Knife amnesty is launched


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wingnutx
February 9, 2006, 04:39 PM
A NATIONWIDE knife amnesty to end the carnage on our streets was launched yesterday.

The five-week initiative, running throughout the UK, is aimed at repeating the success of Operation Blade, which took thousands of weapons off the streets of Strathclyde in 1993.

Justice Minister Cathy Jamieson yesterday vowed it would be just one of many measures to battle knife crime in Scotland.

Victims of the scourge have included policeman Lewis Fulton, knifed through the heart in Glasgow in 1994 as he tried to arrest a teenage schizophrenic.

Knives are becoming an increasing menace in the hands of young girls, too.

Kirsty Nisbet, from Edinburgh, was just 14 when she needed 89 stitches after a former friend slashed her with a craft knife in 2002, leaving her scarred for life.

Jamieson added: "We have seen the impact of Operation Blade and I want to see that replicated throughout Scotland."

She appealed to those who carry knives: "Use the amnesty as an opportunity to put this behind you and stop more young people being killed or maimed."

Launching the amnesty for England and Wales, Home Secretary Charles Clarke said: "Every weapon handed in will be a weapon that cannot be used in crime.

"Anyone with a knife or other weapon that might be used to cause fear and distress on our streets should take this chance to get rid of it."

During the amnesty, which will run from May 24 to June 30, there will be disposal points for weapons at police stations and other locations around Scotland.

Knives will be forensically checked to see if they have been used in any crime but it is expected that the vast majority will just be destroyed.

Lord Advocate Colin Boyd will retain his right to prosecute if there is evidence a knife has been used in an offence.

Boyd said yesterday the Crown Office were also carrying out a major review of their policy on knife crime.

He added: "They will give careful consideration to prosecuting persistent and violent offenders, in a court empowered to send them to prison for the maximum period allowed by law."

The Executive's plans to double the maximum sentence for carrying a blade to four years have been criticised as not doing enough.

Critics point out most offences are dealt with as summary crimes - which attract a much lower sentence.

Scottish Tories welcomed the amnesty.

Justice spokeswoman Margaret Mitchell said: "At a time when knife crime is reaching almost epidemic proportions, an amnesty to get these lethal weapons off the streets is clearly a step in the right direction."

SNP justice spokesman Kenny MacAskill said: "We welcome this amnesty as part of the efforts to tackle this problem.

"It must be made clear after the amnesty is over, there will be no excuses for carrying a knife or a sword in Scotland."


http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=16682442&method=full&siteid=66633&headline=blade-ii--name_page.html

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Rumble
February 9, 2006, 04:43 PM
:scrutiny: Oh. My. God. Is this for real?


Edit: It appears that it is. I expect baseball bat, frying pan, and nearby brick amnesties to follow.

wingnutx
February 9, 2006, 04:45 PM
Pointy-stick Amnesty to be announced.

LawDog
February 9, 2006, 04:45 PM
I have this terrible urge to go sit outside a "knife amnesty centre" with a barrow-load of flint and an antler, just to see how many knapped flint knives I could turn in before they tossed me out of town.

Or buy some lengths of angle iron from a scrapyard, along with some duct tape for grips, and turn in shank after shank after shank.

LawDog

swampsniper
February 9, 2006, 04:46 PM
Wallace is spinning in his grave!

Master Blaster
February 9, 2006, 04:49 PM
Kirsty Nisbet, from Edinburgh, was just 14 when she needed 89 stitches after a former friend slashed her with a craft knife in 2002, leaving her scarred for life.


So X-Acto Knives are an offensive weapon in the UK, Do you need a permit to build model planes or do they come precut so the sheeple cant hurt themselves.

I shudder to think what people are doing to apples:barf:

Camp David
February 9, 2006, 04:52 PM
"It must be made clear after the amnesty is over, there will be no excuses for carrying a knife or a sword in Scotland."

Not even "Braveheart II"? :uhoh:

Rumble
February 9, 2006, 04:53 PM
So X-Acto Knives are an offensive weapon in the UK, Do you need a permit to build model planes or do they come precut so the sheeple cant hurt themselves.

I shudder to think what people are doing to apples:barf:

Model airplanes could be thrown in such a fashion as to cause injury, or at least fear and distress on the streets. Model airplanes were outlawed under the Benchley-Thump Resolution of 1997.

