G18 or 93R as CCW?


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Kamicosmos
April 13, 2003, 02:26 PM
Here's something that popped in my head after some heavy Rogue Shield action. (My sidearm on a particular mission was a full auto Scorpion)

So here's my somewhat in jest question:

If one had the means to procure a Glock 18 or a Beretta 93R, what would the legality (in general) be of carrying it as a CCW?
(Let's not get into the practicality of carrying one of these here, ok?)

MO doesn't have any CCW laws currently, but does any state that does specifically prohibit the use of a 'Machine Pistol' as a CCW? Or are they classified as something that would not allow them to be carried concealed?

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Don Gwinn
April 13, 2003, 02:35 PM
I doubt it ever occurred to anyone to outlaw it. I'm sure it would be legal as long as you had the paperwork to own it in the first place. What does a G18 or 93R old enough for a peasant to own cost, anyway?

Heck, I'm a bad enough shot as it is. :D

Tamara
April 13, 2003, 02:38 PM
Are there any transferrable G18's? I seem to recall that there are a handful of transferrable 93R's, and they trade in the mid-$30k range.

Personally, I see these things as fairly narrow-focus guns; I don't think I'd tote one even if I could.

blades67
April 13, 2003, 02:42 PM
I believe that Arizona, Florida and Texas CCW laws prohibit Class III weapons.

I'd rather have a G18 though.:evil:

CleverNickname
April 13, 2003, 05:12 PM
There can't be any transferrable G18s, as to be transferrable they'd have to have been imported prior to the 1968 GCA. There may be a few pre-May G18s, dunno. Any transferrable full-auto Glocks would be converted G17s.

Texas CHL laws don't prohibit carry of machineguns. In fact, you can carry an NFA-registered gun without a CHL. CHL only covers handguns, and while a G18 or 93R may look like a handgun, it's not, legally speaking.

FL law does prohibit carry of full-auto weapons. Not sure about AZ.

I don't think I'd carry a full-auto handgun, as I'd be concerned about where each of the bullets goes. Much harder to do on full-auto. Plus, you're going to use up ammo a lot faster. I don't ever carry more than ~30 rounds of ammo. Of course, I suppose you could get some of those 31 round G18 magazines, but what carry method would you use where the extra-long magazine wouldn't print? And if you ever had to use it in a defensive situation, the last thing I'd want would be the police to take my $20k gun as evidence. I'll stick with my $500 semi-auto Glock, thanks.

Tamara
April 13, 2003, 05:44 PM
Good point. All these rational categories (transferrable, C&R, pre-sample, post-sample) confuse the heck out of me.

Too bad we can't just go back to the only gun law that makes any sense: "Don't shoot folks unless you can prove they needed shootin'." ;)

Hkmp5sd
April 13, 2003, 06:40 PM
I believe that Arizona, Florida and Texas CCW laws prohibit Class III weapons.

Only machineguns. If you really want to, you can carry an AOW/SBR or suppressed handgun.

My choice is the G18.

David Park
April 13, 2003, 06:50 PM
Virginia also prohibits full-auto CCW, but suppressed handguns are OK.

Since open carry is legal, theoretically full-auto open carry would also be legal, but I haven't researched it.

CleverNickname
April 13, 2003, 07:11 PM
Good point. All these rational categories (transferrable, C&R, pre-sample, post-sample) confuse the heck out of me.

/Hijack

It's fairly straightforward...

Transferrable: a US-made machinegun registered before the 1986 FOPA ban, or a foreign-made machinegun imported before the 1968 GCA. Most pricey of the three.

Pre-May 1986 dealer sample: foreign-made machinegun that was imported after the 1968 GCA. Only dealers and law enforcement may own these. Dealers may own them after they give up their license, so they command a premium over the final category, which is...

Post-May 1986: any machinegun, either foreign or domestically made, which was registered after the 1986 FOPA. Dealers can own them if they get a 'love letter' from an LEO that says the dealer is going to demo the gun. Obviously LE can own them. Dealers have to give them up or destroy post-samples before they give up their license.

It doesn't matter when the gun was made, just when the gun was registered. For example, I read an article once about some as-new Thompsons that had been discovered in Kosovo a couple years ago. Apparently they were air-dropped to partisans during WWII (?), but were never used. They could have been imported to the US, but they would have been post-samples because they hadn't been registered before 1986.

Wildalaska
April 13, 2003, 07:34 PM
Ive had the pleasure of letting a Glock 18 rip on several occasions. Fun but...well I wonder how the cops would react if you sprayed the baddy with 18 rounds...

WildcanyousayindictmentAlaska

George Hill
April 13, 2003, 08:12 PM
I'd rather take a regular Glock, have it converted with one of those full auto kits out there... and save the several thousands of dollars to put to things like lots and lots of freaking ammo.


Oh, and RAVEN SHIELD ROCKS!!!!

Best Rifle in the game - The FAL with a suppressor.

cool45auto
April 13, 2003, 08:41 PM
I would love to have a 93R but if its 30k(:what: ) I'll stick to seeing it in the movies. That thing would give 'spray and pray' a whole new meaning.:D

LiquidTension
April 13, 2003, 10:24 PM
Why do I have to choose? I have two hands.

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