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PlayboyPenguin
February 11, 2006, 12:33 AM
Okay, this idea has made my partner think I am completely insane but here goes. I have decided that I would like to build one of those fake book cases that open up to reveal a weapons vault behind them. Like the ones in the movies. It would just appear to be built in bookcases from outside but a hidden release would unlatch the cases and allow them to swing out like french door revealing a nice gun display wall inside. It should be pretty easy to do. I do own a construction business for goodness sake. I even have the perfect place. A closet in my office area that I removed the doors from and turned into display space (pictured below). I know it is childish but I think it would be neato.:D

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Janitor
February 11, 2006, 01:11 AM
Security through obscurity, eh? Well, by itself not my favorite tactic. In addition to all other measures though, one more layer certainly doesn't hurt. Especially if it were something neat like your bookcase idea. Love to see it. It's fairly normal to hide the safe somewhat, but usually the ideas aren't quite as cool (imo).

At this point in time, your posted picture isn't coming through.

I don't get the "childish" part. :cool:

PlayboyPenguin
February 11, 2006, 01:24 AM
Security through obscurity, eh? Well, by itself not my favorite tactic. In addition to all other measures though, one more layer certainly doesn't hurt. Especially if it were something neat like your bookcase idea. Love to see it. It's fairly normal to hide the safe somewhat, but usually the ideas aren't quite as cool (imo).

At this point in time, your posted picture isn't coming through.

I don't get the "childish" part. :cool:
Can people see what I am envisioning. I think the pic is working now.

bogie
February 11, 2006, 01:38 AM
If they can't see the safe, they can't break into it.

You're gonna need bigger studs. Think about the weight of a "convincing" bookcase (and you aren't gonna want tracks on the floor either). You'll want hinges that can deal with a coupla hundred pounds, and a wall that isn't gonna go anywhere.

I've seen some commercial "hide it" bookshelves, and thought they were okay.

Meplat
February 11, 2006, 01:48 AM
Okay, this idea has made my partner think I am completely insane but here goes. I have decided that I would like to build one of those fake book cases that open up to reveal a weapons vault behind them. Like the ones in the movies. It would just appear to be built in bookcases from outside but a hidden release would unlatch the cases and allow them to swing out like french door revealing a nice gun display wall inside. It should be pretty easy to do. I do own a construction business for goodness sake. I even have the perfect place. A closet in my office area that I removed the doors from and turned into display space (pictured below). I know it is childish but I think it would be neato.:D

Childish? Not at all. Not a bad idea at all if you have the room and resources. My old boss (multi-millionaire many times over and afficianado of VERY fine and high dollar rifles) did something similar but on a larger scale. Had me design a gun room that was hidden behind a floor to ceiling and wall to wall bookcase in his study. The room itself was a safe that had been removed from an old defunct small town bank. Security in spades!

torpid
February 11, 2006, 01:50 AM
I'd worry more about them stealing all those action figures and sculpts!

:D

Hawken50
February 11, 2006, 02:32 AM
if you could make it so that to unlatch the door you have to tip a a copy of "The Art of War" off the book shelf, that would be the ultimate in cool. :cool:

PlayboyPenguin
February 11, 2006, 03:05 AM
I'd worry more about them stealing all those action figures and sculpts!

:D

That is just the tip of the iceburg...the other 3 walls are completely covered and I have alot more in storage.:D

PlayboyPenguin
February 11, 2006, 03:06 AM
if you could make it so that to unlatch the door you have to tip a a copy of "The Art of War" off the book shelf, that would be the ultimate in cool. :cool:

I have a small bronze bust of batman and I though it would be really cool to have to tilt the statue to trip the latch. Kind of my homage to the batcave of the TV series.

MSgt B
February 11, 2006, 03:16 AM
It's alot easier than it sounds.

Make sure the floor in front where it swings out is tile or lino, and put a rubber soled caster under to help bear the weight. Even so, it will show marks on the floor over time.
Maybe as a contractor you might have access to some sort of gorilla hinge that can take the weight, so you won't have to use the caster.
Even with the beefiest hinges I could find, and the caster underneath, I had to keep the load on the shelves light.

Dress up your seams with overlapping moldings and use trim paint to match the rest of the house. You're in business.

