Hearing on BATFE Abuses (from NRA-ILA) Feb 15


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Bubbles
February 9, 2006, 07:54 AM
NRA-ILA Alert Feb 8

OVERSIGHT HEARING SET ON BATFE ABUSE AT RICHMOND, VA GUN SHOWS

On February 15, the U.S. House Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism and Homeland Security will hold an oversight hearing to investigate apparent wrongdoing by BATFE at a Richmond, VA gun show last August.

In 2004-05, a troubling pattern emerged at a number of Richmond, VA-area gun shows, where hundreds of BATFE agents and state and local police staked out local shows. Immediately upon learning of these incidents, NRA began investigating and working to ensure congressional oversight hearings would be held to determine any wrongdoing and ensure BATFE was not overstepping its bounds or violating the law.

BATFE agents copied lawful gun purchase transaction records and provided this information to local police officers, who in turn conducted "residency checks." Federal law prohibits the release of this information except to state and local police to identify prohibited purchasers or recipients of guns. The information provided to local police prompted multiple instances of officers showing up at the homes of those who lawfully purchased firearms from licensed dealers at area gun shows. On occasions when the lawful purchasers were not at home, agents questioned family members (for example, inquiring of a wife if she knew her husband was at a gun show and/or had purchased a firearm) or their neighbors. In other cases, reports surfaced of lawful gun owners and holders of valid carry permits having their firearms confiscated.

Those interested in watching the hearings online may do at http://judiciary.house.gov/schedule.aspx.

So now we all get to watch SIXPACK.

Hopefully CSPAN will also cover this!

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woerm
February 9, 2006, 10:55 AM
Thanks for the update,

forwarded the info to my rep Sam Johnson TX-3.

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Kim
February 9, 2006, 12:39 PM
We and all other gunnies need to bombard C-span with e-mails demanding they show this otherwise they will not.

Kim
February 9, 2006, 12:42 PM
Where is the ACLU whinnnnning privacy rights? Where is the MSM telling citizens of the government the abuse of power. Will we see a NYT editorial decrying the loss of civil rights and screaming about an over powerful Federal Government. NAH>:cuss:

Sam Adams
February 9, 2006, 01:37 PM
I'd like to see the hearings expanded to the incompetent handling of the NFA database by the Batf...ers. Maybe that'll get the '86 machine gun ban looked at seriously and repealed.

Well, I can dream, can't I?

LAR-15
February 9, 2006, 01:45 PM
This is great.

Who will be the chairman of the hearings?

LAR-15
February 9, 2006, 01:47 PM
Wednesday 02/15/2006 - 4:30 PM
2141 Rayburn House Office Building
Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security
Oversight Hearing of "The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) Part 1: Gun Show Enforcement."

HankB
February 9, 2006, 02:00 PM
BATFE agents copied lawful gun purchase transaction records and provided this information to local police officers, who in turn conducted "residency checks." Federal law prohibits the release of this information except to state and local police to identify prohibited purchasers or recipients of guns.Q: If it turns out Federal law was violated, exactly when will we be able to expect the Federal criminal prosecutions of those responsible to begin?

A: Not before pigs fly, Hell freezes over, and the Cubs win the World Series.

If the law requires (or prohibits) certain action by government employees, but provides for no penalties, the law is meaningless.

Standing Wolf
February 9, 2006, 08:13 PM
If the law requires (or prohibits) certain action by government employees, but provides for no penalties, the law is meaningless.

Well, yeah, but it makes people feel better, you know?

Highland Ranger
February 9, 2006, 08:38 PM
Didn't the cubs win last year?

KriegHund
February 9, 2006, 08:46 PM
NRA is good for things. See.

Waitone
February 9, 2006, 09:42 PM
Just received from JPFO

ALERT FROM JEWS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP
America's Aggressive Civil Rights Organization

February 9, 2006

JPFO ALERT: Congressional Hearings on the BATFE

In August of 2005, participants at gun shows in Virginia
were shocked to discover that while they were purchasing
perfectly legal firearms, BATFE agents visited their homes
and their neighbors' homes, asking questions like, "Do
you know your spouse/neighbor is buying a gun? How do you
feel about that?" (1) Agents obtained the residence
information from purchase forms that buyers are required to
fill out ... a clear violation of federal law.

Now, seven months later, the U.S. House Judiciary
Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism and Homeland Security will
hold an oversight hearing to investigate apparent
wrongdoing by BATFE. The hearings will be held on February
15, at 4:00 p.m. While we applaud the fact that _someone_
is looking into the issue, we remain skeptical as to the
outcome.

For one, the hearing is being chaired by James M.
Sensenbrenner. Despite the (R) after his name,
Sensenbrenner has shown multiple times that he is no friend
of gun owners. Author of the Real ID Act (2), Sensenbrenner
vigorously defended the BATFE after the John Glover
travesty (3). Not content with that, he has also refused to
allow HR 1603 -- the "Fairness in Firearms Testing" bill
(4) -- out of the _same_ committee now conducting these
hearings! With Sensenbrenner's record of support for the
State over the individual, how impartial can the hearings
be? That it was scheduled for 4pm -- too late for it to be
part of the evening news -- is equally telling. Are gun
owners being set up for betrayal yet again?

There's no dispute that the Virginia incidents were
completely unacceptable violations of individuals' rights
(as well as violations of federal law!). But we must ask,
what about all of the innocent gun owners currently rotting
in prison or left financially destitute as a direct result
of BATFE's capricious and arbitrary actions (5)? Will the
hearings address those who are falsely accused based on
dubious informant tips, set up by "experts" who don't
bother to examine the firearm in question (6), and
convicted on the subjective opinion of those same "experts"
(7)?

The BATFE has been known as a rogue agency for decades, yet
no one -- neither Democrat nor Republican -- has
attempted to rein them in. The few investigations into this
organization have netted at most a slap on the wrist. Why?
Because they are useful to those who wish to gather and
maintain power. A police state, after all, must have its
police force.

We must continue to educate everyone -- even those who
neither own nor like firearms -- about the dangerous power
of the BATFE, and the precedent it sets. If one agency can
arbitrarily decide whether an object is "legal" (without
any standards or documented testing procedures), than ANY
agency can. After all, if the BATFE can decide a shoestring
is a machine gun (8), what is to prevent the DEA from
declaring your greenhouse a "drug manufacturing plant"?

This issue affects all Americans, regardless of political
affiliation. Please, please take a moment to join our "Boot
the BATFE" campaign at http://www.jpfo.org/bootbatfe.htm .
We must continue to make noise about this issue and demand
our representatives do whatever it takes to put the BATFE
genie back in its bottle.

With all of the documented abuses the BATFE has indulged
in, there is NO excuse for defending this agency gone mad.
Anyone who defends, condones, or apologizes for the BATFE
is either willfully ignorant ... or maliciously power-
hungry. Boot them out of your lives, and tell them why. The
American people have tolerated this monstrosity for far too
long.

- The Liberty Crew

Sounds to me like Sensenbrenner is problematic. Perhaps he needs to hear from pro-2 types.

HankB
February 9, 2006, 09:50 PM
Didn't the cubs win last year?Nope, it was the South Siders. (White Sox)

LAR-15
February 11, 2006, 10:30 PM
Uh.....

Howard Coble will chair this hearing NOT Sensenbrenner

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