Fellow NJ Firearms Owners - Please Read!


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Lion_dog
February 11, 2006, 10:55 AM
Hello-

I am Lion_dog Membership Director for the The NJ Coalition for Self Defense. WE are a volunteer citizen's non-profit organization, whose purpose is to perform a public education service with respect to our Civil, Human and Constitutional rights, provide training on practical principles of effective self defense for personal, family and public safety, and promote traditional American libertarian principles.

Our mission: To effect positive change to New Jersey's current public policy of discouraging, penalizing, and even criminalizing, legitimate and necessary acts and methods of self defense and to pursue these policy changes through legislative initiatives, grassroots activism and statewide public information campaigns.

The NJ Coalition for Self Defense absolutely does NOT advocate or condone the initiation of force under any circumstances. We do, however, support the basic civil and human rights of all citizens to defend themselves from an assailant.

Our position is that the decision to take personal responsibility for one's own personal safety is a laudable, realistic, and necessary first step. The critical elements to this are overall awareness of ones situation, a commitment to avoid unnecessary confrontation, a commitment to de-escalation when feasible, and to have a plan to survive predatory attacks.

In this larger context, the decision to accept the responsibility of owning and carrying defensive weapons and/or training, as consistent with the law, is a personal decision of gravity that should not be taken lightly.

The NJ Coalition for Self Defense is an advocate for responsible, law abiding citizens who have elected to take this legitimate step, and seeks to re affirm the individuals right to do so in the State of New Jersey.

http://www.njcsd.org/index.php?option=com_extcalendar&Itemid=39&extmode=view&extid=9 (We have a GENERAL MEMBERSHIP meeting this 2/19/06.)

The next NJCSD general meeting is on Sunday 2/19 from Noon to 3PM at the 2nd Floor Conference room of the Fairleigh Dickinson University in Hackensack. Driving directions below.

All members, guests and the general public are welcomed!

We will be covering the following subjects:
- Update since our last meeting of 7/24
- Current initiatives in the works
- On The Radar (initiatives we want to implement)
- Strategic Relationships
- Website improvements (we'll have a live internet connection and video projector)
- Brainstorming (open discussion from the floor)
- Surprise mini-FUNdraiser

The great news is that we also might have our Membership T-Shirts ready by that time. If you are a DUES PAYING MEMBER and have not done so already, please take a moment to vote in the poll linked below.

http://www.njcsd.org/forum/showthread.php?t=262

Directions from just about anywhere South or West:
- Garden State Parkway or Rt. 17 North
- Exit onto Route 4 Eastbound
- Exit onto Hackensack Avenue Southbound (County 503), just as you approach Riverside Square Mall. I suggest you stay to the right hand side as you travel Rt. 4, because the exit comes up fairly quickly after the large office buildings to your left.
- Hackensack Ave. South for approximately 1 mile, make a LEFT at the 2ND LIGHT into the FDU campus.
- Straight back on the service road, and make a left on the street right before the building with the pointed roof.

Similar directions can be surmised from parts North, if you will be travelling South on the GSP or Rt. 17. If you're coming from the Palisades Parkway, take Rt. 4 Westbound, and exit at the loop for Hackensack avenue right near the Riverside Square mall.

Please feel free to call with any questions or problems at 201-895-0033.

Thanks for your attention. We look forward to seeing old friends and making new ones!

Yours in Liberty,

Lion_dog

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geekWithA.45
February 11, 2006, 11:34 AM
+1 on these guys, they've got the right ideas.

If you're a gunny in New Jersey, you oughta be a member.

Lion_dog
February 12, 2006, 12:26 AM
Mods, can I get a tack till 2.19 please? :D

P95Carry
February 12, 2006, 12:30 AM
Not my forum to mod but, taken liberty of sticking this just for now - so it does not disappear too quick.

Hope you guys get more support - boy does NJ need it.

Lion_dog
February 12, 2006, 11:38 AM
Yes we do need the help, any and all the help we can get - !!! All is appreciated.

I know I have limited involvement and exposure on THR, but we, NJCSD, are trying to do the RIGHT thing.


Thank you very much.

Nathaniel Firethorn
February 13, 2006, 04:52 PM
If there was ever a bunch who are in the same position as Leonidas at Thermopylae, (http://www.molonlabe.com/molon_labe.htm) it's NJ firearms owners.

To mix metaphors a bit,

http://www.gadsden.info/i/join-or-die.gif

- NF
(NJCSD member since the beginning)

Ol Retired Gunney
February 13, 2006, 10:22 PM
And he said:Thank GOD I now live in the U.S.A.I just left NEW JERSY!
SAD SAD SAD:o :o :o

Lion_dog
February 14, 2006, 09:06 AM
There are many current Patriots here in NJ still, and although we prefer freer states this is STILL our state and ours to fight for. When I can, I too will leave but not until I can poke an eye or two of the fascists. As in real life, one may or may not beat me up, but I'm going down swinging, kicking biting scratching. One will remember from their scars they have met me.