I am wondering how this will impact things like shipping and packaging businesses. Will they need to log the issue and return of necessary business equipment like box cutters and other utility knives? What about restaurants? Or kitchen supply stores? Will they take knives off the shelf, like the way they've taken actual working Sudafed off the shelves here in the U.S.?

I have a sneaking suspicion that this whole knife thing wasn't actually thought all the way through.

Janitor
February 9, 2006, 04:53 PM
Twits.

"It must be made clear after the amnesty is over, there will be no excuses for carrying a knife or a sword in Scotland."
Well, I'm afraid that the people they're worried about carrying aren't the sort to give a rip about excuses. This is just so very sad.

1KPerDay
February 9, 2006, 04:55 PM
Pointy-stick Amnesty to be announced.
ROFL!

Thefabulousfink
February 9, 2006, 04:56 PM
[QUOTE=wingnutx]
"It must be made clear after the amnesty is over, there will be no excuses for carrying a knife or a sword in Scotland."
QUOTE]

William Wallace is spining in his grave!:cuss:

I swear, next the UK will try and ban pointy sticks. Here's an idea mister policeman, Do your :cuss: ing job! Same to prosecuters and judges. I have heard that criminal punishment is almost noexistent over there and prison senteces for violent crimes are very short compared to in the US. They think they can change peoples behaiver by removing the tools, but not punishing the actions:banghead:

wingnutx
February 9, 2006, 04:58 PM
Francis Begby was unavailable for comment.

Thefabulousfink
February 9, 2006, 04:58 PM
Damnation, I was interrupted in the middle of typing my post, and everything I was going to say got said.

Oh well, great minds think alike:neener:

El Tejon
February 9, 2006, 05:04 PM
Ahhh, disarming Scots. Fond memories for my people.:D Once again conquered people demonstrate why they were conquered.

Thefab, yes, but inert objects are the cause of all social ills.:D Once the inert objects are removed, Scotland will be a violence-free petting zoo. Well, until they have to ban rocks, sticks and, of course, human hands.:evil:

TheEgg
February 9, 2006, 05:15 PM
"Anyone with a knife or other weapon that might be used to cause fear and distress on our streets should take this chance to get rid of it."

I wish I could think that they are not serious -- but I think they are.

Other weapon:

1. Rock
2. Stick
3. Rope (might strangle someone).
4. Pen or pencil (might stab someone).
5. Shoes (might club someone).
6. Umbrella (might poke someone's eye out).
7. A copy of anything written by Maya Angelou (might cause suicidal actions).
8. Bean burritos (weapon of mass destruction).

Anythink else we need to ban?

swampsniper
February 9, 2006, 05:16 PM
Ahhh, disarming Scots. Fond memories for my people.:D Once again conquered people demonstrate why they were conquered.

Thefab, yes, but inert objects are the cause of all social ills.:D Once the inert objects are removed, Scotland will be a violence-free petting zoo. Well, until they have to ban rocks, sticks and, of course, human hands.:evil:
"as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule. It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom — for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself"
Declaration of Arbroath, 1320.

KriegHund
February 9, 2006, 05:19 PM
ROFLLMFAO

I cannot believe this is serious!?!?!?!?!
Too funny. And sad.

So, after all the knives are gone, i suppose theyll have a club ban.

And then sharp sticks, i suppose?

End the carnage, eh...

Heck, you can make plexiglass shanks. I guess they will burn all the trees down too.

The Drew
February 9, 2006, 05:25 PM
I wish I could think that they are not serious -- but I think they are.

Other weapon:

1. Rock
2. Stick
3. Rope (might strangle someone).
4. Pen or pencil (might stab someone).
5. Shoes (might club someone).
6. Umbrella (might poke someone's eye out).
7. A copy of anything written by Maya Angelou (might cause suicidal actions).
7. Bean burrito (weapon of mass destruction).

Anythink else we need to ban?

Yeah... bathtubs... Look at the damage Andrea Yates did with one....

det.pat
February 9, 2006, 05:28 PM
who cares what these people do? they chose to give up their freedom years ago and are just gutless slaves to be herded around to where the crown needs to use them. just ask the tyneside labor protestors, or the survivors after the tanks and bayonets were finished with the ones who stepped out of line. hell, i'm surprised you can't buy englishmen at walmart.
pat

TallPine
February 9, 2006, 05:30 PM
Thig gan gabhail! :neener:

Rexrider
February 9, 2006, 05:41 PM
Why don't they just lock everyone up in a padded room and be done with it?

If just one person can be saved..........

It's for the children........

