Any M14 fans?


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woodman
February 11, 2006, 01:02 AM
I'm looking into either buying or building or having built, an M1A. I live in the city of ( People's Republic of) Denver, so unfortunately an AR15 is problematic until they sort out home rule vs state law. But the M14/M1A semiauto is not banned, and I've always kind of had my eye on one. As long as I'm not carrying it too awful far, I could use it for elk, antelope, etc. Aside from the weight and cost it seems like a pretty versatile rifle. I'd like some opinions - people seem to either love 'em or hate 'em. Also, if you were to build one more or less from scratch (I'm not a gunsmith or machinist, so I'm talking mostly assembly rather than a lot of machining), what would your ideal M14 type rifle be? Standard receiver, rear-lugged or double-lugged? What brand of receiver? What barrel? What stock? Other components? M14 service rifle type, or M21 sniper? Stainless barrel or carbon steel?
So far I'm leaning toward basically a National Match, synthetic stock, 22" barrel, probably the medium weight Krieger. I would want to use it for some hunting as well as target shooting, so I think the full-blown M21 or M25version would be a little more than I'd want to carry around (or pay for). I'm looking at the Entreprise Arms receiver - any recommendations there?
Any thoughts on off-the-shelf vs building one from components? Sorry for all the questions. If I go this route I want to get as much info up front as possible since these buggers are a bit spendy. Thanks, all!

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Sunray
February 11, 2006, 01:32 AM
If you can afford it, buy a regular M1A. You can't have a real semi'd M-14 because your ATF is allowed to make law by their regulations and they consider any real semi'd M-14 to be an MG.
"...a National Match, synthetic stock, 22" barrel, probably the medium weight Krieger..." That's a big pile of money for what sounds like a hunting rifle.

Optical Serenity
February 11, 2006, 02:25 AM
The M1A is a great gun...if you want a small one, take a look at the Socom-16.

Gator
February 11, 2006, 02:26 AM
The M14/M1A is a great rifle. In fact many old M14s are being rebuilt for use in Iraq and Afghanistan, unfortunately this has caused parts to skyrocket in price and become hard to find.

If I were building one from scratch I would use an LRB (http://www.lrbarms.com/pages/1/) reciever. LRB is the only company that makes a forged receiver like the original M14s, they are the closest thing you can get to a milspec receiver. LRBs are a bit more expensive but they are the best. The next best would be a Fulton Armory receiver. Fulton gets them built to their own specs from Armscorp and are a bit nicer than the stock Armscorp receivers. Springfield Armory receivers aren't bad either.

As far as parts go, USGI are the best and of the USGI TRW parts seem to be the most sought after. Avoid Chinese parts except for the op-rods, they are forged and are pretty good.

Here's a pic of my LRB in an old Fajen stock.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Galt38/LRBmid2.jpg

BruceB
February 11, 2006, 02:48 AM
For more information on M1A/M-14 rifles than you can imagine, go to www.m-14forum.com .....and tell 'em that THR sent you!

Rambosky
February 11, 2006, 04:46 AM
I liked the one I use to use until they took it away and gave me the Mattel Toy.

http://home.carolina.rr.com/rambosky/M14.jpg

iamkris
February 11, 2006, 09:54 AM
Any M14 fans?

You really asked that question on a gun board? :p

Isn't that like going to Rome and asking if there are any Catholics around?

Yup, I like em just fine (top one is mine, the second...well I just like the picture)

http://i1.tinypic.com/nlsx3b.jpg
http://i1.tinypic.com/nlsxeq.jpg

Farnham
February 11, 2006, 11:42 AM
I love mine! Plain old Springfield Armory Standard. Interestingly enough, it came with almost all parts (short of op rod, bolt, stock, and reciever) USGI, built by H&R. Replaced the stock already, and in the market for an H&R bolt.

http://www.hunt101.com/img/346446.jpg (http://www.hunt101.com/?p=346446&c=548&z=1)

Another forum with a great M14/M1A section is http://www.battlerifles.com

S/F

Farnham

ocabj
February 11, 2006, 12:18 PM
If you can afford it, buy a regular M1A. You can't have a real semi'd M-14 because your ATF is allowed to make law by their regulations and they consider any real semi'd M-14 to be an MG.

'M1A' is a trademarked name used by Springfield Armory Incorporated for their M14 clones.

