Illinois Needs Your Help !!!!!


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scout26
February 10, 2006, 11:40 AM
The are two very bad bills in the Illinois House: HB2414 (AWB) and HB 4693 (Firearm Retailer Licencing).

HB 2414 is an AWB that so far has 7 admendments pending.

HB 4693 would effectively end retail firearm sales in Illinois.


How can you help, you ask ???

Call some of the legislators below and tell them that you will NOT go the Grand American nor any other event at World Shooting & Recreation Complex in Sparta.

The State Rep for Sparta is Dan Reitz (D): repreitz@egyptian.net, He'd love to hear about all the tourism money that WILL NOT be spent in his district.

Here's the Mayor of Sparta's E-mail, send him one also: spartamayor@spartaillinois.us


These are the sponsor's of these bills, Call or e-mail them and tell them that you won't be coming to visit Illinois and the WS&RC in Sparta, because you don't feel welcomed by Illinois Anti-Gun/Anti-Gun Owner attitude.

Edward J. Acevedo - Lovana Jones - Karen A. Yarbrough - Harry Osterman - Barbara Flynn Currie, Linda Chapa LaVia, Deborah L. Graham, Sara Feigenholtz, Mary E. Flowers, Richard T. Bradley, Joseph M. Lyons, Michelle Chavez, Charles E. Jefferson, Elizabeth Coulson, Kathleen A. Ryg, Cynthia Soto, William Delgado, Susana A Mendoza, Maria Antonia Berrios, Kenneth Dunkin, Milton Patterson, Calvin L. Giles, Eddie Washington, Constance A. Howard, William Davis, Arthur L. Turner, John D'Amico, Elaine Nekritz, Marlow H. Colvin, Jack McGuire, George Scully Jr., Julie Hamos, Robin Kelly, James D. Brosnahan, Daniel J. Burke, Annazette Collins, Robert S. Molaro, Karen May, Larry McKeon and Monique D. Davis