AJ Dual
February 9, 2006, 05:56 PM
Preacherman and others beat me to it.

I was thinking about taking up a collection to buy several container ships worth of cheap Chineese knives for pennies each, and dumping them on the UK Amnesty.

LOL.

I've heard they're making serious noises about banning kitchen knives with pointy tips too.

Manedwolf
February 9, 2006, 06:05 PM
"It must be made clear after the amnesty is over, there will be no excuses for carrying a knife or a sword in Scotland."

Check with the international seismographers. I think Scotland just moved a bit from thousands upon thousands of thousands of honorable warrior Scots spinning in their graves. :barf:

50 Freak
February 9, 2006, 06:05 PM
"Next week, a spoon amnesty will be announced.

TrekkieFromHell
February 9, 2006, 06:11 PM
So all the doctors get to hand in their scalpels. :neener:

Logan5
February 9, 2006, 06:14 PM
"Knives will be forensically checked to see if they have been used in any crime but it is expected that the vast majority will just be destroyed.

Lord Advocate Colin Boyd will retain his right to prosecute if there is evidence a knife has been used in an offence."

So there's actually an incentive for the people who are into slashing and stabbing others not to participate? That's mind numbingly stupid. Basically as far as criminals are concerned, they're inviting them to come down and turn themselves in so that they can be sent to jail. It'd be nice if that had ever worked.

mbs357
February 9, 2006, 06:15 PM
They should just make it against the law to cause fear and distress.

KriegHund
February 9, 2006, 06:19 PM
Lord Advocate Colin Boyd will retain his right to prosecute if there is evidence a knife has been used in an offence."

Guess your SOL if you turn in your knife, and low and behold there is 'Forensic evidence" that is actually just your friends blood from when he was opening a package at your house and cut himself.

And then a week later your friend died by knife somewhere across the city.

You are now a murderer.

middy
February 9, 2006, 06:33 PM
Next on the agenda: Scotland will change its name to Nerfland.

cosine
February 9, 2006, 06:36 PM
Model airplanes could be thrown in such a fashion as to cause injury, or at least fear and distress on the streets. Model airplanes were outlawed under the Benchley-Thump Resolution of 1997.

Is this sarcasm, or are you serious? :eek:


I have a sneaking suspicion that this whole knife thing wasn't actually thought all the way through.

Agreed.

swampsniper
February 9, 2006, 06:37 PM
The U.K. seems to have more than a fair share of human trash. I beleve we are witnessing the death of a culture.
I hope we are wise enough not to follow.

MechAg94
February 9, 2006, 06:51 PM
Rock/Paper/Scissors will never be the same. Rock/Paper just ain't no fun.

wingnutx
February 9, 2006, 06:55 PM
who cares what these people do?

I care, because this is a pefect example that "it's never enough". They don't just want your Steyr, they just take the low-hanging fruit until they are ready to take your family heirlooms and then even your knives.

MechAg94
February 9, 2006, 06:56 PM
So if I mounted a sharp slip of paper on a piece of wood, would that be illegal as well?

Art Eatman
February 9, 2006, 07:15 PM
"I see you're from Scotland."

"Why, yes. How could you tell?"

"By your dirty fingernails."

Art

Standing Wolf
February 9, 2006, 09:02 PM
Mrs. Clinton take copious notes.

dance varmint
February 9, 2006, 09:03 PM
"They'll make bigger boards and bigger nails, and soon, they will make a board with a nail so big, it will destroy them all!" -Kang

cliffstanc
February 9, 2006, 09:10 PM
I'm a bit confused. I don't understand why there needs to be an amnesty on knives you carry. I mean, unless I've missed something the knives people are going to turn in aren't illegal to possess, right? It's still legal to own sharp kitchen knives, isn't it?

If that's the case, why would you need to turn one in if you are worried about prosecution? All you need to do is leave the knife at home. Fine - it's against the law to carry that butcher's knife when you go out drinking with your buddies...so just leave it in the kitchen drawer! Why would you want to turn it in for destruction? Unless, like I said, somehow it's illegal to simply own the knife.

Maybe you'd want to turn it in if you've already committed a crime with the weapon, but the quotes from the Lord Advocate show that wouldn't be in your best interest either.

Help me out - what am I missing? Why would anyone want to participate in this?

- Cliff

Meplat
February 9, 2006, 09:16 PM
I wish I could think that they are not serious -- but I think they are.