This is a GOOD fight, years of capitulation and corruption has taken its toll. Some one must champion for what is right and good, we are here to amass the less inclined and the fervent to fight back.

ambush
February 14, 2006, 10:40 AM
Lion_dog,
Count me as a Patriot too!! As with you, I'm stuck here for the foreseeable future and have been so for most of my 46 years. We live in a political sewer hole ...the corruption makes me sick. I think we are going to have BIG trouble with King Jon and his new AG (wants to make NJ first "gun free" state). I live down south...am going to try to make the meeting this week, but its not looking too good right now as I already have plans and just found out about the meeting. I will keep up with the organization and will become a dues paying member (just found your org yesterday). You need some southern exposure....I noticed there are only 75 or so members on the forum. I will tell all my friends to log on. Look forward to meeting some day. Regards

Lion_dog
February 14, 2006, 10:59 AM
Lion_dog,
Count me as a Patriot too!! As with you, I'm stuck here for the foreseeable future and have been so for most of my 46 years. We live in a political sewer hole ...the corruption makes me sick. I think we are going to have BIG trouble with King Jon and his new AG (wants to make NJ first "gun free" state). I live down south...am going to try to make the meeting this week, but its not looking too good right now as I already have plans and just found out about the meeting. I will keep up with the organization and will become a dues paying member (just found your org yesterday). You need some southern exposure....I noticed there are only 75 or so members on the forum. I will tell all my friends to log on. Look forward to meeting some day. Regards

Excellent - spread the word, thank you.

NJCSD is three years old. In its process of growth (new management, new website, new pretty much everything - we have lost touch with MANY old members [another topic]) the road has been bumpy and mostly under funded. I am new in my role, since ~August '05.

We pray the day you see at least ONE BILLBOARD on a MAJOR NJ ROADWAY.

"JOIN NJCSD and FIGHT for your RIGHTS"

...or something on that order.

We have some GROUND shaking news to be announced at this meeting and DAY-YUM it is GOOD and MOST positive.

Please stay in touch.

45Frank
February 15, 2006, 12:46 PM
Well you sure do have your hands full of it in the Socialist Republic of NJ.
I ran more then two years ago and one of the main reasons was the socialist view of firearms. With the swipe of a pen Gov. Florio made thousands of criminals then the lieing Lesbian Whitman who swore to my face she would reverse the Florio gun ban. Then she denied ever saying it. It's in print I had it.
Then you have the Democratic pig named Chris Smith who hides behind a conservative republican slogan. He is a liberal Demmy all the way. And you's relect him every time.
I sat in a restaurant in NJ and he swore he would never vote for the Brady bill and did it anyway. You will never win in the Socialist Republic of New Jersey.
In NJ you listen to the news and hear how people always make fun of the State and you are the butt of all Jokes well you know what once you leave you see it's all true.
Sorry for the rant but I have never felt better then when I left NJ. I lived there my whole life, highest auto ins. in the country, highest property taxes, highest crime in the largest cities (Camdon, Newark and so on), a Gay governor who gave his bed fellow a $200,000.00 a year job to pleasure him.(Then you elect his buddy as Governor. Come on sink in to the Ocean.
Good bye.

Just_a_dude_with_a_gun
February 15, 2006, 01:09 PM
Hello, folks.

I'm in PRNJ as well... Hoboken,to be exact. :uhoh:

This is the type of place where they lose my voter registration (yes, sadly, I declared a party) at every opportunity, to force me into an easily discarded
'write-in'. :cuss:

I have to hide my Amer. Rifleman mags when we host my kid's playgroup,
or I'm sure the other parents in the building would have a royal SH*TFIT. :rolleyes:

But, I look at it this way... Before I moved out of Manhattan, I had no
rights and had to leave the state to shoot a friend's guns. Now, I'm
licensed, and can shoot my own firearms when I want to.

Anyone want to opine on their favored FFL's in North Jersey?
Anyone Shop at Caso's Gun-a-rama? Good? Bad?

