UW Student Senate rejects memorial for Pappy Boyington


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Father Knows Best
February 14, 2006, 03:32 PM
From World Net Daily and linked on Fark.com:
Students reject honor to 'Baa Baa Black Sheep' hero
Member of Marines not 'sort of person UW wanted to produce'

Posted: February 14, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

The University of Washington's student senate rejected a memorial for alumnus Gregory "Pappy" Boyington of "Black Sheep Squadron" fame amid concerns a military hero who shot down enemy planes was not the right kind of person to represent the school.

Student senator Jill Edwards, according to minutes of the student government's meeting last week, said she "didn't believe a member of the Marine Corps was an example of the sort of person UW wanted to produce."

Ashley Miller, another senator, argued "many monuments at UW already commemorate rich white men."

Senate member Karl Smith amended the resolution to eliminate a clause that said Boyington "was credited with destroying 26 enemy aircraft, tying the record for most aircraft destroyed by a pilot in American Uniform," for which he was awarded the Navy Cross.

Smith, according to the minutes, said "the resolution should commend Colonel Boyington's service, not his killing of others."

The senate's decision was reported first by Seattle radio talk-host Kirby Wilbur of KVI, whose listeners were "absolutely incensed," according to producer Matt Haver.

Brent Ludeman, president of the university's College Republicans, told WND in an e-mail the decision "reflects poorly on the university."

"Pappy Boyington went beyond the call of duty to serve and protect this country – he simply deserves better," Ludeman said. "Just last year, the university erected a memorial to diversity. Why can't we do the same for Pappy Boyington and others who have defended our country?"

The resolution points out Boyington, a student at the UW from 1930-34, served as a combat pilot in the 1st Squadron, American Volunteer Group – the "Flying Tigers of China" – and later as a Marine Corps combat pilot in charge of Marine Fighting Squadron 214, "The Black Sheep Squadron."

Along with the Navy Cross, Boyington was awarded the Medal of Honor by President Franklin D. Roosevelt for his heroism. He was shot down and spent 20 months in a Japanese prisoner-of-war camp.

The resolution says, "Be it resolved … [t]hat we consider Col. Gregory Boyington, United States Marine Corps, to be a prime example of the excellence that this university represents and strives to impart upon its students, and, That we desire for a memorial for Col. Boyington be commenced by the University of Washington by 11 January 2008, the twentieth anniversary of his death, which will be publicly displayed, so that all who come here in future years will know that the University of Washington produced one of this country's bravest men, and that we as a community hold this fact in the highest esteem."

Commenting on the decision, a blogger who says he met Boyington on numerous occasions at a museum and air show over the years noted the famous flyer "was no rich boy," having grown up in a struggling family in which he was forced to work hard to make it through school. The blogger, who hosts the website Paradosis, also pointed out Boyington was part Sioux.

Boyington was open about his marital problems and alcohol abuse, saying notably, "Just name a hero and I'll prove he's a bum."

The blogger wondered, "have our Washington youth revised history so much as this? To compare Boyington – or for that matter any of our WW2 vets – to murderers? What are these kids being taught today? They don't deserve those 20 months Pappy spent being tortured and beaten in a Japanese prison camp ... they don't deserve any of what our grandfathers and grandmothers sacrificed to free Europe and the Pacific."

Boyington wrote a book in 1958 that reached the best-seller list, "Baa Baa, Black Sheep." In 1976, he sold rights to Universal, which aired a TV series for two seasons of the same name.

Boyington, who died Jan. 11, 1988, is buried in Arlington National Cemetery.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48808

Grrrrrr ... :fire:

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SMLE
February 14, 2006, 03:36 PM
I say we call in Marine Air and level UW! :cuss: :cuss: :cuss:

KriegHund
February 14, 2006, 03:37 PM
A war hero is not the kind of person...they want to produce...

What a depressing non-christian-god forsaken day (to keep from offending anyone out there :rolleyes: )

hillbilly
February 14, 2006, 03:37 PM
Here are the actual UW Student Senate minutes.

It makes for entertaining reading.


http://senate.asuw.org/secretary/minutes/senate/12/02-07-2006.pdf

CajunBass
February 14, 2006, 03:41 PM
Shoot. Probably just as well. "Pappy" probably wouldn't admit he went to school there, anymore.