Other weapon:

1. Rock
2. Stick
3. Rope (might strangle someone).
4. Pen or pencil (might stab someone).
5. Shoes (might club someone).
6. Umbrella (might poke someone's eye out).
7. A copy of anything written by Maya Angelou (might cause suicidal actions).
7. Bean burrito (weapon of mass destruction).

Anythink else we need to ban?

Glass bottles!!! Want to see the people of Scotland rise up again? Outlaw those dangerous glass bottles containing that most delicate elixir - Scotch.
After all, when full, they can be used once as a club, and thereafter to inflict nasty gaping cuts. OUTLAW ALL GLASS BOTTLES SCOTLAND! YOUR LIVES AND SAFETY DEPEND ON IT!!!!!!!!

Oh, and while you're at it, please, please, please outlaw them damned nasty haggis.

TrybalRage
February 9, 2006, 09:20 PM
I feel sick.

bigun15
February 9, 2006, 09:20 PM
Also ban water, so nobody drowns anyone else. Actually, just ban all things having anything to do with liquid. For the people.

MICHAEL T
February 9, 2006, 09:33 PM
The English are getting worst than the French. When will they go after forks.

Bigreno
February 9, 2006, 09:34 PM
Don't knock this too soon. I think this is a fantastic idea. In order to show my support for this there will be a big cardboard box on my front lawn from May 24 to June 30 to "aid" in this cause. Anyone who wishes to can place all the knives/guns they want in it and I'll be sure they are handled properly.

And no there will be no Forensic tests involved.:D

Mongo the Mutterer
February 9, 2006, 09:35 PM
If I were a Scot, I'd be stockpiling harsh words... even as we speak...

BTW Scotland had an extremely high homocide rate I read recently. Caused by knives... They don't have guns, so they don't have to be polite...

beerslurpy
February 9, 2006, 10:16 PM
nearby brick amnesties

They'll never take me irish confetti!

cosine
February 9, 2006, 11:27 PM
They'll never take me irish confetti!

Now that is to darn funny! :D

Cliffstanc, as far as I can tell, it only bans carrying knives.

swampsniper
February 9, 2006, 11:42 PM
Now that is to darn funny! :D

Cliffstanc, as far as I can tell, it only bans carrying knives.

Doctors' kitchen knives ban call
A&E doctors are calling for a ban on long pointed kitchen knives to reduce deaths from stabbing.
A team from West Middlesex University Hospital said violent crime is on the increase - and kitchen knives are used in as many as half of all stabbings.

They argued many assaults are committed impulsively, prompted by alcohol and drugs, and a kitchen knife often makes an all too available weapon.

The research is published in the British Medical Journal.

The researchers said there was no reason for long pointed knives to be publicly available at all.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4581871.stm

Johnny_Yuma
February 9, 2006, 11:55 PM
that contain "SmartKnife" technology and can only be used by their registered owners.:rolleyes:

Chrontius
February 10, 2006, 03:28 AM
I wish I could think that they are not serious -- but I think they are.

Other weapon:

1. Rock
2. Stick
3. Rope (might strangle someone).
4. Pen or pencil (might stab someone).
5. Shoes (might club someone).
6. Umbrella (might poke someone's eye out).
7. A copy of anything written by Maya Angelou (might cause suicidal actions).
7. Bean burrito (weapon of mass destruction).

Anythink else we need to ban?

I think there was an "m" in the second number 7 that wasn't needed ^_^

Cosmoline
February 10, 2006, 03:41 AM
Actually, if the idiots over there keep trying to stick butcher knives down the front of their pants, the whole problem is going to solve itself

http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/dailyrecord2/sep2005/0/7/0006C1CA-B1B4-131E-BB8F0C01AC1BF814.jpg

Selfdfenz
February 10, 2006, 10:12 AM
How ironic.

During the early years of WWII the Brits found they had so effectively disarmed themselves it required shiploads of US manufactured weapons followed by shiploads of US manufactured young men to bail them out.

The war is history, their finest hour is past.

They are quickly becoming a country even France can whip.

S-

I guess this will get me banned from THR for not being nice.

Janitor
February 10, 2006, 11:20 AM
They should just make it against the law to cause fear and distress.
I'm pretty sure it already is.

Igloodude
February 10, 2006, 02:04 PM
I think we ought to be thanking our English friends across the pond - they are displaying for all our fence-sitters and tunnel-visioned shooting sportsmen here in the US just how far that slippery slope descends when it gets momentum even amongst a theoretically like-minded populace.

-IglooDude, who has a PhD in spotting silver linings...

