New SIG 556...predictions??? Two days left.


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Greg Bell
February 7, 2006, 07:18 PM
Guys,


The scuttlebutt is that the new SIG rifle is a SIG550 series with (1) a sixteen inch barrel; (2) AR (style) six-position stock; and (3) AR style mags.

The above is pretty much accepted as being true (so I incorporated it into my mock-up).

Rumors have it that the Stock will be more SCARish than M4ish. Other rumors are that the lower will be made of plastic and that the mags, though AR-style, will be made of plastic and have the 550 mag linking system.


Here is my cheesy photochopped mock-up:http://homepage.mac.com/timetravelfoundation/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2006-01-30%2015.35.19%20-0800/Image-2715B31391E811DA.jpg

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TexasRifleman
February 7, 2006, 07:18 PM
I predict I get mine before you do :evil:

Greg Bell
February 7, 2006, 07:21 PM
I hate you.

MTMilitiaman
February 7, 2006, 07:46 PM
HAHAHA!

What are the MSRP predictions?

Greg Bell
February 7, 2006, 07:49 PM
~1400

TexasRifleman
February 7, 2006, 08:16 PM
OK, I hate me too. So, rather than gloat I'll contribute.

I think you're pretty close, but I do think we'll see some of the SAPR, especially the rail system. Since SIG already is selling this it makes sense to see a continuation of it. I'm not crazy about it actually, but I think it will be included.

http://homepage.mac.com/jayc67/sapr.jpg

Lone_Gunman
February 7, 2006, 08:59 PM
What is the advantage of the Sig over an AR?

Deer Hunter
February 7, 2006, 09:02 PM
The name.

Greg Bell
February 7, 2006, 09:20 PM
In absolute terms the major advantage of the 556 is probably reliability since it is a highly refined AK type design. There is a reason why so many of the AR manufacturers are switching to piston designs. Further, It should be at least as, or more accurate than the AR if the 550 design is carried over. One of the complaints has been that too many concessions (weight) were made in the name of accuracy (shooting is said to be the Swiss national sport). The trigger on the 550 series is also very nice. Hopefully the sights will be carried over unchanged, since most who have used the SIG sights agree they are superior to standard AR sights.

In fact, the only advantage the AR might have is weight and gadgetry. And, given that the 556 is supposed to have a full complement of rails, even the gadget angle may be moot.

Of course, if the AR is your definition of perfect, the 550 will do nothing for you. For those of us who find the AR lacking, the 556 may be the next step.

Nightcrawler
February 7, 2006, 09:25 PM
Greg, I once had a man tell me he couldn't think of anything as good as an AR-15. Not anything better, anything as good. By his definition, everything else was inferior. A few gun types out there (ARs, 1911s in general, Colts, Glocks, and a few others) seem to have a group of supporters that are very ardent indeed... ;)

cslinger
February 7, 2006, 09:34 PM
Can't say anything about the 556 being better then the AR series since it is a new and likely unproven firearm. Yes it may be based on a very good firearm but based on the rumors it will have quite a few new/different features.

All that being said I am a SIG guy and would like a SIG rifle.

Lee F
February 7, 2006, 09:37 PM
I would like to believe it will be more accurate than the AR15 but what facts do we have to document this claim? Are you saying more accurate than a rack grade M16 or a rifle capable of hanging with a NM floated barrel AR?

Deer Hunter
February 7, 2006, 09:38 PM
I honestly do hope it blows the regular AR market out of the water. Maybe that will make the prices go down and I might be able to afford one after my FAL purchase.

Nightcrawler
February 7, 2006, 09:46 PM
Personally? I like diversity. I'd like to see more Sigs, HKs, AUGs, SCARs, FN2000s, you name, out there in the hands of the public, instead of every 5.56 shooter having to choose between an AR or an AR.

KriegHund
February 7, 2006, 09:49 PM
Personally? I like diversity. I'd like to see more Sigs, HKs, AUGs, SCARs, FN2000s, you name, out there in the hands of the public, instead of every 5.56 shooter having to choose between an AR or an AR.

Theres only 3 .223 i can think of right now-

Mini-14
AR
AK (variants)

HPJeep
February 7, 2006, 10:38 PM
Will this come in .308 too? I need another .308 battlerifle!

Deer Hunter
February 7, 2006, 10:39 PM
Forgot the M17 and pistol varients.

If sig makes it, you know people will buy it just for the name. They look nice, I have to give them that.

TexasRifleman
February 7, 2006, 10:40 PM
What is the advantage of the Sig over an AR?

A choice. Up until now the AR has had no competition in that space.
Of the 3 mentioned above: AR, Mini14, AK, only the AR has done well
in the market. Minis and AKs can't really compete with ARs. No LE
agency in the country is going to choose an AK for it's patrol rifle ;)
So by default the AK is always going to be small production and a nich market.

No rumors of .308 unfortunately. THAT would be something!