The-Fly
February 14, 2006, 03:41 PM
kids for you. Too much socialist leftist thinking, not enough exposure to the real world.

Father Knows Best
February 14, 2006, 03:41 PM
I say we call in Marine Air and level UW! :cuss: :cuss: :cuss:

I wouldn't go that far. I do believe in accountability, however. Consider this:
Student senator Jill Edwards, according to minutes of the student government's meeting last week, said she "didn't believe a member of the Marine Corps was an example of the sort of person UW wanted to produce."

Ashley Miller, another senator, argued "many monuments at UW already commemorate rich white men."

Congratulations to Ms. Jill Edwards and Ms. Ashley Miller of the University of Washington! You are the first inductees to FKB's "Hall of Shame" and perpetual blacklist. I hope that someday you need something from me. You'll get a lesson in honor and respect, and not much else....

Mulliga
February 14, 2006, 03:58 PM
Holy schlamoly. While I do have some experience with college student governments (and the idiotic things they do on a regular basis), I never thought I'd see the day when a Marine who served in WWII and was awarded the freaking Medal of Honor (those students do understand the kind of valor that requires, right? :banghead: ) was denied a small memorial in appreciation of his service.

Herself
February 14, 2006, 04:00 PM
Greg Boyington, a "rich white man?" Do they know what Chenault and the USMC paid during his days as a fighter pilot? ("Promises" and "not very much," respectively).

Oh, help me! The man was a drunk. He dealt with it pretty well and wasn't especially reluctant about admitting it; but among other things, that meant he never got very far ahead, financially.

I have always been impressed at how much he managed to achieve in spite of his struggles with alcohol. Aside from drinking to excess, that man was my kind of stupid.

Shortsighted college kids can't see past his skin color. And they got that wrong.

--H

YellowLab
February 14, 2006, 04:01 PM
:fire: :cuss: :fire: :cuss: :fire: :cuss: :fire: :cuss: :fire: :cuss:

Offensive comment deleted
:fire: :cuss: :fire: :cuss: :fire: :cuss: :fire: :cuss: :fire: :cuss:

ambush
February 14, 2006, 04:02 PM
"in a handbasket I'll tell ya, in a handbasket"

kwelz
February 14, 2006, 04:09 PM
:fire: :cuss: :fire: :cuss: :fire: :cuss: :fire: :cuss: :fire: :cuss:

Offensive comment deleted
:fire: :cuss: :fire: :cuss: :fire: :cuss: :fire: :cuss: :fire: :cuss:

When did we start linking off to The Low Road.
Whatever you feelings on this topic, and they are probably about the same as mine. There was no calling whatsoever for comments like that. This is the High road, we are above acting like this.

UWstudent
February 14, 2006, 04:09 PM
kids for you. Too much socialist leftist thinking, not enough exposure to the real world.


he said it perfectly above..

by the way, this decision by the UW senate does not reflect my personal thoughts and opinions.. the senate is composed by almost 100% leftist student body, which do not want to exhibit any sort of war related memorials or whatever..

i wish it were more evenly distributed

SMLE
February 14, 2006, 04:12 PM
Let's all chip in for a giant portrait of Pappy and have it placed in the UW student senate chambers! :evil:

Then find out what streets Ms. Edwards and Ms. Miller live on and get them renamed "Boyington Blvd." or "Black Sheep Lane"! :evil:

KAR120C
February 14, 2006, 04:14 PM
Presumably this is a least partially an over reaction to Iraq, by these idiots. They think if they lash out against a past event it will somehow magically achieve what they want in the future. I wonder if their next strategies include holding their breath, and "not being your best friend anymore". When did they start admitting three year olds to college anyway?

Would that they could spend one week in a Japanese POW camp. Getting hit with a larger clue stick than that I cannot imagine.