Mk VII
February 10, 2006, 02:40 PM
Glass bottles!!! Want to see the people of Scotland rise up again? Outlaw those dangerous glass bottles containing that most delicate elixir - Scotch.
After all, when full, they can be used once as a club, and thereafter to inflict nasty gaping cuts. OUTLAW ALL GLASS BOTTLES SCOTLAND! YOUR LIVES AND SAFETY DEPEND ON IT!!!!!!!!



They've already specified tempered glasses must be used in the pubs so you can't 'glass' anyone with it, and most sodas are sold in plastic bottles these days anyway.

swampsniper
February 10, 2006, 04:57 PM
Whisky comes in plastic bottles, wine in plastic lined boxes.
Next thing you know, they'll tell us we can't be trusted to vote!
I grew up hearing about the courage of my highland ancestors, where is that courage now?

TallPine
February 10, 2006, 05:27 PM
I grew up hearing about the courage of my highland ancestors, where is that courage now?
Mostly among those who emigrated to the US ;)

I read somewhere that England accomplished with the welfare state what they could not accomplish with the sword - namely, the taming of Gaidhealtachd

Mar sin leat :)

Mk VII
February 10, 2006, 06:56 PM
Americans appear to be under the impression that the highlands is all there is to Scotland. By far the greatest portion of the population live in the lowlands, in the central strip between Glasgow and Edinburgh. The Lowland Scot is a very different creature from his Highland cousin, whom he regards as little better than a painted savage.

swampsniper
February 10, 2006, 07:03 PM
Americans appear to be under the impression that the highlands is all there is to Scotland. By far the greatest portion of the population live in the lowlands, in the central strip between Glasgow and Edinburgh. The Lowland Scot is a very different creature from his Highland cousin, whom he regards as little better than a painted savage.
I have no problems with paint! :evil:

MD_Willington
February 10, 2006, 07:07 PM
Sounds like a Monty Python skit...

LOL

We better round up some corks to send them, you know so they can put them on forks...

:rolleyes:

G36-UK
February 10, 2006, 07:20 PM
From what I know, it's mainly due to the knife violence around here.

There isn't going to be a ban*, but they want kids who carry knives to hand them in, to try and reduce the number of stabbings. They had a replica/real gun amnesty not so long ago.

This doesn't mean it's a good idea, just that the intention is good. Just like the gun bans over here. Good intentions**, stupid and irrational actions.

*Yet.

** And we all know what that paves, don't we?

F4GIB
February 10, 2006, 07:52 PM
Knives will be forensically checked to see if they have been used in any crime but it is expected that the vast majority will just be destroyed.

Lord Advocate Colin Boyd will retain his right to prosecute if there is evidence a knife has been used in an offence.

This is no "amnesty," it a well-disguised sting.

swampsniper
February 10, 2006, 08:15 PM
From what I know, it's mainly due to the knife violence around here.

There isn't going to be a ban*, but they want kids who carry knives to hand them in, to try and reduce the number of stabbings. They had a replica/real gun amnesty not so long ago.

This doesn't mean it's a good idea, just that the intention is good. Just like the gun bans over here. Good intentions**, stupid and irrational actions.

*Yet.

** And we all know what that paves, don't we?
You, Cousin, are screwed, and tatooed, and headed for the dump heap, of history! It breaks my heart, but!
Things are done against you, because the doers of things are quite sure, that you will not rebel! They Dayam sure have y'all figured out, don't they, now?
Have you ever stood before a politician, and told him, "pass this freakin law, and, you will have to kill me, to enforce it"? I have, and I will, again, until the message registers!
Your freedom bears a price tag, my freedom has no price!
Just as soon as your government started this crap, y'all should have just started digging holes, and stashing well greased rifles.
Is there not one last voice in the whole U.K. who remembers how to say, "Hell no"?
You Brits have not met my expectations, the Australians and Canadians have not, either, can you tell me, WHY?

Matthew748
February 10, 2006, 08:33 PM
Knife amnesty, I am still trying to figure out if it is funny or tragic. Tragically funny I guess.

swampsniper
February 10, 2006, 08:49 PM
Knife amnesty, I am still trying to figure out if it is funny or tragic. Tragically funny I guess.
Just pitiful!
One more great culture, surrendered to barbarians, by popular demand!

DRZinn
February 11, 2006, 01:44 AM
If that's the case, why would you need to turn one in if you are worried about prosecution? All you need to do is leave the knife at home.Well, some of them are made only for stabbing.

