Chinese &Other countries Stealing or Buying US made military eqipment?


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Gun_nut
February 13, 2006, 11:27 PM
I hear that china and some other countries were stealing or buying off military equipment From Us the U.S. and that seems like fightin word to me.. :mad: http://www.cnn.com/
on Cnn go to pipe line and look for 'Tracking military Technology' if its there or do a search it very interesting...

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BigRobT
February 13, 2006, 11:43 PM
I hate to keep revisiting the past, but you can thank Bill Clinton for allowing China to have advanced technology. At this point, it would be political suicide for the US to attempt to end it as we need China on our side to keep N Korea in check. This is something that has concerned me for a few years.

telomerase
February 13, 2006, 11:53 PM
Actually, US companies use Russian technology (http://http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Sea_Launch_ReStarts_Countdown_For_Echostar_X_Launch.html)when they're paying for their own launches. There's nothing very special about "US technology" anymore.

What should concern us is that the US government systematically GIVES money and technology (e.g. North Korea's reactors) to dictatorships and oligarchies around the world. That's a totally different problem... but it's our fault for not controlling our own government. Can't blame it on Chinese, Nauruans, or Clinton (unless you think Clinton is FORCING Bush to keep up these programs?)

Double Naught Spy
February 14, 2006, 02:03 AM
I hear that china and some other countries were stealing or buying off military equipment From Us the U.S. and that seems like fightin word to me.. :mad: http://www.cnn.com/
on Cnn go to pipe line and look for 'Tracking military Technology' if its there or do a search it very interesting...

Apparently pipeline is a paid feature of CNN and I didn't pay.

Yes, China does get some American made arms and/military gear. A bunch is purchased from the US itself. So who are you going to fight?

http://www.uwmc.uwc.edu/political_science/MIIIE/catalogcover.htm

C130 Hercules (US sold)
UH-60 Blackhawk med transport helicopters (US sold)

DF-31 - ICBM with MIRV (technology purchased or stolen)

C4 (Command, Control, Communications, and Computers) Technology purchased from US, includes encryption.

LAK
February 14, 2006, 04:55 AM
This is old news. As is that those responsible for this treason - and those that are complicit even after the fact - are never indicted, tried and punished.
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Lucky
February 14, 2006, 06:05 AM
Gun nut could you post the article? International relations stuff is interesting.

All I know about is some precision aircraft tooling macines one of the big American aircraft producers requested permission to sell to China. I think it was MD, but not sure. The end use had to be specified, because these tools were too capable. China said they would be used to make civilian aircraft parts, innocently. When they arrived in China, they never even pretended to keep their word, they went straight to a missile-making factory.

Gun_nut
February 14, 2006, 10:00 AM
Chinese nationals held in alleged scheme to steal U.S. Navy technology

06:33 2005-11-08
A federal judge on Monday ordered two Chinese nationals held without bail on charges of stealing sensitive documents on U.S. Navy warship technology and trying to smuggle them to China.

Tai Wang Mak, a broadcast and engineering director for the Phoenix North American Chinese Channel, and his wife, Fuk Heung Li, allegedly conspired to take an encrypted disk full of information on U.S. submarine technology to Guangzhou, China. They were arrested at Los Angeles International Airport on Oct. 28 as they boarded a plane to China.

The disk was found in Li's luggage along with women's clothing and one man's outfit, said Assistant U.S. Attorney Deirdre Eliot.

In recorded conversations leading up to the arrest, the couple discussed how to transport the information and Mak reassured his wife after she said she was scared to participate in the alleged scheme, Eliot said.

The disk allegedly included information on a type of submarine technology called quiet electric drive, which is used to suppress noise from a submarine's propulsion system.

John Earley, Mak's attorney, said nothing proved that information on the disk was classified and accused the government of making sweeping generalizations about the files.

"Mak has not been charged with espionage. I didn't hear the word classified or semi-classified in any of that information," Earley said.

Last week, Mak's brother, Chi Mak, a naturalized U.S. citizen from China, and his wife, Rebecca Laiwah Chiu, an American of Chinese descent, also were charged in the case.

Chi Mak, who also has been held without bail, allegedly took computer disks from defense contractor Power Paragon in Anaheim, California, where he was lead engineer on a sensitive research project involving propulsion systems for Navy warships. His wife helped copy the information onto CDs, authorities said. Her bond has been set at $300,000 (-253,721, AP reported.
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Heres news not from Cnn though Its from http://newsfromrussian.com/usa/2005/11/08/67180.html

WT
February 14, 2006, 11:25 AM
General Motors, Ford, Dupont, Boeing, and General Electric are investing BILLIONS of $ in China. China really doesn't have to steal anything. We are GIVING the technology to them. China will get it anyway if they are patient.

Biker
February 14, 2006, 12:07 PM
China, if anything, is very patient.
Biker

engineer151515
February 14, 2006, 12:27 PM
China, if anything, is very patient.
Biker


Indeed.

Their reverse engineering programs have over the decades generated both technology leaps and dismal disappointments. Same could be said for the Cold War USSR.


Asian philosophy has long dictated not to fight your opponets greatest strengths, but to attack their greatest weaknesses. Japan's development of the Long Lance torpedo in the late 1930's recognized the US Navy as their primary adversary. Although treaties prevented building enough ships for gunnery duels one-on-one, the plan was to even the odds by aiming very-long range torpedos at that fine line of battleships. When the US first encountered them (Battle of the Java Sea), we thought we had run into a minefield and did not initially recognize a torpedo attack! Same applied to Japanese aircraft development.

Perhaps that is off point - but China today recognizes that their military technology is roughly 10 years behind and may take 20+ years to actually overtake US technology. But if war breaks out, US v/s China, you won't see nuclear carriers v/s nuclear carriers. The US will be bringing our "traditional" technology - that which we have openly displayed during two Iraqi wars, against simpler technologies specifically designed to defeat them (missles - lots of missles). Displaying our wares is a espionage bonanza.

For example, I remember reading about Chinese interest in tests with concrete submarines. Yup - sounds crazy doesn't it. Except for the fact that these machines are simple, designed for great pressures, and are designed to sit on the seabottom (where depths permit) and imitate a rock. You can be virtually undetectable sitting on the ocean floor like a quiet stone. Strategically place them in straits/waterways where it is likely US forces will pass (not hard to predict if you are invading Taiwan). Wait for the carriers to pass overhead. Launch your (nuclear?) attack. One cheap sub thusly obliterates one powerful and expensive nuclear carrier.

Gun_nut
February 14, 2006, 09:59 PM
i found the video off CNN to were i can e-mail it to somone. If you pm me you e-mail i could e-mail you the video of military technology

IndianaDean
February 14, 2006, 10:11 PM
Why would China stealing anything from us be a surprise to anyone? They're still our major nemesis in my opinion, and we shouldn't be buying all their garbage and selling off our industries to them.

LAK
February 15, 2006, 06:01 AM
For example, I remember reading about Chinese interest in tests with concrete submarines. Yup - sounds crazy doesn't it. Except for the fact that these machines are simple, designed for great pressures, and are designed to sit on the seabottom (where depths permit) and imitate a rock.
Not crazy; everything from yacht to ship hulls can and have been made from concrete. Properly constructed they work very well and are exceptionally strong.
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slzy
February 16, 2006, 12:41 AM
once again,as lenin was fond of sayin"the capitalists will sell us the very rope with which we hang them"

Gun_nut
February 16, 2006, 10:13 PM
once again,as lenin was fond of sayin"the capitalists will sell us the very rope with which we hang them"

thats something i need to remember.....for future referances...:)

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