Cosmoline
February 11, 2006, 03:57 AM
Gun safes are thief magnets. You're best off getting a fancy safe and filling it with old socks. Then hide your iron in the walls, vents, or whereever. The criminals will waste their time with the safe.

justashooter
February 11, 2006, 05:33 AM
really should think about the security of the safe.

not too much cost added to line your safe closet with a welded construction and angle framed expanded metal or sheet metal cage that has a set of pocket doors interlocking on a cutter-proof lock.

keeps anybody who can find it from coming in thru the wall behind, which can be done with a small hammer in new construction.

Nematocyst
February 11, 2006, 05:46 AM
I humbly suggest that there's a bigger theme here:

it's not just about safes v. secret bookshelves,
but about spaces within spaces.

For the truly strategic,
it's about spaces within spaces within spaces...

Now, for security reasons,
I can't share with you my specific strategy.

But let your imagination run wild
with safes, rooms, cases, closets, basements
& other spaces...in all manner of combinations &
permutations....

:D

And then, there's that 9mm in an OWB holster.

:evil:

Nem

Father Knows Best
February 11, 2006, 06:53 AM
http://www.hiddensafes.com/large.htm

Boom-stick
February 11, 2006, 06:57 AM
Had my eye on one of these but they are $$$$$$
http://www.21stantiques.com/images/mod305mah.jpg
http://www.21stantiques.com/images/mod305wal.jpg

mec360
February 11, 2006, 12:36 PM
If you are building your own, this could be pretty useful:
http://www.safetots.co.uk/item--Magnetic-Locks-2-Locks-1-Magnetic-Key--MagLock1Key2Locks

taliv
February 11, 2006, 01:14 PM
the completely insane part is thinking you'll be able to resist the urge to show everyone you know your cool new secret.

prediction: the whole town knows roughly 90 minutes after you tell your first friend

saboteur
February 11, 2006, 01:23 PM
Boom-Stick, where can I get that? Where did you find it?

Lupinus
February 11, 2006, 02:14 PM
the completely insane part is thinking you'll be able to resist the urge to show everyone you know your cool new secret.

prediction: the whole town knows roughly 90 minutes after you tell your first friend
All the more reason to have two :D

One to show off and one to have that is really hidden :neener:

Chrontius
February 11, 2006, 03:31 PM
I've been thinking about building a bed which hinges up to reveal a rather large safe... add some pneumatics to lift it up after a latch is tripped.

I have a small bronze bust of batman and I though it would be really cool to have to tilt the statue to trip the latch. Kind of my homage to the batcave of the TV series.
Sci Fi City here has Shakespeare busts with the hidden switch in 'em. Could probably use a solenoid lock to keep the bookcases shut...

Ohen Cepel
February 11, 2006, 03:39 PM
I would do similar things, except I don't stay places long enough to justify the time investment.

I think it's a great idea. However, you do have to be quite about it or it's for not.

MCgunner
February 11, 2006, 03:46 PM
Well, after I was broken into once and the thief got a few guns I had obvious (thank God he was in a hurry) I started thinking about "the equalizer's" "toy box". I have a recessed area in the bedroom where my dresser fits. I bought some siding and two bys and built a false wall. I've sorta outgown it, can't fit all my weapons in it, but keep my most valued. I keep a couple of mil surp "decoy" guns in the living room on a rack and hide the rest.

I then got broken into AGAIN. They walked past my decoy guns, a spanking new rifle in a box was there I'd ordered for a customer at the time, found a couple of single shot shotguns in my daughters room and ripped THOSE off. Total value of those guns maybe $150, bad enough but it saved my good guns. I doubt seriously anyone would EVER spend the time to find 'em behind that false wall. If you were intellegent and knew there were guns in the house and had the time to search, you could probably eventually figure it out. But, I feel safer with 'em in there than I would with a big safe that I don't have room for in my little house. The more you pay for in a safe, too, the better protection. Those $150 "safes" at WalMart ain't the ticket. I feel like my false wall is better than that!