I suppose it is too much to hope that at one point in their pathetic self centered little lives they eventually learn the truth about the Japanese government that the GIs were fighting against, e.g.
- They massacred civilians in the 100,000's, if not millions. And we aren't talking slowly starved to death, or collateral damage, we're talking writhing on the end of a bayonnet, or falling decapitated into a pile of bodies.
- They forced countless conquered females to be sex slaves.
- They performed biological experiments equal to anything the Nazi's did.
- They practiced cannibalism on murdered POWs.
- They planned to sacrifice their entire civilian population by sending them to fight the Americans, armed with bamboo spears.

grimjaw
February 14, 2006, 04:19 PM
It's a political body going back and forth about revisionist history. This kind of thing happens all the time. A few of the members objected to the wording of the memorial. One made disparaging comments about the military and/or members of the military, and another made a racist/classist comment about 'rich white men.' If the student body doesn't vote them off when they're up for reelection, oh well.

I wonder if this is the kind of thing that young politicians engage in.

jmm

PlayboyPenguin
February 14, 2006, 04:20 PM
A war hero is not the kind of person...they want to produce...

What a depressing non-christian-god forsaken day (to keep from offending anyone out there :rolleyes: )

I am a non-christian myself but would have to agree that this sucks. I defend their right to choose not to honor a war hero as the "type of person" that they want to promote but I would also like to see alot of people (including alumni) decide that UW is not the "type of school" they would like to attend or support in any way.:fire:

Yea!!, I actually got to use the fire emoticon for something.:D

dch1978
February 14, 2006, 04:30 PM
Remember, these are over-privaleged rich white girls, (most likely, didn't see a picture), they are now rebelling towards their father, (rich white guy), and want everything that he had to be taken from him.

I am at college, a little older than most students, and am appalled at what the 19 yr old female mind uses to describe all issues. Republicans = rich, white, slave owners, still today they own slaves, they are just kept quiet.

My folding pocket knife is too large (3"), for any practical use except to "stab someone in the heart."

I pray these people learn what the world can do them before they are killed. Some have absolutely no clue what can happen while walking home drunk on a college campus. But the problem there is that campus cops keep it pretty quiet.

I also hope that the alumni will pull financial support.

DCH

CAS700850
February 14, 2006, 04:45 PM
My friends, every time I begin to weep for the future of our country, given situations like this, i pause and go to the web pages for West Point, Annapolis, and the Air Force Academy. There, we see thousands of young people who still volunteer to serve their country and get a college education. Add to that the thousands of ROTC cadets around the country, and you'll see, as I do, that higher education and service to country are not mutually exclusive.

KriegHund
February 14, 2006, 05:04 PM
My friends, every time I begin to weep for the future of our country, given situations like this, i pause and go to the web pages for West Point, Annapolis, and the Air Force Academy. There, we see thousands of young people who still volunteer to serve their country and get a college education. Add to that the thousands of ROTC cadets around the country, and you'll see, as I do, that higher education and service to country are not mutually exclusive.

Im not a soldier, but that deserves a big Hoo Rah (or ooh rah? :))

Vex
February 14, 2006, 05:07 PM
In the announcements section at the end of the minutes, there is the following:


Hala Dillsi noted that GBLTC is having auditions for the drag show this week.

It was noted that tickets for the Vagina Monologues are currently available in the
HUB ticket office.

Jon Lee said Innocence Project Northwest is having a screening at the Burke
Museum regarding the death penalty.


I think it's safe to say we're dealing with a "far left extremist" group, here.

dracphelan
February 14, 2006, 05:35 PM
Thanks for the reminder of why I will probably never be able to return to college and get my masters and doctorate. I would never be able to keep my temper in check around these people.:banghead: :fire: :cuss:

HSMITH
February 14, 2006, 05:39 PM
These are the future leaders of our country, and a typical example of what the liberals in our educational system strive to produce. The bad news is they are starting on them in the elementary schools. Parents that hope to raise rational human beings have a tough chore these days.

Pappy Boyington is a NATIONAL HERO!!!!!!!!

MS .45
February 14, 2006, 05:48 PM
God help the United States. These idiots are our future politicians. They've no idea about true sacrifice and honor. This makes me mad and sad.

Polishrifleman
February 14, 2006, 05:54 PM
Being very local to the UW and having many friends that graduated from there I find it very alarming but can understand the type of individual that would be on student council.

There is a very large far eastern contingency that attends school there and for the PC crowd this is acceptable behavior to not stir a riot. Unfortunately many have forgotten what and who got us to where we are and what we have.

It gives me pleasure at this time (any many other times) to say I went to the other Pac 10 State University but who knows what WSU's student body has done since I graderated:D from that cow college in order to be PC or promote an agenda vs. doing what is right.

