Is it me or are milled AKs really heavy?


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beerslurpy
February 7, 2006, 10:56 PM
Milled AK + KCI quad rail + 40 round mags full of 154gr SPs = workout for your arms.

I am begining to appreciate the logic behind teensy carbines made of plastic and aluminum.

I think that the energy you spend fighting recoil when shooting is less important than the energy you expend walking around with a heavy rifle and not shooting 99% of the time.

One thing that has occurred to me is that as rifles get lighter, an increasingly significant portion of the weight is ammo. Loaded 40 round AK mags are heavy like bricks. I have been thinking a lot about the feasibility of a 5.7mm SAW. It would allow you to generate a lot more suppressive fire for the same amount of weight and it would still wound armored people out to 200 yards, which isnt much worse than 223.

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georgeduz
February 7, 2006, 11:02 PM
yes i good sling always helps,i had to carry for a year,try one of these types,sorry couldnt get pic to download

HPJeep
February 7, 2006, 11:34 PM
Milled AKs are I think almost a pound heavier than stamped receiver versions. Maybe not quite a pound heavier but somewhere around there. You ought to be glad you don't have an AR with all of the rails, laser, light, optics, bayo, rear view mirror, grenade launcher, ionic air purifier, and a dolly setup to pull it behind you. Those suckers are heavy!

clange
February 8, 2006, 04:53 AM
Comparing some numbers quickly and pretty unscientifically :) on arsenal incs website, the milled guns can be 1 pound heavier or more (15% or so).

A lot of people, myself included, like stamped better for this reason.

gazpacho
February 8, 2006, 06:10 AM
Think about it this way, would you rather get punched by a guy carrying around an M4 all day long, or one carrying the milled AK? People adapt.

Zach S
February 8, 2006, 09:01 AM
I have noticed they're heavier. I also own two thompsons, so most EBRs seem light to me.

Onmilo
February 8, 2006, 10:06 AM
Yeah, milled AKs are about as heavy as an M14, or maybe one of those lightweight wunder carbine M4 variations with all the junk bolted on!

MechAg94
February 8, 2006, 10:31 AM
I have a Vepr so I think my stamped AK may be heavier. :) But then, I don't have to carry it around all day.

I agree that a good sling is probably in order.

MechAg94
February 8, 2006, 10:35 AM
Hey, does Arsenal, Inc still sell the 5.45 rifles? Their website says they are all out lately.

benEzra
February 8, 2006, 02:30 PM
You ought to be glad you don't have an AR with all of the rails, laser, light, optics, bayo, rear view mirror, grenade launcher, ionic air purifier, and a dolly setup to pull it behind you.

:D

Funniest thing I've read all day.

Father Knows Best
February 8, 2006, 02:57 PM
You ought to be glad you don't have an AR with all of the rails, laser, light, optics, bayo, rear view mirror, grenade launcher, ionic air purifier, and a dolly setup to pull it behind you. Those suckers are heavy!

Don't forget heated seats and cruise control!

clange
February 8, 2006, 03:36 PM
Hey, does Arsenal, Inc still sell the 5.45 rifles? Their website says they are all out lately.
I thought they were, but a few posts over at ak47.net makes it sound like they arent making them anymore. If you want one nows probably the time, before the prices go up.

Edit: Theres only one on gunbroker, and its a good price. http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=43213224 Keep in mind though, its the ban model. You can add a new FSB and muzzle brake later though.

MechAg94
February 8, 2006, 05:50 PM
Can't buy a gun right now. That might change in a few months.

Well, I could buy a gun, but I have been telling myself I will wait a few months at least. I need to buy some .308 surplus and some more 7.5X55 first.

rangerruck
February 9, 2006, 05:11 AM
dependign ont the type and lenght of bbl, they are 1 to 1.5 lbs heavier. milled out form solid steel billets.

MTMilitiaman
February 9, 2006, 05:19 AM
Hey, does Arsenal, Inc still sell the 5.45 rifles? Their website says they are all out lately.

They are advertising them in the latest edition of Shotgun News, the one with the issue on the FN PS90, page 144.

Crosshair
February 9, 2006, 05:39 AM
HPJeep

What, no CD player?:scrutiny:

swingset
February 9, 2006, 06:04 AM
Think about it this way, would you rather get punched by a guy carrying around an M4 all day long, or one carrying the milled AK? People adapt.

Hmmm.....let me think about this.

Take a punch from this warrior?

http://peaceworkers.org.uk/images/Child%20soldier.small%20-%20PANOS.JPG

Or take a shot from one of these wimpy looking guys...

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20040818/capt.sge.bfc41.180804053907.photo00.default-384x264.jpg

Gewehr98
February 9, 2006, 07:16 PM
Is it me or are milled AKs really heavy?

The weight difference between my milled Bulgarian SLR-95 and stamped Romanian SAR-1 are negligible. However, I will give the SLR-95 the edge on accuracy, 2" at 100 yards compared to 3" at 100 yards for the SAR-1. (My handloads, I won't run steel cased crap through either rifle.)

Drakejake
February 9, 2006, 07:49 PM
It may be heavier than a stamped, but my milled MAK-90 is a superb rifle. Works for me.

Drakejake

Rambosky
February 9, 2006, 10:39 PM
I take my milled SA93 and do arms curls, upright rowing, behind the neck presses and run at port arms with it. So.......it's no longer heavy. ;)

beerslurpy
February 9, 2006, 10:59 PM
Or take a shot from one of these wimpy looking guys...

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20040818/capt.sge.bfc41.180804053907.photo00.default-384x264.jpg

That reminds me of this not-yet-produced prequel:
http://i1.tinypic.com/ngadrq.jpg
edited pic for bad words and reposted

Crosshair
February 9, 2006, 11:43 PM
Sad, but true beerslurpy.

Father Knows Best
February 10, 2006, 10:25 AM
It may be heavier than a stamped, but my milled MAK-90 is a superb rifle. Works for me.

Drakejake

I feel the same way about my Arsenal SA M-7S. Yes, it's heavy. No, I don't care. It is perfectly reliable, ridiculously accurate for an AK, soft-shooting (the weight helps here!), and it looks awesome. If I had to carry it all day, every day, in rough terrain, I might want to trade it for a stamped version (or an M4!). Since I never have to carry it farther than from my trunk to the bench, I'm perfectly happy with it as-is.

Lupinus
February 10, 2006, 10:45 AM
If I had to carry it all day, every day, in rough terrain, I might want to trade it for a stamped version (or an M4!). Since I never have to carry it farther than from my trunk to the bench, I'm perfectly happy with it as-is.
Yeah, but you would also get used to it.

I don't want to run five miles I'd be a zombie for two weeks, but I know people that do it at least once a week....and enjoy it. I'm not sure if enjoying it is natural but thats another matter.

Point is you get used to it and build up the extra muscle mass needed to do it just as easily and when all we are talking is a few pounds that would likly happen quickly.

MechAg94
February 10, 2006, 02:36 PM
I got used to that extra weight around my gut okay no sweat. :D

rbernie
February 10, 2006, 03:01 PM
So if I drop that extra 15lbs I'm toting around my midsection, I should be able to carry a milled AK and a half dozen extra 30-round magazines and never notice the difference? :D

MechAg94
February 10, 2006, 03:52 PM
Go ahead and drop the weight. If you don't notice the difference, I'll buy you a box of twinkies. :D

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