Crimson
February 11, 2006, 08:01 AM
I hate my country


I guess this will get me banned from THR for not being nice.

It's true though, at least the French army have a rifle which works

TallPine
February 11, 2006, 11:17 AM
Well, some of them are made only for stabbing.
Yeah ... spray stabbing from the hip, no doubt ;)

MCgunner
February 11, 2006, 04:42 PM
http://www.1bad69.com/gallery/GunStuff/guncontrol/s_how.jpg

progunner1957
February 11, 2006, 04:48 PM
Pointy-stick Amnesty to be announced.Does that include sharpened pencils?:barf: I can see it now - school kids will only be allowed the little "shorty" golf pencils...

Seriously, "The Government" in the UK is getting to be pathalogically obsessed with stripping the sheeple of every possible implement usable for self-defense.

William Wallace is spinning in his grave!
+1... Rolling in his own vomit is more like it...

I would LOOOOOOOOVE to see the descendants of William Wallace rise up as one and deal "The Crown" a bashed in, bloody mouth over this load of steer feces!

To try to take a Scotsman's sword is to try to take his manhood -"The Government" might as well bend him over and sodomize him in front of his family and friends...

Rise up and fight, Scottish bretheren!!:fire: MOLON LABE!!:fire:

Meplat
February 11, 2006, 08:58 PM
They've already specified tempered glasses must be used in the pubs so you can't 'glass' anyone with it, and most sodas are sold in plastic bottles these days anyway.

Sheeee***^!!!!

What WILL they think of next? Tempered glass? Wonder if that's where they got "club" soda from?

Laddies, methinks it's about time William Wallace's ghost awoke, came down once again from the highlands, and straightened some stuff out.

Meplat
February 11, 2006, 09:07 PM
Americans appear to be under the impression that the highlands is all there is to Scotland. By far the greatest portion of the population live in the lowlands, in the central strip between Glasgow and Edinburgh. The Lowland Scot is a very different creature from his Highland cousin, whom he regards as little better than a painted savage.

I have aspired my whole life to be regarded as little better than a painted savage.

swampsniper
February 11, 2006, 10:02 PM
O Flower of Scotland,
When will we see
Your like again,
That fought and died for,
Your wee bit Hill and Glen,
And stood against him,
Proud Edward's Army,
And sent him homeward,
Tae think again.
The Hills are bare now,
And Autumn leaves
lie thick and still,
O'er land that is lost now,
Which those so dearly held,
That stood against him,
Proud Edward's Army,
And sent him homeward,
Tae think again.

Those days are past now,
And in the past
they must remain,
But we can still rise now,
And be the nation again,
That stood against him,
Proud Edward's Army,
And sent him homeward,
Tae think again.

0 Flower of Scotland,
When will we see
your like again,
That fought and died for,
Your wee bit Hill and Glen,
And stood against him,
Proud Edward's Army,
And sent him homeward,
Tae think again.

LawDog
February 11, 2006, 10:30 PM
An old gentleman in Athole, a friend of mine, Mr. Robertson of Auchleeks, carried this spirit so far, that disobeying all restrictions against carrying arms, he never laid them aside, and wore his dirk even when sitting in his dining room, until his death in his 87th year.
--Major-General David Stewart of Garth

It is astonishing to think that less than 250 years ago there still existed in the Highlands of Scotland a considerable race of hillmen, whose language, customs, arts and even religion had altered little since before the Roman invasion of Britain...

...when they did venture from their mountain regions, they invariably carried arms, speaking little or no English, they were thought to be ignorant, savage and dangerous.
--Michael Brander, The Scottish Highlanders and their Regiments (highlighting is mine).

In addition to the Government issue of musket, bayonet, broadsword, cartouche box and belts, they [the Highlanders] carried a tuagh or Lochaber axe, a dirk and a pair of 'dags' or steel pistols, and, in some cases, a targaid or shield. These, together with the original, utility, small leather sporran, were furnished privately. Proficiency in handling this formidable armament was proverbial.
--Ibid (highlighting mine)

The southerner's suspicion of the Highlanders was displayed in the 'Disarming Acts' which followed the Rising, by which it became an offence for anyone to carry arms openly in the Highlands.
This must have proved particularly galling to the Highlander -- for he was accustomed to carrying arms always, and using them often.
--Ibid

*sigh*

The more things change, the more they stay the same. This is just the latest Disarming Act in a long line of them.