Lion_dog
February 15, 2006, 01:13 PM
Well you sure do have your hands full of it in the Socialist Republic of NJ.
I ran more then two years ago and one of the main reasons was the socialist view of firearms. With the swipe of a pen Gov. Florio made thousands of criminals then the lieing Lesbian Whitman who swore to my face she would reverse the Florio gun ban. Then she denied ever saying it. It's in print I had it.
Then you have the Democratic pig named Chris Smith who hides behind a conservative republican slogan. He is a liberal Demmy all the way. And you's relect him every time.
I sat in a restaurant in NJ and he swore he would never vote for the Brady bill and did it anyway. You will never win in the Socialist Republic of New Jersey.
In NJ you listen to the news and hear how people always make fun of the State and you are the butt of all Jokes well you know what once you leave you see it's all true.
Sorry for the rant but I have never felt better then when I left NJ. I lived there my whole life, highest auto ins. in the country, highest property taxes, highest crime in the largest cities (Camdon, Newark and so on), a Gay governor who gave his bed fellow a $200,000.00 a year job to pleasure him.(Then you elect his buddy as Governor. Come on sink in to the Ocean.
Good bye.

I am happy you are happy living in a "free state".

NJCSD is not giving up. This not about running, some of us can, some can't. While and AFTER I leave this state I will contribute something to fight for firearms rights here. I lived in NY and CA and now for the time being NJ. I still give to CA and NY to fight the hordes and whores of the political game. Turning your back really is not an option. NJ is not falling into the ocean, CA maybe for real reasons. Rock throwers can have a field day, we (gun owners)are all in the SAME glass house - instead of helping with some kind of support there is more sport throwing the rock.

Sorry you feel the way you do about NJ. It is a pretty nice state, the politics SUCK, the MEDIA sucks so all of the people suck? Nah, I live here and I don't suck and I don't bend over.

45Frank
February 15, 2006, 01:24 PM
I just don't get how you or we can win when the same loosers keep getting elected and the media is a large part of it. I watched Chuck Scarbourough NBC years ago talk about a murder a knifing and they had a picture of a gun behind him.
NJ gets the least amount of Federal aid for there dollar for like 30 years nows. And every year the same old same old. These politicians in NJ more then anywhere else just ride the people into the ground and the people seem to love it.
The gay guy, Whitmann, Florio. Kean all very rich now on our backs and did not one thing for the state. You must admit it's now worse then NY or even CA.
Good Luck with you fight one of my best friends is still there and he leaves for Fla. most of the year.





I am happy you are happy living in a "free state".

NJCSD is not giving up. This not about running, some of us can, some can't. While and AFTER I leave this state I will contribute something to fight for firearms rights here. I lived in NY and CA and now for the time being NJ. I still give to CA and NY to fight the hordes and whores of the political game. Turning your back really is not an option. NJ is not falling into the ocean, CA maybe for real reasons. Rock throwers can have a field day, we (gun owners)are all in the SAME glass house - instead of helping with some kind of support there is more sport throwing the rock.

Sorry you feel the way you do about NJ. It is a pretty nice state, the politics SUCK, the MEDIA sucks so all of the people suck? Nah, I live here and I don't suck and I don't bend over.

Lion_dog
February 15, 2006, 01:59 PM
45Frank-

I agree with your observations. However YOU can still matter, become a donating member of NJCSD. Ooooh, you maybe thinking - it's about the money. Yes it is. They, the bad guys are CORRUPT and it involves $$$ - we are not corrupt and doing the right thing, but doing the right thing needs money to accomplish that. What is that??? Firearms and self-defense Education, Positive Firearms and self-defense press releases, advertising, etc. at the LOCAL NJ level.

If you can give or in a position Frank please do contribute - any dollar amount helps. Reach out to your NJ buddy and show him. I don't mean to be rude or discourteous but if the Founding Fathers gave up we'd be speaking the KING'S ENGLISH instead of JERZY.

L_d


I just don't get how you or we can win when the same loosers keep getting elected and the media is a large part of it. I watched Chuck Scarbourough NBC years ago talk about a murder a knifing and they had a picture of a gun behind him.
NJ gets the least amount of Federal aid for there dollar for like 30 years nows. And every year the same old same old. These politicians in NJ more then anywhere else just ride the people into the ground and the people seem to love it.
The gay guy, Whitmann, Florio. Kean all very rich now on our backs and did not one thing for the state. You must admit it's now worse then NY or even CA.
Good Luck with you fight one of my best friends is still there and he leaves for Fla. most of the year.

ambush
February 15, 2006, 03:18 PM
Sorry you feel the way you do about NJ. It is a pretty nice state, the politics SUCK, the MEDIA sucks so all of the people suck? Nah, I live here and I don't suck and I don't bend over.

