another of 2 other reports same exact problem

not good...:what:

m

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benewton
April 12, 2003, 07:58 PM
S&W auto and you were expecting ???

Alex
April 12, 2003, 08:06 PM
I bought a used S&W model 908 a couple weeks ago. I've since put in about 400 rounds of mixed ammo through it and haven't had a jam yet. I don't care for S&W politics, but they make good guns, be it revolvers or autos, if the person has a problem with the function of that particular gun he should probably send it back to the factory or play around with a different brand of ammunition.

Standing Wolf
April 12, 2003, 09:56 PM
Semi-automatic pistols frequently have ammunition preferences, sometimes strong preferences.

That saidâ„¢, I've known a number of people with problem Smith & Wesson semi-automatics. I like the company's revolvers, loathe its agreement with the Snopes Clinton-Liar Gore rĂ©gime, and can't imagine I'd ever have an interest in its semi-automatics.

Hkmp5sd
April 12, 2003, 11:01 PM
Sounds like the S&W Sigma SW9F. For the most part, they function fairly well straight out of the box. Can't blame the gun right off the bat for the problem. Could be the ammo or magazine (magazine can deform the brass, which gets stuck in the chamber after the slide slams it in). Could be too much lubrication in the gun from storage that wasn't cleaned out before shooting.

Al Thompson
April 13, 2003, 08:24 AM
It's a bit early to condem all S&W autos. Tooo many variables for a conclusion. FWIW, I've fired several of the 3rd Gen pistols and have been very happy with them.

280PLUS
April 13, 2003, 09:03 AM
i'm not condemning them,,,just passing my experience along...

jamming with a live round in the chamber that you can't remove seems pretty dangerous to me so i'm just letting you folks in on it.

thats all...

:D

oh yea, he was using some russian ammo:rolleyes:

PCRCCW
April 13, 2003, 12:21 PM
S&W auto and you were expecting ???" Hmmmmmmm

3rd Gen guns are worth their weight in gold.....more if the market keeps it up.

You could phrase it like " A Sigma and you were expecting?"

Now thats perfect......:D

Shoot well

benEzra
April 13, 2003, 05:17 PM
oh yea, he was using some russian ammo
This may be part of the problem. Some guns (rifles and pistols alike) work fine with steel-cased Russian ammo, and some absolutely won't work with it at all.

I have a S&W 3913LS with several thousand rounds through it and ZERO failures--no stovepipes, no failures to feed, no failures to lock back on an empty magazine, no parts failures, NOTHING. And it is the most accurate handgun I've ever owned, even though it's a compact. (I just shot mine side by side with a Glock 34 [longslide] two weeks ago, and the accuracy from a sandbag was identical.) But I've never used anything but brass-cased ammo.

stans
April 13, 2003, 06:35 PM
I have an older S&W model 439, a few hundred rounds and no problems. No steel cased ammo either, only brass cases.

Jiml3
April 13, 2003, 06:42 PM
I own a S&W 6906 and never encountered a problem with feeding or extraction. Absolutely flawless with several thousand rounds thru it, including Wolf (the Russian stuff), CCI Blazer the aluminum ammo and hollow points. I trust my life with it.

As far as S&W's politics, that is no longer an issue. The company was sold and an American once again owns it. They make great guns and have a great service dept. They now deserve the support of shooters.

JimL3

benewton
April 13, 2003, 06:51 PM
Ah well, OK, you're semi right,PCRCCW.

Somewhere, around and about, we've an M-39, an M-60. and an M-4516.

The 39's shot out, blowing out the safety after around 30 years or so, and, while repaired, I simply can't really believe in it, caliber or weapon, although at one time I thought it the "coolest" weapon available.

The 60 is the wife's weapon, hopefully never to be used beyond the yearly "You gotta shoot!".

The 4516 is a serious weapon, but it was replaced by the USPc .40 S&W a few years ago. Too heavy, at best, though I might have gone for the .45 USPc had it been available.

The Sigma's suck. The worst weapon I've ever fired was the .380 version. Maybe I shouldn't have ever fired the Walther.

Nothing S&W does in the semiautomatic field will ever be of interest to me: there are better vendors.

As for revolvers, there they shine!
And, funds permitting, I'll buy theirs, the day that they renounce their agreement.

Hkmp5sd
April 13, 2003, 07:35 PM
I have a 59 (1st Generation), 5906 (3rd Generation) and a .40 S&W Sigma. They all function flawlessly.

S&W autoloaders are the same as those made by other companies. Sometimes you get one that just doesn't work. Doesn't mean everything made by the company is a POS. Of course, when paying that much money for a firearm, you should expect to get one that works. Unfortunately, given the attutide and QA of most manufacturers, that isn't always the case.

280PLUS
April 13, 2003, 08:19 PM
i checked their site and it looks like it was an sw99 that was being finicky,,,

i didn't touch the gun but the way this guy was yanking on the slide while it was totally not moving i felt it to be an internal mechanical problem, but i guess it could have been a bad round stuck in the chamber.

the thing that bothered me is hearing of the exact same problem with 3 different examples of the same model

hence my desire to let the rest of you in on it.

happy shootin'!!

m

:D

Ala Dan
April 14, 2003, 04:19 AM
is a model 39 or 39-2; nothing else!:uhoh: :)

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

M1911
April 14, 2003, 10:38 AM
The third generation are fine. The Sigmas suck, big time.

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