Soybomb
February 11, 2006, 04:19 PM
To me one of the best things about a safe is having a humidity controlled storage location. It doesn't seem like you'd have much control with a wall compartment.

cpileri
February 11, 2006, 10:49 PM
Had my eye on one of these but they are $$$$$$
http://www.21stantiques.com/images/mod305mah.jpg
http://www.21stantiques.com/images/mod305wal.jpg

Hey, where'd you find that??!?!?!?!!
That's exactly what a guy WITH A WIFE WHO MUST BE OBEYED might need for his (her) home.
Not me of course... I"M the boss in MY house (hack, cough, ..."yes, Sweetheart, I was just kidding.")
C-

mole
February 11, 2006, 11:58 PM
I know a guy who used to be into guns big time before he changed his mind and got rid of most of them. He built a large king size bed. The headboard had a hidden latch on it that when activated let the "solid" front of the headboard fold down onto the mattress. He could fit a good number of guns in there. I thought it was rather cool.

mrmeval
February 12, 2006, 12:22 AM
Either build out a wall enough to hide a safe and put up the fake book case or put it in front of a closet.

http://www.hiddensafes.com/large.htm


Okay, this idea has made my partner think I am completely insane but here goes. I have decided that I would like to build one of those fake book cases that open up to reveal a weapons vault behind them. Like the ones in the movies. It would just appear to be built in bookcases from outside but a hidden release would unlatch the cases and allow them to swing out like french door revealing a nice gun display wall inside. It should be pretty easy to do. I do own a construction business for goodness sake. I even have the perfect place. A closet in my office area that I removed the doors from and turned into display space (pictured below). I know it is childish but I think it would be neato.:D

CB900F
February 12, 2006, 12:33 AM
Playboy & All;

The problem with the uber-cool hidden closet/room/armoir/etc, is fire protection. There isn't any. Now Cosmoline has stated that; "Gun safes are thief magnets". True. But the security strictly depends upon what one is calling a safe.

Most of the Residential Security Containers that are called safes, aren't. Underwriter's Labs won't list Liberty, Cannon, Ft. Knox, Browning, etc., etc., as safes. However, if you do buy a U.L. safe, you have an entirely different, read higher, level of protection than what you get when you spend good money for an R.S.C. In other words, a high-end Liberty isn't a safe, but it will cost about 80% as much & give you about 20% of the protection.

When I sell one of my customer's a true safe, I don't care if it is a thief magnet. Let 'em try, the pickings are much easier down the street. Match the cost of protection to the seriousness of the prospective loss. Don't spend $4,000.00 on a true safe & put $250,000.00 worth of guns & jewelry in it. Spend $30,000.00 on the protection, it's still cheaper than the premiums over the long run. Don't put $12,000.00 worth of guns in a $700.00 R.S.C., spend the $4,000.00 for the safe.

900F

f4t9r
February 12, 2006, 12:57 AM
I can see your plan , very interesting I would say go for it

cpileri
February 12, 2006, 05:11 PM
Got a direct link to that very nice looking cabinet? Really, my wife says it ca be inside the house!!!
C-

HerrWolfe
February 12, 2006, 06:37 PM
My state is a no questions, no retreat required. Therefore shoot first is permitted. If lethal force is permitted, so gas should also be permitted. And who says you must be at home anyway! Intruder detection notifies security company and sets off gas; what a hoot.:D

pete f
February 12, 2006, 08:31 PM
I have built a coffee table for a friend in a condo with concrete walls and floors. the coffee table looks generic, a big black base with a acrylic top. the top is actually attached to the sides of the box via a hinge, the top of the base slides open and presto, a 20 long gun and several hand gun security place.

have built bases for beds and hedboard that do the same. done the hidden door. (try SOSS hinges, no visible means of support)

perhaps the simplest it to shorten a bedroom closet, many have dead spaces that extend far beyound the bifold or sliding door. shorten that space, add a somewhat discrete door and hang a couple of old overcoats agaisnt it and you are good to go. Our first house had a closet that was wedge shaped under the stairs. I blocked that off and that became a secret space that held much of my ammo and hand guns.

Shotgun12
February 12, 2006, 09:22 PM
I agree that the lack of fire protection, would be an issue with these built-in "safes". When I built my house, that I designed, many years back (slab foundation - no basement), I considered incorporating something of this nature .... but didn't. If I could've re-done it .... especially being here in "tornado alley", I would've designed-in, a small "Safe-Room"; reinforced concrete, lockable from both inside, and out .... as 'fire resistant' as possible .... then maybe install a 'gun safe', within the safe-room itself (double layer protection).
A small room, either hidden or not, maybe 6'x 6' or so, could easily be built-in, if the layout of the house were large enough to accommodate it .... would be a major PITA for someone to attempt it as a retro-fit. Might be worth it however, for the person that has an "inventory", that is large & valuable enough to warrant that kind of investment.
As for myself, over the years I've allowed the size of my collection to "dwindle", to the point that it wouldn't really even be worth the expense, for me to spend the $'s for the protection a 'good' safe could provide.