I'm with Lion_Dog on this one. Its a beautiful State. Most folks in the rest of the Country do not even know/care about. I can ski in the mountains and three hours later, swim in the ocean. I can hunt five months out of the year and use the state gun ranges all year round for free. I've gotten lost in south jersey pines and had to spend the night in the woods while bow hunting:eek: Our weather is temperate, its 52 degrees out today. Most people are good people.....and a lot of us are STUCK here for now. Yes, there is going to be more trouble with Corzine in now and yes, I feel like I'm fartin' in the wind trying to change the way most folks in NJ feel about gun ownership. I write letter after letter to politicians (Lautenberg, just to name one) and newspapers anyway. If nothing else, it keeps people thinking about gun issues and lets them know that there are gun loving folks out there amongst them. And lion_dog, I'm behind this movement to regain our Constitutional Rights.

Lion_dog
February 15, 2006, 03:40 PM
I'm with Lion_Dog on this one. Its a beautiful State. Most folks in the rest of the Country do not even know/care about. I can ski in the mountains and three hours later, swim in the ocean. I can hunt five months out of the year and use the state gun ranges all year round for free. I've gotten lost in south jersey pines and had to spend the night in the woods while bow hunting:eek: Our weather is temperate, its 52 degrees out today. Most people are good people.....and a lot of us are STUCK here for now. Yes, there is going to be more trouble with Corzine in now and yes, I feel like I'm fartin' in the wind trying to change the way most folks in NJ feel about gun ownership. I write letter after letter to politicians (Lautenberg, just to name one) and newspapers anyway. If nothing else, it keeps people thinking about gun issues and lets them know that there are gun loving folks out there amongst them. And lion_dog, I'm behind this movement to regain our Constitutional Rights.

That's right! If some can say, "I'm here, I'm queer...", I can say, "'from my cold, dead hands'".

MOLON LABE

45Frank
February 15, 2006, 09:14 PM
I grew up a clamdigger and both my kids were born Pinies.
Corzine will take up where Florio left off. This man is a total socialist. I wish you all the luck but I'm sorry I can never see it getting any better for gun owners. I can't understand how these Guys keep getting elected, some of the Republicans the last few elections weren't that bad. The biggest problem is many of these politicians mostly Republican go on the record one way then vote the other and it never gets reported, I used Chris Smith is previous post as an example, Whittman is enother. She denied ever saying she'ld resind the Florio Gun ban. It was out there everyplace. AND SHE WON BY LESS THEN THE NUMBERS OF GUN OWNERS IN NJ, LESS THEN 25000 VOTES.
I collected thousands of signatures with John Lotts report and to get a right to carry to Whitman and she left them on the steps of the capitol. Remember these people Republicans stab you in the back at least with the Demmy you know what your getting.
Yes you can ski and be at the beach in a few hours but you can't afford to get on it. Then if you do you got a good chance of seeing a tampon or needle floating on by.
NJ are the filthiest beachs I 've ever seen and the most expensive. I've hit nearly every beach from NY to Texas.
Again Good Luck


I'm with Lion_Dog on this one. Its a beautiful State. Most folks in the rest of the Country do not even know/care about. I can ski in the mountains and three hours later, swim in the ocean. I can hunt five months out of the year and use the state gun ranges all year round for free. I've gotten lost in south jersey pines and had to spend the night in the woods while bow hunting:eek: Our weather is temperate, its 52 degrees out today. Most people are good people.....and a lot of us are STUCK here for now. Yes, there is going to be more trouble with Corzine in now and yes, I feel like I'm fartin' in the wind trying to change the way most folks in NJ feel about gun ownership. I write letter after letter to politicians (Lautenberg, just to name one) and newspapers anyway. If nothing else, it keeps people thinking about gun issues and lets them know that there are gun loving folks out there amongst them. And lion_dog, I'm behind this movement to regain our Constitutional Rights.

ambush
February 16, 2006, 09:51 AM
45Frank, I can't disagree with a lot of what you said; however, I have to make the best of what I can of NJ as I'm going to be here for at least another fifteen years. I envy all the folks here that have freedoms in their state that we do not have in NJ. I agree, the politicians are nothing more that a bunch of self serving liars and thieves. IMO, the only agenda most of them have is self preservation. That being said, they are also pretty shrewed. Place friends, relatives and party faithful on the payroll and keep handing out the goodies to the less fortunate at the expense of the working family man. Just in Gloucester County alone, our Freeholder chairman has several "confidential assistants" making over 100k a year with no job description. That's how they keep getting elected. With the state budget six billion in the red, the King wants to institute full time pre-school for all the three and four year olds in the state at a cost of two billion a year. What voting bloc do you think that program will deliver to the poles? Like I said before, its a political sewer hole and I think the federal justice department would have a field day here. I pray someday they do. But until then, we have to keep plugging away, trying to do what we can and try to expose these extortionists for what they are. P.S. I'd eat my own vomit before I'd pay to sit on a beach in NJ.