District Representative Springfield Office District Office
2 Edward J. Acevedo 217-782-2855 773-843-1200
6 Patricia Bailey 217-782-5971 773-471-9270
54 Suzanne Bassi 217-782-8026 847-776-1880
52 Mark H. Beaubien 217-782-1517 847-487-5252
111 Daniel V. Beiser 217-782-5996 618-259-4934
47 Patricia R. Bellock 217-782-1448 630-852-8633
39 Maria Antonia Berrios217-558-1032 773-235-3939
41 Bob Biggins 217-782-6578 630-941-1278
104 William B. Black 217-782-4811 217-431-1986
71 Mike Boland 217-782-3992 309-736-3360
115 Mike Bost 217-782-0387 618-457-5787
117 John E. Bradley 217-782-1051 618-997-9697
40 Richard T. Bradley 217-782-8117 773-794-9444
88 Dan Brady 217-782-1118 309-662-1100
100 Rich Brauer 217-782-0053 217-782-0053
36 James D. Brosnahan217-782-0515 708-499-2810
23 Daniel J. Burke 217-782-1117 773-471-2299
83 Linda Chapa LaVia 217-558-1002 630-264-6855
24 Michelle Chavez 217-782-8173 708-863-1766
62 Robert W. Churchill 217-782-7320 847-231-6262
10 Annazette Collins 217-782-8077 773-533-0010
33 Marlow H. Colvin 217-782-8272 773-783-8492
17 Elizabeth Coulson 217-782-4194 847-724-3233
84 Tom Cross 217-782-1331 815-254-0000
105 Shane Cultra 217-558-1039 815-268-4090
25 Barbara Flynn Currie217-782-8121 773-667-3010
15 John D'Amico 217-782-8198 773-736-0218
46 Lee A. Daniels 217-782-4014 630-530-2700
27 Monique D Davis 217-782-0010 773-445-9700
30 William Davis 217-782-8197 708-799-7300
3 William Delgado 217-782-0480 773-292-0202
79 Lisa M. Dugan 217-782-5981 815-939-1983
5 Kenneth Dunkin 217-782-4535 312-266-0340
96 Joe Dunn 217-782-6507 630-355-4113
109 Roger L. Eddy 217-558-1040 618-563-4128
12 Sara Feigenholtz 217-782-8062 773-296-4141
101 Robert F. Flider 217-782-8398 217-428-2708
31 Mary E. Flowers 217-782-4207 773-471-5200
63 Jack D. Franks 217-782-1717 815-334-0063
11 John A. Fritchey 217-782-2458 773-871-4000
56 Paul D. Froehlich 217-782-3725 847-985-9210
8 Calvin L. Giles 217-782-5962 773-287-3804
75 Careen M. Gordon 217-782-5997 815-634-3096
78 Deborah L. Graham 217-782-6400 708-445-9520
107 Kurt M. Granberg 217-782-0066 618-533-0296
18 Julie Hamos 217-782-8052 847-424-9898
98 Gary Hannig 217-782-8071 217-839-2859
85 Brent Hassert 217-782-4179 630-739-7063
112 Jay C. Hoffman 217-782-8018 618-345-2176
113 Thomas Holbrook 217-782-0104 618-394-2211
34 Constance A. Howard217-782-6476 773-783-8800
95 Randall M. Hultgren 217-782-1653 630-682-8100
103 Naomi D. Jakobsson217-558-1009 217-373-5000
67 Charles E. Jefferson217-782-3167 815-987-7433
45 Roger Jenisch 217-782-8158 630-653-4545
26 Lovana Jones 217-782-2023 773-373-9400
35 Kevin Joyce 217-782-8200 708-448-3518
38 Robin Kelly 217-558-1007 708-283-0400
81 Renee Kosel 217-782-0424 708-479-4200
66 Carolyn H. Krause 217-782-3739 847-255-3100
16 Lou Lang 217-782-1252 847-673-1131
73 David R. Leitch 217-782-8108 309-685-3900
50 Patricia Reid Lindner217-782-1486 630-466-9791
82 Eileen Lyons 217-782-0494 708-352-7700
19 Joseph M. Lyons 217-782-8400 773-286-1115
22 Michael J. Madigan 217-782-5350 773-581-8000
53 Sidney H. Mathias 217-782-1664 847-222-0061
76 Frank J. Mautino 217-782-0140 815-664-2717
58 Karen May 217-782-0902 847-831-5858
20 Michael P. McAuliffe217-782-8182 773-792-0749
37 Kevin A. McCarthy 217-782-3316 708-226-1999
86 Jack McGuire 217-782-8090 815-730-8600
13 Larry McKeon 217-782-3835 773-348-3434
1 Susana A. Mendoza217-782-7752 773-277-7711
48 James H. Meyer 217-782-8028 630-717-7141
29 David E. Miller 217-782-8087 708-201-8000
87 Bill Mitchell 217-782-8163 217-876-1968
90 Jerry L. Mitchell 217-782-0535 815-625-0820
74 Donald L. Moffitt 217-782-8032 309-343-8000
21 Robert S. Molaro 217-782-5280 773-838-1212
65 Rosemary Mulligan 217-782-8007 847-297-6533
43 Ruth Munson 217-782-8020 847-622-1048
94 Richard P. Myers 217-782-0416 309-836-2707
57 Elaine Nekritz 217-558-1004 847-257-0450
61 JoAnn D. Osmond 217-782-8151 847-838-6200
14 Harry Osterman 217-782-8088 773-784-2002
44 Terry R. Parke 217-782-0347 847-882-0270
32 Milton Patterson 217-782-1702 773-434-7500
118 Brandon W. Phelps 217-782-5131 618-253-4189
42 Sandra M. Pihos 217-782-8037 630-858-8855
99 Raymond Poe 217-782-0044 217-782-0044
70 Robert W. Pritchard217-782-0425 815-748-3494
55 Harry R. Ramey, Jr. 217-558-1037 630-876-0203
108 David Reis 217-782-2087 618-392-0108
116 Dan Reitz 217-782-1018 618-443-5757
28 Robert Rita 217-558-1000 708-396-2822
110 Chapin Rose 217-558-1006 217-348-7673
59 Kathleen A. Ryg 217-782-0499 847-680-5909
89 Jim Sacia 217-782-8186 815-232-0774
77 Angelo Saviano 217-782-3374 708-453-7547
49 Timothy L. Schmitz 217-782-5457 630-845-9590
92 Aaron Schock 217-782-3186 309-672-9292
80 George Scully Jr. 217-782-1719 708-709-0579
91 Michael K. Smith 217-782-8152 309-647-7479
106 Keith P. Sommer 217-782-0221 309-263-9242
4 Cynthia Soto 217-782-0150 773-252-0402
102 Ron Stephens 217-782-6401 618-651-0405
51 Ed Sullivan Jr. 217-782-3696 847-566-5115
93 Art Tenhouse 217-782-8096 217-223-0833
64 Michael Tryon 217-782-0432 815-459-6453
9 Arthur L. Turner 217-782-8116 773-277-4700
72 Patrick J. Verschoore217-782-5970 309-793-4716
69 Ronald A. Wait 217-782-0548 815-547-7771
60 Eddie Washington 217-558-1012 847-623-0060
97 Jim Watson 217-782-1840 217-243-6221
68 Dave Winters 217-782-0455 815-489-0083
7 Karen A. Yarbrough217-782-8120 708-615-1747
114 Wyvetter H. Younge217-782-5951 618-875-1691