Nematocyst
February 12, 2006, 09:29 PM
perhaps the simplest it to shorten a bedroom closet, many have dead spaces that extend far beyound the bifold or sliding door. shorten that space, add a somewhat discrete door and hang a couple of old overcoats agaisnt it and you are good to go. That's one of those ... those... what do they call it? Synchronicity things.

Not that I believe in anything like that, but interesting that a THR member would post about what I've been drawing up all day.

Thanks for the ideas. SOSS hinges. Check. Old coat. Check.

Much cheaper than a safe for a few guns, and in a protected room, deep within the bat cave.

Bwwwaaaahahahahaha....:evil:

Nem

rangerruck
February 13, 2006, 05:13 AM
id build yourself a nice airtight humidor, without the humid part.

Iron Mike
February 13, 2006, 05:40 AM
Years ago I built exactly what you are proposing,Bhind the book case I built a display rack,it was very cool, very James Bond like.One year when my wife and I were on vacation we had a fire,our computer which was in the same room as the book case was melted into a big plastic teardrop and just about every thing else in the room was destroyed.The guns, however were fine. The fire inspector thought it might have been the thickness of the books that protected the guns.Just a thought

Robert Hairless
February 13, 2006, 07:52 AM
Hey, where'd you find that??!?!?!?!!
That's exactly what a guy WITH A WIFE WHO MUST BE OBEYED might need for his (her) home.
Not me of course... I"M the boss in MY house (hack, cough, ..."yes, Sweetheart, I was just kidding.")
C-

http://www.21stantiques.com

pluvo
February 13, 2006, 06:35 PM
I've been thinking about building a bed which hinges up to reveal a rather large safe... add some pneumatics to lift it up after a latch is tripped.

Something like this?

http://www.storagebeds.com/images/Dbl_White.gif

http://www.storagebeds.com/storagebeds.htm

Igloodude
February 13, 2006, 08:10 PM
To those thinking about weight being too much for the hinges, perhaps setting it up so that it pivots through the midpoint rather than on one edge would increase the load enough to matter?

cpileri
February 14, 2006, 12:29 AM
http://www.21stantiques.com


Thanks!
approx 2500 british pounds= 4300 USD.
Whoa!
C-

rayra
February 14, 2006, 03:54 AM
Did just such a hidden storage bookcase, a few years ago -

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v95/rayra/nonsense/bookcasemontage.jpg

It was for the storage / display of replica sci-fi movie hand weapons. I had a dilemma, house in the suburbs of L.A., only major wallspace in my home office is in full view of a large bay window. Didn't want a wall full of 'weapons' visible from the sidewalk. I had the same glee about the movie secret-stash idea, so I ran with it.
The pictured case was a 'proof of concept'. It's anchored to the wall for stability, the door / shelves uses a full-length piano hinge for strength / smoothness. I put some trim moldings to camoflage the joint. And used a pin dropped into the backing of the shelves from the shelf above as a latching device.
The shelves hold VHS and DVDs.

And speaking of synchronicity, I just demolished it today, as part of a major home office remodel.

I do however have some plans to build it again for 'real', using quality woods, better trimmings, a better latch mechanism and likely some low voltage lights inside the display portion AND in the visible top shelves as 'explanation' for the power cord running to it.

Lots of visitors. No one ever spotted it until I surprised them with it.

The replacement will have slightly different proportions, deeper shelves / shallower interior space and less-tall shelves so that the backplane isn't so visible. There'll be even less visual clues that something is out of whack.

PlayboyPenguin
February 14, 2006, 04:00 AM
Did just such a hidden storage bookcase, a few years ago -

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v95/rayra/nonsense/bookcasemontage.jpg

It was for the storage / display of replica sci-fi movie hand weapons. I had a dilemma, house in the suburbs of L.A., only major wallspace in my home office is in full view of a large bay window. Didn't want a wall full of 'weapons' visible from the sidewalk. I had the same glee about the movie secret-stash idea, so I ran with it.
The pictured case was a 'proof of concept'. It's anchored to the wall for stability, the door / shelves uses a full-length piano hinge for strength / smoothness. I put some trim moldings to camoflage the joint. And used a pin dropped into the backing of the shelves from the shelf above as a latching device.
The shelves hold VHS and DVDs.

And speaking of synchronicity, I just demolished it today, as part of a major home office remodel.