Sharpdogs
February 16, 2006, 02:20 PM
I don't think I can make this one, but please keep me posted of future meetings and events. I was born and raised here. I am not ready to give up just yet.

Lion_dog
February 16, 2006, 03:16 PM
I don't think I can make this one, but please keep me posted of future meetings and events. I was born and raised here. I am not ready to give up just yet.

Will do Sharpdogs - in the mean time please visit our site - membership is Free.

http://www.njcsd.org (NJCSD)

newman32
February 16, 2006, 05:30 PM
This is good news! I'm looking forward to going!

Lion_dog
February 16, 2006, 05:49 PM
This is good news! I'm looking forward to going!

Looking forward to meeting you!

newman32
February 16, 2006, 09:42 PM
LD, after I posted here, I went over to your site and became a paying member. :)
I hate feeling like its a lost-cause here, and maybe it is....At least I feel like I'm doing the right thing by supporting the local groups - which is what NJ needs. I don't think the national groups really put much time into NJ - probably wrote us off as a loss.

Nathaniel Firethorn
February 17, 2006, 06:01 AM
Thanks, newman32. And welcome to the good fight.

- NF

MAUSER88
February 17, 2006, 11:04 AM
Anyone want to opine on their favored FFL's in North Jersey?
Anyone Shop at Caso's Gun-a-rama? Good? Bad?

Frank Caso is a stand up guy. First rate all the way.

Yes we here in NJ always get the bad rap when it comes to firearms. Yes we are the laughing stock of the Country when firearms are mentioned. I for one am sick and tired of it. But constant complaining from people saying it will never change hurts the worst.

So what to do. You have to start at the beginning. Right now IMHO the beginning is also the future. And that future IS the NJCSD. The NRA is a wonderful organization but what have they done for OUR state in the last 15 years? Yes, I've been an NRA member since 1973 and will continue to support them. However the NJCSD is 100% for NJ. It's a wothwhile group of members willing to take the fight to the lawmakers of NJ.

That's how we stand a chance of changing things in our state. If you can't make the meeting then at the very least join the web site. Or at least make a donation. Give up that six pack on the weekend. They are not asking for much and we all can potentially reap the benefits if we can make the NJCSD a success.

I'm proud to see the dedication that LD has shown since joining in Aug. If we only had 100 more just like him the anti's wouldn't stand a chance!!!! So please send a few dollars to an organization that has YOUR best interests at heart.

Way to go Lion_Dog, I salute you Sir!

Highland Ranger
February 17, 2006, 11:43 AM
In central and Northern NJ:

Ray's - a little patchy with the counter help. Sometimes you'll get a good guy; last time I was there I got someone who couldn't be bothered. Bubba tactical rifles, hunting shotguns, and lots of handguns

Effingers - nice for fancy shotguns, Browning of all sorts and a small selection of pistols

Meltzers - nice guys great handgun selection and decent long gun selection

Ramsey's - several locations, not my favorite store, haven't been there in years. Don't know that I ever had a real pleasant experience there

When Cabelas moves into Paramus I'm afraid we'll loose many of them.

Nathaniel Firethorn
February 17, 2006, 12:34 PM
More southerly, on 130, Harry's Army-Navy and the Sportsmen's Center are both good. Slight edge to the Sportsmen's Center for customer service.

Also check out the Brick Armory on the shore. I bought a bunch of HK mags from them at the last NJCSD shoot I was able to make. Nice guys.

- NF

Nathaniel Firethorn
February 17, 2006, 12:36 PM
Cabela's is moving to Paramus? :what:

Oh, well, there goes the sales tax break... :(

- NF

Highland Ranger
February 17, 2006, 01:15 PM
Opening early next year:

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/community/aboutus/retail-detail.jsp?detailedInformationURL=..%2F..%2F..%2Fcontent%2Fcommunity%2Faboutus%2Fretail%2Fretail_stores%2Feastrutherford%2Ferutherford_press.html

Sharpdogs
February 17, 2006, 02:30 PM
Metzlers - never bought a gun from them, but I did buy a squirrel trap and some ammo. Great people to deal with. Harry's is a good place. I got a nice Security Six and a 10/22 for a steal of a deal.

Lesser know but great guys Side by Side in Denville and Bates in North Haledon.

MinMAN
February 17, 2006, 09:59 PM
MinMAN here saying hello,

I personally don't think we stand a chance with the current admin we got here in New Jersey. I'll help your org with a number and some money. The way I figure, it's better to stand for a worthy cause and maybe not win, than to let it go without a fight.

Other states are not immune to similar scrutiny at some point or other.
Our brothers from other states can be key to our success, and their future success in preserving our rights. The more support we get from around the country the better.