That said, you can get a commercial civilian made M14 from LRB or Fulton, which are argueably better than an M1A.

colt.45
February 11, 2006, 12:19 PM
my favorite, m-1a's are imho the best rifle. it would proove to be a good hunting rifle with plenty of punch, while still being fun to go plinking with, if you want a little better accuracy than standard, i would get the springfield loaded standard, anything better is going to get heavy. good luck man, i hope you find a good one.

runninmike
February 11, 2006, 01:26 PM
I'm a fan. I used to build match M-14s for the USMC rifle team.
We welded 2 lugs on the reciever and tapped them and added a metal escucheon in each lug bed in the stock when we glassed them in. Our post and station teams-we built those rifles with one rear lug that was not screwed in. That one lugger was also the one we built for desert storm and dubbed it the DMR (designated marksman rifle, same as national match but with a Leupold 8x scope).
The answer on the how many lugs or not depends on how much you shoot the rifle. A non lugged glassed rifle will give as much high accuracy as a lugged rifle, but the higher accuracy will not last as long. We used the double lug on the team because they shot every day, usually twice across the course(each shooter has 2 rifles), and after 4 months of everyday shooting, the rifles would obviously loosen up a bit and require a skim glass or full new glass before the end of the season and off to the nationals. The post and stations (fleet Marine Corps) shoot alot, but do not have as many rifle team equipment (RTE) armourers available to service their stuff out in the fleet, and the team at Quantico has a full time gunsmith team attached to them that travels with them to all the matches and can service a double lug gun easier because they contantly maintain them.
Many competetors use no luggers. You can glass your rifle, get your headspace to just close on a 1.631" gage, get a good Gene Barrnet bbl from the Bbl Barn in Tennessee(we used many of these) and have your gas system worked over and welded tight and you can guarantee sub moa accuracy. We tested every rifle at 300yds with a guy at the recieving end of the range (pitts) measuring groups, and those rifles are capable of 5 shots into to an inch at that distance-I have seen it many times. And every one of those guns would definetly shoot no bigger than 3" at 300 or we would go through them again until they did.
On the type of reciever I would get, mine would be a forged Smith reciever if I could find one, 2nd choice would be a Springfield because I have more experience with it in the civilian world, and it is very good for the money imo. It's been 11 years since I was in the shooting game, and those 2 that I mentioned were very good at that time. Fulton was there, but wasn't quite as popular at that time although the ones I serviced seemed good. I built a 1 lug for Carlos Hathcock on a Springfield as a gift from his son, and several others on that platform and they just worked great at that time.
Sorry-I can just ramble, didn't mean to hijack this thread,
so in closing I'll just say there are many things you can do to an M-1a or similar rifle that will tighten groups up, if you get one and need some advice, I'd be glad to help with, drop me a line.
Best-Mike
USMC/2112

Peter M. Eick
February 11, 2006, 03:01 PM
I really like mine because they make me look like a much better shooter then I really am. The key is they are very easy to shoot well off the bench once you figure out some tricks!

http://pages.sbcglobal.net/eickpm/sm_targets2.jpg
50 shots, 100 yards off the bench with a SuperMatch.

http://pages.sbcglobal.net/eickpm/nm_target.jpg
50 shots, 100 yards off the bench with a NationalMatch.

http://pages.sbcglobal.net/eickpm/m1a_catcher.jpg
Here is my standard bench setup.

http://pages.sbcglobal.net/eickpm/sm_target.jpg

Here is the 168's out of the SuperMatch off the bench as my best target yet.

Dienekes
February 11, 2006, 03:24 PM
My only regret is that I didn't have the foresight to grab up one of the original Devine TX rifles circa 1972 as I was inclined to do.

My M1A has been and continues to be a good rifle; SA's "match" (?) med-hvy barrel and later NM mods and glass bedding. Personally I would get a standard, shoot it a LOT and then make any modifications I found I needed and could justify with my abilities (or lack thereof)

The longer I own it the better I like it.

runninmike
February 11, 2006, 03:39 PM
Peter M. Eick
That's what I'm talking about sir... nobody tells us a gas gun can't shoot!
Nice rifle pard. Yours looks like a DMR. Ours had woodland camo McMillan stocks, but also came in a myriad of color schemes.
Outstanding groups.
Best-MC

MJ
February 11, 2006, 08:49 PM
Has the pressure treated stock and is bedded.;)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/montereyjack/8fce5d30.jpg

:) MJ:)

gunsmith
February 11, 2006, 11:58 PM
and I am sure gllad I found this thread! ...thanks!!!

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