You have to remember what this rifle is for. SIG isn't producing this to keep us
gun nuts happy. SIG wants in the lucrative patrol rifle market. It's clear there is
money to be made there or else you certainly wouldn't see S&W doing an AR.

Greg Bell
February 7, 2006, 10:44 PM
Deerhunter,

The name.

If sig makes it, you know people will buy it just for the name

Gotcha. No need to keep repeating the insult.

jeff-10
February 7, 2006, 10:44 PM
I really wish it would come from the factory with the traditional side folding stock.

Nightcrawler
February 7, 2006, 10:44 PM
Isn't there a version of the SIG 550 in .308? I could've swore I remember reading about that somewhere.

Waitaminute! That rifle in the TexasSIGMan's first picture has a magazine that looks suspiciously .308-esque! What is that rifle?

TexasRifleman
February 7, 2006, 10:45 PM
Isn't there a version of the SIG 550 in .308? I could've swore I remember reading about that somewhere.

Yes, that's the SAPR pictured above, but we can't import it here and there is no rumor of a domestically produced version :(

Deer Hunter
February 7, 2006, 10:48 PM
Sorry Greg, just a mistake due to an insufficient amount of sleep.

Any chance of these rifles being chambered in 6.8mm SPC?

TexasRifleman
February 7, 2006, 10:50 PM
Sorry Greg, just a mistake due to an insufficient amount of sleep.

Any chance of these rifles being chambered in 6.8mm SPC?

Doubt it. Not from SIG anyway. The money is in the LE market. 5.56 is doing extremely well in that role, so I doubt there will be any other chamberings. Purely speculation on my part though. Who knows what the aftermarket crowd will bring.

My hope is that the 556 will sell well enough that there will be plenty of aftermarket choices like the AR enjoys.

Greg Bell
February 7, 2006, 10:54 PM
If it can be modified and re-chambered into a .308 it should be a snap to make it a 6.8.

Dallas239
February 7, 2006, 11:15 PM
No need to speculate any longer pics and specs over at sigforum (http://sigforum.com/groupee/forums?a=tpc&s=674608412&f=630601935&m=722107584&r=114107584#114107584).;)

Nightcrawler
February 7, 2006, 11:22 PM
Neat.

But did they have to make the stock look like a CAR-15 stock? They're so goofy looking. Couldn't somebody design a telescoping stock that's better? Well, a few people have, actually...

Dallas239
February 7, 2006, 11:26 PM
The stock is a bit goofy IMO. But it looks a lot like Greg Bell's photoshop job, doesn't it?

Dionysusigma
February 7, 2006, 11:29 PM
If you could slap a MagPul stock on it, then... hmm... *drool*

If any of this is true, I want one. Never liked the AR, but I've been looking at DSA's improvements. If the SIG becomes a reality, then to heck with any and all ARs.

If mags are cheap, that is... :scrutiny:

Nightcrawler
February 7, 2006, 11:33 PM
If mags are cheap, that is...

It takes M16 magazines.

TexasRifleman
February 7, 2006, 11:37 PM
Good Lord. Pics over at the other place.....

It's an AR. :scrutiny:

My gut reaction is that it's good, maybe very good. Just very different.

Greg Bell
February 7, 2006, 11:46 PM
I like it!

My photoshop job was pretty close.:D

http://homepage.mac.com/timetravelfoundation/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2006-01-30%2015.35.19%20-0800/Image-2715B31391E811DA.jpg

http://sigforum.com/movedimages/para/556/556a.jpg

Actually, I think I prefer mine! But I can't wait to get my two!!!

Greg Bell
February 7, 2006, 11:52 PM
I think there may be hope, stock wise. First, you can always pic another Ar stock (I might prefer a short fixed stock). Second, looking at that picture it looks like the old stock assembly might be retrofittable.

TexasRifleman
February 7, 2006, 11:56 PM
Magpul is announcing some new stocks at SHOT, updated version of this one here. I think it would be a good match for the 556.

http://www.magpul.com/pics/prs_2.jpg

Greg Bell
February 8, 2006, 12:00 AM
That Magpul stock will be on my SIG 556 if it will work. Hell, I would prefer to that to the standard 550 stock. Aesthetically it fits the 556 better than what SIG put on there.

TexasRifleman
February 8, 2006, 12:00 AM
Here is the new Magpul to be announced at SHOT, or at least this is the beta version. Seems perfect for this.

http://www.magpul.com/pics/ubr1.jpg

TexasRifleman
February 8, 2006, 12:03 AM
That Magpul stock will be on my SIG 556 if it will work. Hell, I would prefer to that to the standard 550 stock. Aesthetically it fits the 556 better than what SIG put on there.

Well show us oh Obi-Wan of the Photoshop :evil:

Greg Bell
February 8, 2006, 01:04 AM
Obi wan my ass! I downloaded a free copy and I only have 12 days left. I'll do some up tomorrow. I need sleep.:D

JimJD
February 8, 2006, 10:24 AM
Oh...

My...

YES!!!