45Frank
February 18, 2006, 08:54 AM
THE X NEW JERSIAN

Been to both, Hary's seems to be more firearm friendly, after a purchase they sent you cards for awhile, Christmas or whatever. Bought some nice rifles at their yard sales good discounts.:)
Sportsmaen's center tried to buy a handgun there once they ran me thru the ringer, verify this then that it was into the second week this was down this one wasn't there to verify a price, told them to keep it after that a the guy who looked as though he just had a six pack and hadn't showered this year yet was rude as hell. Just reciently had a friend try to by a shot gun for his son went thru the samething. he after the second trip left it there. :banghead:

More southerly, on 130, Harry's Army-Navy and the Sportsmen's Center are both good. Slight edge to the Sportsmen's Center for customer service.
- NF

Lion_dog
February 18, 2006, 09:17 AM
Thank you Mauser88, for those fine words.

If I can opine on NNJ FFL's there are some really good ones (fair prices and good service - I never reward high prices and insultingly high prices).

My personal favorite is (they are not relatives or business associates):

Bates Paterson Rod & Gun
845 Belmont Avenue
North Haledon, NJ 07508
(973) 427-5258

If you like I will meet you there and personally introduce you as "family".

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Kodiaz
February 18, 2006, 09:30 AM
I have yet to see legal firearms owners that are not productive members of society. Why don't you guys cmon down to Fl. No state income tax. No Firearms I.D. to go begging the local police for. No I.D. for buying ammo. Ammo is sold at walmart and you can mail order it here. No snow(I still hate snow), winter lasts a whole two weeks. Screw New Jersey leave let the liberals pay for their socialist agenda and live free somewhere else.

Lion_dog
February 18, 2006, 09:43 AM
I have yet to see legal firearms owners that are not productive members of society. Why don't you guys cmon down to Fl. No state income tax. No Firearms I.D. to go begging the local police for. No I.D. for buying ammo. Ammo is sold at walmart and you can mail order it here. No snow(I still hate snow), winter lasts a whole two weeks. Screw New Jersey leave let the liberals pay for their socialist agenda and live free somewhere else.

It is NOT time for me to retire or the very productive Mrs. - still have most ties here. We were looking at the 4-Corner states.

Even when I leave I'll still be supporting NJ fight against the corrupt Sheit in this state.

Corswine slates a 2 BILLION dollar increase in EDUCATION spending for NJ which already has enough budgetary woes. SO WHO does he put in to do the "feasibility study" for doling this money out??? The PRESIDENT of the NJ Teachers' Union!!! Teachers deliver the vote and Corswine quid pro quo's with 2 BILLION dollars for their role in teaching!!! And no one in NJ thinks this is CORRUPT - jeez, WAKE UP!!!!

MinMAN
February 18, 2006, 09:46 AM
I have yet to see legal firearms owners that are not productive members of society. Why don't you guys cmon down to Fl. No state income tax. No Firearms I.D. to go begging the local police for. No I.D. for buying ammo. Ammo is sold at walmart and you can mail order it here. No snow(I still hate snow), winter lasts a whole two weeks. Screw New Jersey leave let the liberals pay for their socialist agenda and live free somewhere else.

I love the change of season. I lived in Houston, where the climate is similar to places in Florida. I don't appreciate the extended heat that much. Not to mention the floods. I wondered what the hell I was doing down there, driving my Tahoe through water raised over my hood. Thankfully enough, I was "Yankee enough" to have the brains to buy a house at the top of one of the few hills they had over there, and not in a flood zone. Point being, pick your own "paradise". One man's paradise, is another man's hell.

Fellow New Jersy-ans fought hard to kick the ???? out of the Britts during our revolution. The base bloodline of the original New Jerseyians are not a majority anymore. WE are still here, and can only put up with so much, before we eventually take our state back.

Kodiaz
February 18, 2006, 10:01 AM
Well I just wanted to give you fellows a good natured ribbing. 2 Billion dollar increase. So what is the total spent on education there. Harvard must be filled with students from NJ with all that money being spent on it. People must be reading poetry on the bus. And discussing calculus over lunch.


Well gentlemen have a nice day. I still have family there. So good luck.

MinMAN
February 18, 2006, 10:23 AM
Gentleman, I am not known for posting in the political section. This thread warranted my response, since the place where I live, is near and dear to my family and myself. I have read many post in the nature of bashing New Jersey. I think that approach does not weigh favorably to some of the now minority of us having our Second Amendment rights as Americans infringed on. I though this thread was about more for good the cause, than the bashing.

Sorry for the rant.

