Now, what do you mean "condition 3"?...


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doublebarrel
February 13, 2006, 01:48 PM
I thought cocked and locked is condition 1. Uncocked and chamber loaded is 2, unloaded chamber with loaded mag inside is 3, and unloaded plus mag out is 4. Here's a page where a guy already got a couple of XDs asking question whether Xd's grip safety would make it safer than a DA revolver(I think it would, in theory at least. Since just pulling the trigger without the grip safety properly depressed, no matter how hard you pull you can't fire the gun, but may damage the internals. On a DA revolver, it'll go bang). The "expert" here gave a rundown of the 1911 "condition"s(an XD can't have any other condition but 0, as it's cocked but unlocked, with a grip safety yet it's still safer than a Glock. The trigger pull is designed to be longish and heavish to mimic that of a DA pistol). He said:

Keeping a round in the chamber but not cocked is called condition 2. When also cocked, it is condition 3 (also called cocked and locked). Condition 3 is considered safe by most experts when used with a 1911 style gun (one with a lever safety and also a grip safety). Condition 2, with a round in the chamber but not cocked, is normally not recommended, because an accidental discharge is possible if it is dropped to sufficiently move the hammer back and then the hammer falls onto the firing pin.

Hope this helps!


:neener:

Link (http://experts.about.com/q/Guns-Firearms-Projectile-1501/Carrying-Auto-Pistol-round.htm)

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1911Tuner
February 13, 2006, 02:17 PM
To see what condition my condition was in...:D
C-0...Cocked and unlocked...hot chamber.
C-1...Cocked and locked...hot chamber.
C-2...Hammer down...hot chamber.
C-3...Hammer down...empty chamber.
C-4...Empty chamber/Empty or no magazine, slide in battery.
C-5...Empty gun, magazine out, slide locked to the rear. Cleared weapon.

Technosavant
February 13, 2006, 02:53 PM
A few more... :D

C-6 Field stripped for cleaning
C-6.5 Field stripped for cleaning, launched recoil spring plug across room
C-7 Detail stripped for cleaning
C-8 Sent to manufacturer or gunsmith for repair/upgrades
C-9 Left at home... oops
C-10 Money in hand, heading to gunstore to purchase
C-11 Wife won't let you buy one
C-11.5 Pleading with wife, flowers and chocolate in hand
C-12 Just sold it, wishing you hadn't

crazed_ss
February 14, 2006, 08:18 AM
To see what condition my condition was in...:D
C-0...Cocked and unlocked...hot chamber.
C-1...Cocked and locked...hot chamber.
C-2...Hammer down...hot chamber.
C-3...Hammer down...empty chamber.
C-4...Empty chamber/Empty or no magazine, slide in battery.
C-5...Empty gun, magazine out, slide locked to the rear. Cleared weapon.

I'm not too familiar with the operation of 1911 pistols.

How can you have a loaded chamber in a 1911 with the hammer down?
Doesnt racking the slide to chamber a round cock the hammer?
To lower the hammer, wouldnt you have to then pull the trigger and ease the hammer down?
Is this generally considered unsafe?

whm1974
February 14, 2006, 08:37 AM
Is this generally considered unsafe?

Yes. you could have an AD in the process of lowering the hammer.

-Bill

1911Tuner
February 14, 2006, 09:08 AM
Yes. you could have an AD in the process of lowering the hammer.

-Bill

If ya don't know how...;)

Hey! It's a gun. It's NOT safe...

Jim Watson
February 14, 2006, 09:49 AM
Jan Stevenson once carried the chart a step farther, based on actual observation of German police in the 1960s, pre Bader-Meinhoff Gang.
Walther PP .32ACP, magazine loaded, chamber empty, decocked, safety on; in a flap holster with the flap strap buckeled down.
Condition 13.

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