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Bobarino
February 10, 2006, 01:15 PM
i hate to be a pessimist but Illinois is pretty much beyond help. the people have elected these idiots time and again and now Illinois residents are reaping the rewards of their decisions. there will come a point where the residents are fed up with having their freedoms taken away slowly but surely but apparently that time has not come yet. i'm truly sorry for the members of this board that live in NY, IL, CA, DC. the key is going to be get some rational people elected to office. otherwise it will be only an eternal battle to keep whats left of your rights. as long as Dick Daley and Blahblahblahvich are in office Illinois will continue down the road of Stalin.

Bobby

Soybomb
February 10, 2006, 01:45 PM
boy 2414 makes me mad:

(3) 50 caliber rifles have been associated with
29 significant criminal activity, both domestic and
30 international, and that there is a nexus between these
31 weapons and terrorist groups, outlaw motorcycle gangs,
32 international drug cartels, domestic drug dealers,




HB2414 - 2 - LRB094 09150 RLC 39382 b

1 religious cults, militia groups, potential assassins, and
2 violent criminals;
3 (4) 50 caliber rifles and ammunition are proliferating
4 on the civilian market in the United States;
5 (5) despite the attractiveness of 50 caliber rifles to
6 criminals and potential terrorists, these firearms are
7 treated as ordinary long guns under existing federal and
8 Illinois law, and can be legally purchased in this State by
9 any 18-year old who possesses a valid Firearm Owner's
10 Identification Card and whose criminal history records and
11 mental health records do not disqualify the person from
12 possessing those rifles but purchasers of handguns, in
13 contrast, must be at least 21 years old; and
14 (6) the uncontrolled proliferation and use of 50
15 caliber rifles poses an unacceptable threat to the health,
16 safety, and security of the public.
17 It is the intent of this Act to reduce the risk of personal
18 injury, death and property damage caused by these weapons of
19 war.

If this became law I would have hundreds or thousands of dollars in guns and magazines to get rid of in 90 days or be a felon. Way to go illinois.