I do however have some plans to build it again for 'real', using quality woods, better trimmings, a better latch mechanism and likely some low voltage lights inside the display portion AND in the visible top shelves as 'explanation' for the power cord running to it.

Lots of visitors. No one ever spotted it until I surprised them with it.

The replacement will have slightly different proportions, deeper shelves / shallower interior space and less-tall shelves so that the backplane isn't so visible. There'll be even less visual clues that something is out of whack.
very nice...almost exactely what I was picturing. now if I could just get motivated enough to do some work here.

LAK
February 14, 2006, 04:28 AM
I think it makes perfect sense. If you can add some fire proofing all the better.
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Nematocyst
February 14, 2006, 05:06 AM
So, here's a stream-of-consciousness description of the project i'm working on.

After pricing 'inexpensive' <cough CHEAP> metal gun 'safes' (or some euphamism for said 'safes' like 'home security cabinet'), I've been dreaming, thinking, planning a less expensive but more effective option.

Imagine a closet with dimensions shallow & long.

That is, as you enter the closet door (1), you can touch the back wall (shallow) but both left & right are well beyond your reach (long).

Further imagine that one end of said closet is a dead end of sorts. At least two walls on one end are backed by regions not easily accessible by hack saw, jaws of life, sledge hammers, and the like. Those walls are brick or second floor outer walls, not easily busted into by a stoopid crack head.

Further more, imagine reinforcing those walls, on the inside, with 8 to 10 ga. steel plates.
(Translation: even after they crawl up 13 feet and tunnel past the brick, they hit heavy steel. Bummer. :evil: )

Now, build a 4x4 timber frame between the 'back' walls of this cul de sac and the door into it (see 1), then hang an 8 or 10 ga. door (2) on heavy hinges on that frame.

When you're not home, a hasp locked by a good pad lock on door 2 will retard entry by parasites of any species.

Oh, did I mention? Closet door 1 is inside of an interior room guarded by an exterior, solid core door (3).

Yeah, I'm one of those that feels that important rooms - like bedrooms & offices - are worthy of protection by exterior doors, even in interior spaces. Not to mention the benefit of comfortable temperature control offered by weather stripping of that exterior door.

Spaces inside of spaces inside of spaces...inside of spaces...

If, no when layer 1 fails (if they want in bad enough, and have the right skills, then it WILL fail), then layer 2 slows them down. If they bust through it, then they hit layer 3, and exclaim, " :what: ".

Just thinking out loud here.

Ideas welcomed. Then it becomes a community project. ;)

Nem

startrekeagle357
February 14, 2006, 08:22 AM
My wife wanted a display case in living room. I bought a cake case from bakery was perfect had lights & shelf brackets but was 14 inches shorter than ceiling so needed to be trimmed in. I made a 30 inch panel in the middle that was hinged on bottom but was stumped what to use for latch until she brings home these magnetic kid latches for kid proofing the sink cabinets. they are great. No outside visual indicators of a latch, but put the magnet in the right place & panel falls open. You can put these all over house & all you need is magnet to open. hope this helps. Eagle357

Janitor
February 14, 2006, 08:32 AM
A friend of mine just finished building a new home.

In the (large) garage, off of any blueprints, there's some steps (behind a door) into a room below the reinforced concrete floor. The stairs terminate in an old bank vault door which opens to an 8' X 8' poured/reinforced concrete room lined with gun storage racks/shelves. The whole thing is temperature & humidity controlled.

If I had any safe queens that I were truely concerned about, I'd take them to live at my buddies place.

But as much as I like that safe, and as neat as it is ... I can't shake how cool it would be to go to a bookshelf and yank on an Al Franken book and see the thing swing open to expose the gun collection. :D

rayra
February 16, 2006, 01:31 AM
...yank on an Al Franken book and see the thing swing open to expose the gun collection. :Dlol!

PlayboyPenguin
February 16, 2006, 01:56 AM
But as much as I like that safe, and as neat as it is ... I can't shake how cool it would be to go to a bookshelf and yank on an Al Franken book and see the thing swing open to expose the gun collection. :D
I do have his books. I believe in reading both sides of a story so I read his and some conservative books. Al's seem to hold up alot better when it comes to economics, politics, and most general topics. he seems to do alot more fact checking and mathmatical analysis. We do however part ways on lots of issues since he is quite a bit further left than I am...:)

Merkin.Muffley
February 16, 2006, 02:53 AM
Can't those action figures guard your guns?

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