LawDog

DRZinn
February 12, 2006, 02:21 AM
school kids will only be allowed the little "shorty" golf pencils...
You mean the small, easily concealable ones? I think they'll be forced to use the big fat kindergarten pencils. No, those are too powerful. Whatever can they do?

Optical Serenity
February 12, 2006, 02:25 AM
Or buy some lengths of angle iron from a scrapyard, along with some duct tape for grips, and turn in shank after shank after shank.

I love it! +1 LawDog!

solareclipse
February 12, 2006, 03:57 AM
Model airplanes could be thrown in such a fashion as to cause injury, or at least fear and distress on the streets. Model airplanes were outlawed under the Benchley-Thump Resolution of 1997.



just when i've read the most insane article of the year, you come in and say this.... please tell me it's a joke... please :what: :what: :what: :what:

swampsniper
February 12, 2006, 04:24 AM
:what: DEADLY WEAPONS DISCOVERED
DEADLY weapons and thousands of pounds worth of suspected drugs were seized from two Thurnscoe homes during police raids on Monday morning.
Officers used battering rams to smash into suspects homes during simultaneous raids on two suspected drug dens.
At the first raid a man and a woman were led away in handcuffs for questioning after officers found a suspected large quantity of class A and class C drugs from the house.
They recovered what are believed to be nine blocks of cannabis resin each with a street value of £1,000 and several thousand ecstasy tablets.
Cops also seized equipment believed to be used for the growing of cannabis plants.
Officers also emerged from the house with a terrifying knife that had a multi-bladed knuckle duster for a handle. A rifle was also recovered from the property.
At the same time, only streets away, a second raid was taking place.
There officers arrested five women and three men on suspicion of possessing class A drugs with the intent to supply.
http://www.dearnetoday.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=768&ArticleID=1344963

Rumble
February 12, 2006, 02:27 PM
just when i've read the most insane article of the year, you come in and say this.... please tell me it's a joke... please :what: :what: :what: :what:


It is a joke (thankfully). Not that I would be surprised, at this rate, if there was a model airplane ban (because perhaps tiny model terrorists could seize one and fly it into someone's model railroad set, causing untold destruction on an HO scale).

mordechaianiliewicz
February 12, 2006, 03:00 PM
who cares what these people do? they chose to give up their freedom years ago and are just gutless slaves to be herded around to where the crown needs to use them. just ask the tyneside labor protestors, or the survivors after the tanks and bayonets were finished with the ones who stepped out of line. hell, i'm surprised you can't buy englishmen at walmart.
pat

Actually we should care. These people used to be free. I talk to English sometimes, either on the net, or in my travels. They're not all rape/murder-wating-to-happen jackasses. (although many are). Some are still brave, gallant, and decent. But they are outnumbered.

The last weapons ban was named for being "anti-social" (should have been anti-socialist). Some still do wish to be free (including a Scotsman I know who is moving to America once he gets out of school, if he moves close we'll go shooting).

Unfortunately, the socialists have claimed so much power in England, they almost have to imigrate to America to be free (b/c this issue goes way past guns, and is proof that after they take the guns, they will take everything else along with it.)

Thing is though, you have to give them your dignity and self-determination before they can take anything.

Drizzt
February 13, 2006, 01:41 PM
Katie Grant: Let’s cut to the chase: blades must be banned

As you walked down the street this morning to buy this paper, did you stop to wonder whether any of those you passed were carrying a knife? If you live in the west of Scotland, chances are that if you passed 20 young men aged between 15 and 25, almost all would have been carrying a “blade”, as the cool call them, for “protection”. Glasgow is more like The Sopranos than The Simpsons.

Knowing this, Cathy Jamieson, the justice minister, has announced that there is to be a nationwide knife amnesty running for a month, beginning in May. The aim is to reduce knife crime in Scotland, which is double that of London, and rising.

This is not the first time such an amnesty has been declared, During Operation Blade in 1993 more than 4,500 weapons were surrendered in only four weeks. The police hailed it a success when in the subsequent 12 months murder rates fell by 26% and attempted murder by 19%.

The success, however, was shortlived. In 1996, 227 people were convicted for crimes involving offensive weapons. In 2000 it was 1,137. In 2004-2005 there were 9,545 reported instances of “handling a weapon”, and this after the launch of dozens of well-intentioned initiatives, both national and local, to try to reduce this Scottish scourge.