BigRobT
February 10, 2006, 01:49 PM
I see the 50 cal myth is still perpetuating itself. Barrett ought to sue the news producer that did that article. It was manufactured to make the 50 cal look way more evil than it is. Too bad that today's politicians aren't intelligent enough to seperate the wheat from the chaff.:fire:

chipper206
February 10, 2006, 02:23 PM
Thanks for the heads up Scout. I am new to the sport of shooting and am absolutely amazed at how close to extinction this activity is here in Illinois. The more I learn, the more disgusted I become at the foolishness of these proposed laws and restrictions. I am no fan of politics but one does not need to look further to find examples of their "favorite" politicians ability to reason than their stance on the 2nd ammendment. So many of these anti-gun proposals are so illogical I am left to more deeply question the ability of these representative to "think through" other issues and the effect their decisions will have on our lives.

Jeff White
February 10, 2006, 04:35 PM
This is from the NRA/ISRA lobbyist in Springfield:
http://www.isra.org/cap_com/cap_com060204.shtml
Capitol Commentary

by Todd Vandermyde


February 4, 2006
This week at the Capitol saw the battle for your rights heat up once again.

HB-2414, the semi-auto gun ban continues to take center stage. Last week amendment #6 was withdrawn by the sponsor. After weeks of talk in the press about Mayor Daley wanting to bring the Olympics to Chicago, they finally realized that their bill, if signed into law, would prohibit Olympic pistol competitors from holding their events in Illinois. So the Chicago Olympics would have to hold at least some of the shooting events in Indiana or Wisconsin.

It appears that amendment # 7 will be an attempt to “fix” this little problem with the bill. While some may say it is insignificant, it points to the fact that: 1) we are winning and 2) they continue to have problems, as they have from day one.

You will note that we are not putting out a great deal of specifics to the bill. Over the past year, the City has been grasping at straws to try and pass something. They, for once, have been listening to the criticism against their bill and changing it to take away those arguments. The Olympic amendment is the latest example of that. We are not in the business of educating them about their bills. If anything, the latest problem underscores that we have been right all along. Why else would they be changing language to “protect” Olympic shooters? Or changing the language on .50 cals to assure deer hunters that their guns will not be banned? The reason is simple, we are right. And we have been right all along.

I would suggest to everyone, that while it may feel good to post all kinds of technical info and point out every little flaw in the bill on blogs or web pages, the message now is simple – NO to a gun ban. No to Chicago style gun control.

Illinois’ firearms manufacturers have told us that should any form of HB-2414 pass, they will be leaving the state, taking with them over $300 million in manufacturing. Jobs, taxes and other revenue will be lost. So once again, our boy wonder Governor’s plan for Illinois economic recovery is to export more Illinois jobs, more business and more opportunities. That is a message that you can reinforce when you call your state representatives about this bill.

The big question is when will this come up for a vote? Don’t know. We don’t control that, they do. But there are a few tell tale signs that you can watch for. Since the vote will be close, about a 2 vote margin, they will need to have all of their people in attendance. So any absences by anti-gunners should delay it. We also think they are still scrounging for votes and don’t want to call the bill until they think they have the votes to pass it. The more time that goes by, the longer both sides have to work the bill. We think that plays to us.

The more times they change the bill, the more times they admit there are doubts about the bill and how far the impact will be felt. I would expect that once the House is done tinkering with the bill, we may see the final form pop up in the senate as an amendment to a shell bill (one that has no substance and just a title). There are four such bills pending before the Senate Executive Committee: SB-2532, SB-2533, SB-2534, and SB-2535. They could run the bill out and force a vote on it at anytime.

Again, every change at this point is an admission that they have a broad bill that is not designed to impact crime, but to ban guns from law abiding citizens. The Governor himself stated his intentions with the bill in his State of the State address when he said “No law abiding citizen needs…”

The week also saw the first salvo fired by gun owners in this year’s battle. Even though we detest the FOID card system, we are forced to live within it. With the ongoing problems of the State Police being unable to process the FOID card in the statutory requirement of 30 days, they and the Governor have received a lot of negative press. So much so that the Governor hired a bunch of people to try and clear the backlog. On the State Police answering machine, they even told Illinois residents to call back after 8 weeks! We introduced HB-4529. This bill would allow anyone who does not get their FOID card in the prescribed 30 days to sue the State Police for attorneys’ fees, damages and up to $500 per day in punitive damages.