Lion_dog
February 18, 2006, 10:41 AM
Gentleman, I am not known for posting in the political section. This thread warranted my response, since the place where I live, is near and dear to my family and myself. I have read many post in the nature of bashing New Jersey. I think that approach does not weigh favorably to some of the now minority of us having our Second Amendment rights as Americans infringed on. I though this thread was about more for good the cause, than the bashing.

Sorry for the rant.

Former NJ residents please come to our aid - support US. We need you at our backs, on our 6, as it were. You having the "good life" (read in a free/r state not necessarily living extravagently) should be in a position to help. Think of it as ONE range trip expenditures (average $35.00) invested for the future of firearms ownership - become donating members. The quicker we could all put our little/PETTY differences aside the STRONGER WE ALL BECOME!

MinMAN
February 18, 2006, 11:58 AM
Give no state or ground up. To do so, is a sign of weakness and promise of future victorys to the adversary.

Nathaniel Firethorn
February 18, 2006, 12:31 PM
MinMAN, we need more men like you. In New Jersey and elsewhere.

Matter of fact, I believe I have a new sig line.

- NF

MinMAN
February 18, 2006, 12:55 PM
Thanks for the compliment Nathan. However, I and others, feel this should be normal behavior in response to such ignorance.

What you put in your signature, is something I believe, and try my best to live by, though you put it in better wording.;)
My signature is RGS, which simply means "Real Good Shooting".;)

It's been fun.:D

Hotrods
February 18, 2006, 01:20 PM
Found this site through FivePakNH's Free Speech forum. Soooooo.... I registered for this site and as a concerned NJ resident just joined up with NJCSD too. We have to do something about the way the government is going in Trenton and all the gun grabbing talk again. I've been involved in the fisheries side of dealing with the state for a few years,while not exactly the same degree of threat to persnal freedoms, NJ has to be one of the most screwed up states to be a sportsman in. I'll stand my ground and do what I can as a patriot and loyal citizen to help protect our rights. Nice to be aboard.

MinMAN
February 18, 2006, 01:42 PM
Well I can't properly welcome you to THR properly, since I'm a new member too. I can welcome you to the New Jersey peanut army, what amounts to whats left of the true Minutemen. We are fighting a truly degenerate adversary, whom has control over our legislature. Our own New Jersey judicial system ignores the ruling passed by the United States Congress to uphold no plaintiffs rulings in regard "false liability/frivolous lawsuits" which in spite of that Congressional law, NJ continues illegally. They still allow false and frivolous suites be filed on various firearms manufacturers.

If we do nothing, this state will be a short-dicked liberal breading ground for the spineless.

Rant!:cuss:

ambush
February 18, 2006, 07:35 PM
L-D,
I just thought to post notice of meeting over at NJHUNTERS.com. I took it upon myself to do so. There are a lot of folks online there now so maybe some will showup tomorrow.

PATH
February 19, 2006, 09:38 PM
Good luck in Jersey. Burnt earth is all you should give the antis! We must fight them everywhere and cede nothing to the enemies of freedom!:fire:

Lion_dog
February 20, 2006, 10:12 AM
Thank you all, especially the MODS, for helping us with pointing attention to NJ's Patriots and the good fight.

Fighting for OUR Founding Father's traditions and beliefs will all help us to sit at the right hand of the Almighty some day, I believe.

I will post updates on our activities as we progress.

Please keep us in you heart and minds (donations are welcome), we are here doing the rrrrright thing and taking the HIGH ROAD.



Edit: grammar/sp.

P95Carry
February 20, 2006, 12:01 PM
Lion - I am glad to see some good responses and wish you guys all the success possible.

In many ways you are climbing the down escalator but even that can work.

I'll ''de-stick'' this now as we do not want too many stickies all the time - however if later there are updates of particular import then one of us can maybe stick again to enhance exposure - plus too all involved keep in touch thru PM and email.

Lion_dog
February 20, 2006, 11:57 PM
Once again, thank you. When the time comes again I'll reach out and ask for your HELP!

Best regards.


Lion - I am glad to see some good responses and wish you guys all the success possible.

In many ways you are climbing the down escalator but even that can work.

I'll ''de-stick'' this now as we do not want too many stickies all the time - however if later there are updates of particular import then one of us can maybe stick again to enhance exposure - plus too all involved keep in touch thru PM and email.

45Frank
February 23, 2006, 07:44 PM
Well how long do you think it will take for the dishonorable Corzine to sign Bill 812. :mad: Just think how many new criminals there will be in Nj then he can arrest you and say see I arrested a million criminals over night. Then maybe he'll run for El Presidente. :banghead:
Sory but I had too!