Nobody is complacent. Last November, Jack McConnell, the first minister, announced a five-point plan for reducing knife crime, which included banning the sale of samurai swords, longer jail terms, more powers of search and arrest, a tighter licensing scheme and increasing the age at which you can buy a knife from 16 to 18.

This latest amnesty, during which knife-carriers can, without fear of prosecution, hand over their weapons in designated safe spots for the police to destroy, does not arrive in a vacuum: one of its purposes is to kick-start a year-long Safer Scotland anti-violence campaign.

Nobody could possibly wish such a campaign ill, particularly when we learnt recently that there are 170 knife-wielding gangs in Glasgow looking for a share of the action on a Saturday night. That is a lot of blades. Add booze and drugs to the knives and it is no wonder that Glasgow, and therefore Scotland, gets such a bad name. Compared with what is going on now, the infamous ice-cream wars look both tame and contained.

I am not, therefore, criticising the latest amnesty in itself. I simply worry that it is of far less use than police and politicians like to assert. One outstanding and immediate problem, which hasn’t been addressed, is how ridiculously easy it is to buy a “battle-ready” sword and have it delivered to your Scottish doorstep. So easy is it that swords are, apparently, a weapon of choice for Glasgow gangs.

I logged onto a website called Glasgow Weapons, a Guide to Surviving Your Trip to Glasgow, Scotland, and found other useful pieces of information, including the correct gangland terminology. A “chib” is for cutting and slicing; a “cosh” or “tool” is for bashing; a “stakey” is a long, stabbing blade and a “spike” is a screwdriver or other thin implement. “It is essential to get the nomenclature correct as a mugger with a stakey may well be slightly offended if he was accused of chibbing you,” I was informed with ironic cheeriness.

Then I clicked the mouse to buy a 27in high-tension carbon steel blade described as “very sharp” from “China’s pre-eminent custom knifemaker, Paul Chen”. I had to tick a box saying I was over 16 and that I should understand that age verification checks might be carried out. I hardly think this rather pathetic stricture would put off any gang member.

Also, nobody during an amnesty gives up a weapon they are intending to use. If a profile were to be drawn up of those taking advantage of this official “blind eye”, I suspect it would mainly be men who have grown out of their gang habit or younger men handing over something to please wives, mothers or girlfriends. In the latter case, I doubt that the weapon they hand over is the only one they have. Indeed, it can’t be since we know that the number of illegal blades in circulation in some parts of Scotland is still on the rise. So while, directly after an amnesty, murder and attempted murder rates may fall, when knife-carrying men don’t hand in their attitude at the same time as their weapons, the benefits are very short-term.

Given what we know about the profile of blade-carriers, another thing that surprises me is that our politicians don’t take the bull by the horns and legislate to ban the sale of knives to anybody under 25, rather than 18. Holyrood has banned smoking, hunting and even fur farming, although there are no fur farms in Scotland. Why not get behind a proper ban that nobody in their right mind would oppose? Eighteen-year-olds have no “right” to carry a knife in a society thatis no longer formed from hunter- gatherers living in caves.

A ban on buying a knife until you were 25 would not solve the problem of illegal sales to younger people, but it would surely be a useful adjunct to an amnesty and the effect rather more long- lasting.

In those parts of Scotland in which badger- or bear-baiting has been replaced by people-baiting and in which drink, substance abuse and the kind of illiteracy that makes thumping somebody the preferred method of communication, we need to make it far more difficult for young men to turn themselves into extras for Kill Bill.

Yet it is at least some cause for optimism that everybody seems to agree that the level of knife crime in Scotland is a scandal. Even Tommy Sheridan, in a rare outbreak of good sense, wants mandatory sentences for young people who carry blades.

However, while I welcome the amnesty, it needs to be accompanied by more radical measures. Come on, politicians, stop pussy-footing about and really get a grip.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2090-2033912,00.html

DRZinn
February 13, 2006, 07:43 PM
I hardly think this rather pathetic stricture would put off any gang member.But another law sure would!

Also, nobody during an amnesty gives up a weapon they are intending to use.But they'll give 'em up for a ban!

Berek
February 13, 2006, 07:56 PM
So X-Acto Knives are an offensive weapon in the UK, Do you need a permit to build model planes or do they come precut so the sheeple cant hurt themselves.

I shudder to think what people are doing to apples:barf:
Got one word for ya: NERF

I never carry a "weapon". I carry tools. Will linemen need special "on-the-job training" and federal certification to use cutting tools on the job? EVERY lineman I know of carries a knife.

Unreal.

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