Since the State Police seem to be unconcerned about placing gun owners in legal jeopardy because of their failures, then we will give them some incentives to comply with the law, until we can repeal the FOID card act.

We also saw movement on HB-4693, another so called gun dealer licensing bill. The real aim of this is to give Mayor Daley and the Governor the chance to run dealers out of business by creating their own mini ATFs to regulate gun dealers out of business.

HB-4694 is another attempt to strip Illinois residents of their right to self defense. The bill requires that firearms which are locked up must also be disassembled if there is a child in the house, defined as those under 18. There is no legal way to keep a firearm readily accessible for self defense.

We have also introduced a number of bills dealing with preemption and a few other issues. But being an election year, and the speaker’s limit of three bills per member, we are doubtful on the number that will make it out of the rules committee.

One other bill that got some attention was HB-4132. This bill would have banned the sale or possession of any replica military weapon. In fact it was so broadly drafted, that the impact would have been to cause the removal of the U505 exhibit at the Museum of Science and Industry, the closing of Cantigny and the Big Red 1 museum, as well as forcing the removal of all the artillery pieces at VFWs.

This is just another example of ISRA and NRA staying vigilant at the capitol. Not that it’s going to get reported anywhere where we stuck up for all the veteran organizations or stopped the banning of water pistols. But it was our work that showed what a bad piece of legislation this was; that the price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

But as always, the NRA and ISRA will be at the capitol to keep an eye on the antics of anti-gunners and promote the rights of Illinois 1.5 million law abiding gun owners. Keep calling your representatives and senators and let them know how you feel about pending legislation. Check in with the ISRA website for the latest updates.

And remember what the Governor said “No law abiding citizen needs…” it’s not about controlling crime, he admitted that. It’s about banning guns.

I'm concerned that they think they are within two votes of passing this. I know that only one rep from either party (Wyvetter Young D East St Louis) from Southern Illinois will vote for this. Where is the rest of the support outside of the Chicago delegation coming from?

Jeff

PCGS65
February 10, 2006, 04:48 PM
i hate to be a pessimist but Illinois is pretty much beyond help. the people have elected these idiots time and again and now Illinois residents are reaping the rewards of their decisions. there will come a point where the residents are fed up with having their freedoms taken away slowly but surely but apparently that time has not come yet. i'm truly sorry for the members of this board that live in NY, IL, CA, DC. the key is going to be get some rational people elected to office. otherwise it will be only an eternal battle to keep whats left of your rights. as long as Dick Daley and Blahblahblahvich are in office Illinois will continue down the road of Stalin.

Bobby
Bobarino, I hate to admit it but I agree with you. Illinois just breeds corruption and political crime. I do place most of the blame on Daley but as you said the people keep re-electing him and his father since 1955 with the exception of Balandic,Byrne and Washington .
As far as governers (D)Blago is currently being investigated by the feds and our previous gov, (R)Ryan is on trial as we speak. The state of Illinois should be declared unconstitutional!! Then divided up between Indiana,Missouri,Iowa and Wisconsin. Sorry Kentucky, you guys probably don't want any of Illinois anyway because crime and corruption among politicians is contagious. Then make D.C. a state so we don't have to change all the flags to 49 stars.

Technosavant
February 10, 2006, 05:45 PM
PCGS65,

Rather than divy up IL completely, I think Chicago and its immediate surroundings should become their own state, floundering in the mess they have themselves made. They would just end up dominating the politics of their new region, and not for the better.

But speaking for MO, we'd be happy to have most of central and southern IL. Madison and St. Clair Counties might need some rehab first.