I've been waiting so long for this. And now it looks like it's going to happen!
This changes everything for Me, I do believe that AR purchase I've been mulling over is going to change. The "L" version sounds very interesting.
Hmmm... late summer release. August might be a very good month this year!

The MSRP's don't seem that bad either...

KriegHund
February 9, 2006, 04:34 PM
*Dances*

This is more important than just one gun.

It means there is could be more interest by military contract co's in civilian markets.

Pardini Fan
February 9, 2006, 05:15 PM
http://sigforum.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/630601935/m/722107584

Take a look at this link.
LEster

KriegHund
February 9, 2006, 05:52 PM
Gosh thats purdy!

english kanigit
February 9, 2006, 06:27 PM
Hmmmmm, I was hoping for something more 550-like in regards to sights and barrel length... :(

spacemanspiff
February 9, 2006, 06:30 PM
mmmm sigs!

well, i guess it will also be coming to other dealers as well, hehehe

happyhooligan
February 9, 2006, 08:16 PM
Yuck. They had a good thing, then they turned it into a piston AR. I think it'll still look goofy if the M-4 stock comes off. They also had to please the lego rail crowd by getting rid of the drumsight and slapping a cheese grader on top of it. Why, why, why......

Why can the Canadians have the real deal, while we're stuck with b@stard child of a one-night stand between Sig 550 and a mall-Ninja AR!!!!

I would pay $1,500 for the real deal 550. Heck, I would even pay $30 for Sig magazines.

I guess I'll just stick to my plain jane AR for my .223 shooting needs until they get some tooling over here to make a real Sig rifle.

cbsbyte
February 10, 2006, 03:18 AM
Another "Assault rifle" that will never see the gun racks in Mass. :cuss:

eab
February 10, 2006, 09:17 AM
I just noticed something, why the heck would anybody bulid a modern rifle with a charging handle on the right side and not ambidextrous or on the left side? I mean all the other controls are setup for one handed operation like an ar but the charging handle is on the right side.

TexasRifleman
February 10, 2006, 09:20 AM
I just noticed something, why the heck would anybody bulid a modern rifle with a charging handle on the left side and not ambidextrous or on the right side?


What are you talking about? The charging handle is on the right side.
Check the pics above :confused:

mmike87
February 10, 2006, 12:31 PM
I just noticed something, why the heck would anybody bulid a modern rifle with a charging handle on the right side and not ambidextrous or on the left side? I mean all the other controls are setup for one handed operation like an ar but the charging handle is on the right side.

I LOVE the left-sided charging handle of my FAL. I find the rear-mounted charging handle of an AR a bit awkward, and dislike right mounted charging handles entirely after handling the FAL!

Perhaps I am just odd ... :D

eab
February 10, 2006, 12:55 PM
What are you talking about? The charging handle is on the right side.
Check the pics above :confused:

Thats what I mean, WHY, the right side?

Average right handed person, right hand is on the pistol grip, you can drop the mag, change from safe, to semi, to auto, all with out taking your hand off the grip. Then to charge it you have to either flip the rifle on its side, to yank it back with your left hand, or you have to take your hand of the pistol grip to charge it. It it was on the left side your right hand would never have to leave the pistol grip.

mmike87
February 10, 2006, 01:07 PM
Thats what I mean, WHY, the right side?

Average right handed person, right hand is on the pistol grip, you can drop the mag, change from safe, to semi, to auto, all with out taking your hand off the grip. Then to charge it you have to either flip the rifle on its side, to yank it back with your left hand, or you have to take your hand of the pistol grip to charge it. It it was on the left side your right hand would never have to leave the pistol grip.

Like I said, I'm with you on this one! No offense to our south-pawed forum members, but left sided charging handles rock.

GunnySkox
February 10, 2006, 01:22 PM
Like I said, I'm with you on this one! No offense to our south-pawed forum members, but left sided charging handles rock.

Wrong-hander here, and I think I'd prefer a charging handle on the left side of the gun. It's a lot easier to hold the weapon up with your forward hand than with your grip hand, so it'd be pie to just grab the charging handle, pull it back, let go, and drop my hand back on the grip to shoot again. As it stands, with my Mini, I have to lean my head back, reach over the gun with my left hand, and hit the op rod back with my hand to charge it.

~GnSx

bowfin
February 10, 2006, 01:24 PM
Nice...what other chamberings are they offering?:rolleyes:

"Lord, I apologize for that one there, and please be with the starving Pygmies in New Guinea..."---Borrowed from Larry the Cable Guy

TexasRifleman
February 10, 2006, 01:39 PM
Thats what I mean, WHY, the right side?

Average right handed person, right hand is on the pistol grip, you can drop the mag, change from safe, to semi, to auto, all with out taking your hand off the grip. Then to charge it you have to either flip the rifle on its side, to yank it back with your left hand, or you have to take your hand of the pistol grip to charge it. It it was on the left side your right hand would never have to leave the pistol grip.



Understand, now that you've edited your post for the typo. My misunderstanding since your original post said left.

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