MinMAN
February 24, 2006, 07:32 AM
Not any time soon.:evil:

Lion_dog
February 24, 2006, 09:06 AM
Well how long do you think it will take for the dishonorable Corzine to sign Bill 812. :mad: Just think how many new criminals there will be in Nj then he can arrest you and say see I arrested a million criminals over night. Then maybe he'll run for El Presidente. :banghead:
Sory but I had too!


Say Frank!!! What is this??? Some good common sense from a NJ legislator???

The "New Jersey Self-Defense Law." (A134)

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This proposed bill seems to be right up our alley.



Quote:
This bill, the "New Jersey Self-Defense Law," authorizes a person to use force, including deadly force, against an intruder or attacker in a dwelling, residence or occupied vehicle in those instances where the actor reasonably fears imminent peril of death or serious bodily harm.

The bill sets forth the circumstances under which a person is presumed to have a reasonable fear of imminent period of death or serious bodily harm. Those circumstance include instances where a person: (1) is in the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering a dwelling, residence or occupied vehicle; (2) has unlawfully and forcibly entered a dwelling, residence or occupied vehicle; or (3) has removed, or is attempting to remove, another against that person's will from a dwelling, residence or occupied vehicle; or (4) when the actor knows or reasonably believes that an unlawful and forcible entry is occurring or has occurred; or (5) when the actor knows or reasonably believes that an unlawful and forcible act is occurring or has occurred.

The bill clarifies that a person has no duty to retreat before justifiably using force in instances where that person is attacked, reasonably fears imminent peril of death or serious bodily harm to himself or to prevent death or serious bodily harm to another.

Finally, the bill provides immunity, both criminal and civil, for any person who is justified in using force. Under the bill, the court is authorized to award reasonable attorney's fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income and all expenses incurred by a defendant who is wrongly subject to a civil action.


1/10/2006 Introduced by Richard A. Merkt, Referred to Assembly Law and Public Safety Committee

http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2006/Bi...500/134_I1.HTM

http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2006/Bi...500/134_I1.PDF

http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/bills/BillView.asp
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Thanks to Demeroma for the INFO.

Kodiaz
February 24, 2006, 07:25 PM
"Blood will be running in the streets" good luck guys

Highland Ranger
November 26, 2006, 03:08 PM
How is the NJCSD going?

My brother was at an ANJRPC Florida registration event and mentioned you guys were there . . . . what's new?

Lion_dog
November 26, 2006, 03:17 PM
Don't know actually. I've stepped down in my role. Perhaps you should visit the njcsd.org site.

statelineblues
November 26, 2006, 03:20 PM
I'd be interested to hear as well (even tho it looks like I'll be leaving in a month after doing my time here - 18 years!). Would always support RKBA efforts in NJ, no matter how futile (should I change my THR name to Don Quiote? ;) )

statelineblues
November 26, 2006, 03:23 PM
Thanks for the effort, Lion_Dog! Hopefully you woke up a few people around the state!

Lion_dog
November 26, 2006, 03:27 PM
Good luck and God Bless, NJ will miss you.

CDignition
November 26, 2006, 03:49 PM
I grew up in Outer Trenton Suburbs... I hated it there...

when I was a kid, we would go shooting right in my backyard...actually to look back on it, im surprised we got away with it...we lived in a development, but we had undeveloped woods right behind us...

All we shot was .22 rifles, so they were pretty quiet...but the neighbors didnt ever call the fuzz on me..and I was 10 years old when we started...my mother started fights will every neighbor we had, so im surprised we never had trouble...I had to have shot 20 bricks of .22 LR back then in my backyard,lol...it would never happen these days.

I now live in the free state of Florida..been here going on 15 years, and carrying a gun for 14 years...

Although I do see the positives if everyone stood up for NJ rights, I have my own things to work on here where I live, and thats my main concentration...and honestly, that state is lost...

When I was about 15, Pennsylvania put up signs at the border of I95 heading to Philly.. it says "America Starts Here"..lol.. and so true it is... (Although Philly is another story,lol)

newman32
November 26, 2006, 04:58 PM
Interesting to see this thread pop up again!

Not a mouthpiece...only a member.

The FL registration events are NJCSD ideas that have been great successes so far! NJCSD pretty much does the organizing, provides the volunteers and figures out the logistics, while the ANJRPC provides the facilities, so its a great partnership.

Check out the website to read or even sign up if you're interested. :)
www.njcsd.org

Highland Ranger
November 27, 2006, 06:41 PM
Don't know actually. I've stepped down in my role. Perhaps you should visit the njcsd.org site.

I did - not much info there.

Any reason why you stepped down?

Lion_dog
November 27, 2006, 07:07 PM
Reasons: Personal and Business issues superceded.

If you don't see what you want, there should be a number to call for a LIVE exchange.

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