Turkey Creek
February 10, 2006, 05:48 PM
Sorry but there is no help for the People's Republik- I've written off the Land of Lincolnoski along with the Northeast and La La Land

PCGS65
February 10, 2006, 06:41 PM
PCGS65,

Rather than divy up IL completely, I think Chicago and its immediate surroundings should become their own state, floundering in the mess they have themselves made. They would just end up dominating the politics of their new region, and not for the better.

But speaking for MO, we'd be happy to have most of central and southern IL. Madison and St. Clair Counties might need some rehab first.
Yeah your right Technosavant, I didn't think that there's no way in he** one could give away chicago or prabably most of NE Illinois. Indiana or Wisconsin wouldn't deserve that!! Let it fester in it's own pool.:evil:

Onmilo
February 12, 2006, 03:22 PM
Funny thing,
Everybody outside this state complains that we elected the idiots in office. Yet when you ask the folks who live here, nobody ever admits to actually voting for the jokers,,,,,,,

Johnnybgood
February 12, 2006, 03:47 PM
Blagovitch and Daley keep getting elected by thosse dead people who keep getting up out of their graves at election time. I didn't vote for Blago. I don't live in the Chicago area (thank God) so I don't vote for De Mayor. I am hoping desperatley that the people of Illinois are smart enough to vote Blago out of office and that either Brady or Oberwiese gets the nod.

DHFirearms
February 12, 2006, 04:09 PM
I think Chicago and its immediate surroundings should become their own state, floundering in the mess they have themselves made. They would just end up dominating the politics of their new region, and not for the better.

+1 I've said it many times Chicago and all its umm... "glory" needs to seperate from the state.

Funny thing,
Everybody outside this state complains that we elected the idiots in office. Yet when you ask the folks who live here, nobody ever admits to actually voting for the jokers,,,,,,,

Thats because of chicago, Illinois is almost all RED on the political map except for the north east corner its all BLUE. Unfortunatnly for those of us who live in central and southern IL we don't have near the population as that small area, so "Chi-town":barf: controls the state politically. Something really needs to be done about this. The votes need to be divided more equally amoung the counties and not based on population. I don't know the percentage but the majority of votes come out of Cook county. :cuss: :banghead: :cuss: :banghead:

Its not only dead people either they drag homeless from the street during elections with the offer of a free meal or cash to vote their way!

Don Gwinn
February 12, 2006, 08:15 PM
1. Blagojevich could not have won last time without the votes he got from downstate. Blame Chicago all you want, he's a Chicago boy who only got nominated because of his Chicago powerhouse father-in-law, but downstate still helped elect him.
People were willing to vote for anyone who wasn't George Ryan or a Republican. This is the danger with Judy Baar Topinka this time--that people will vote for her just because she's not Blagojevich and not a Democrat. Those are NOT qualifications!

2. Ironically, Illinois apparently didn't include the Chicago area when it was a territorial area. "We" extended the border north far enough to get access to Lake Michigan (and increase the population just to be on the safe side.)
If "we" hadn't, Chicago might be Wisconsin's problem today.

dmftoy1
February 12, 2006, 08:42 PM
I'd be more than happy to give Chicago to Wisconsin, or even Indiana if they want it.


I have no idea how Blago got elected . . . . .I voted republican, but it's EMBARASSING to be a republican in this state. Hell, it's embarassing to be a resident when you're talking politics. I think the idiots who are running this state have decided that we're just mini-california. How could you possibly justify an AWB bill when even the gun control idiots said the federal one didn't do anything . . .

foghornl
February 13, 2006, 09:10 AM
I'll be happy to operate one of the dozers pushing The Peoples Demokratik Republik of Chikago, ILL into The Lake...

Just like Hizzoner Emperor "DICK" Daley II did to the Meigs Field runway.

kwelz
February 13, 2006, 09:38 AM
I'd be more than happy to give Chicago to Wisconsin, or even Indiana if they want it.




Those are fighting words buddy. Don't try to dump your garbage in our state. However you are free to take Gary Indiana. ;)

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