Koobuh
February 14, 2006, 06:00 PM
:rolleyes:
And people wonder why I chose to attend WSU...

Seriously, no surprise at all. Well, maybe a little, I would have figured the WWU student body to do something like this first. Weekly war protests and all.

Father Knows Best
February 14, 2006, 06:12 PM
I did a little sleuthing online and quickly discovered that Ms. Jill Edwards is on the Student Senate apparently as a representative of the "Honors Croquet League." :what:

If you want to email her your thoughts, her address is jae6@u.washington.edu

You won't be the first, though. In her February 7 "report" (http://students.washington.edu/croquet/senate_reports/?date=2006-02-07), she posted the following:

Senate this week was interesting. I talked more than I ever have before and realized exactly why I never talk. I apparently upset a lot of people when I opposed a memorial for a Colonel from WWII who had recieved a Medal of Honor and who was a UW graduate. This was the main discussion and rather than go into it, I think I would rather post some of the charming and sweet letters I have recieved since then.

“. . . most of you aren’t informed at all about that which you discuss. That’s a sad commentary about a university education that is supported by my tax dollars. No doubt you all have been corrected for your erroneous and sometimes outrageous remarks (Jill Edwards, Ashley Williams). It is one thing to stand up for your political beliefs. It’s entirely another to totally misrepresent the truth for political reasons.”

“ Against overwhelming odds, [Boyington] helped the overall cause of stopping what had been started on Dec. 7th, 1941 when the United States was attacked by the Empire of Japan. Or had you forgotten? Or did you ever even know? You should be honored that such a person is an alumnus of your school. Most schools can’t claim such an honorable person. I’m just sorry that your school has to claim you.”

“If it were not for a lot of people like Greg Boyington, you’d probably be attending classes in German or Japanese…………. Kinda sad—-—but such is life in the Socialist Soviet of Seattle, ‘ay?”

So there you have it. Thanks, I am thouroughly regretting opeining my mouth. No quote of the week this week, I think the above suffice.

Note that she doesn't say that she regret sthe content of her statements, or believes that she was wrong. She just regrets "opeining [sic] my mouth." That's not good enough for me.

Here's the best part. In her first report dated October 27, 2005 (http://students.washington.edu/croquet/senate_reports/?date=2005-10-27), she wrote the following:
Stupid people like to hear themselves talk and also talk louder than normal people. They are the bane of my existence. There are two senators who feel the need to comment loudly on everything, yet the few times I even attempted to follow what they were saying, I could not even fathom what their point was. Remember mad-libs, where one fills in blanks randomly. Those make more sense than these people. They should listen to our former president Abe Lincoln who said “Tis better to be silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.”

She should've taken her own advice.

LawDog
February 14, 2006, 06:14 PM
Apropos of nothing, I notice that the University of Washington Student Senate by-laws require a public database listing of all Senate-critters.

http://senate.asuw.org/membership/membershipdb.cgi

Jolly nice of them to provide e-mail addresses. Maybe a touch naive, but still nice.

Of course, if someone wanted to drop a polite e-mail to the President of the University of Wshington, one might use the public e-mail address found on this page:

http://www.uwnews.org/Uwnews/sites/OOP/index.asp?sm=38

Civility and courtesy are the watch-words of the day, ladies and gentlemen.

LawDog

Kentak
February 14, 2006, 06:20 PM
A war hero is not the kind of person...they want to produce...

What a depressing non-christian-god forsaken day (to keep from offending anyone out there :rolleyes: )

I am offended. Why do you think christians have a monopoly on the values that would want to honor an American war hero?

K

Father Knows Best
February 14, 2006, 06:26 PM
I am offended. Why do you think christians have a monopoly on the values that would want to honor an American war hero?

K

I think you misunderstood him, Kentak. I read his statement as referring to day that was "god forsaken" and he specifically added "non-Christian" to make clear that he wasn't referring solely to the Christian God. In other words, methinks he was trying to be careful NOT to offend people in the very way that you ended up being offended.

Anyway, the issue is off-topic. If you want to discuss it further, I would suggest that you send a private message to KriegHund and ask him what he meant.

Kentak
February 14, 2006, 06:35 PM
I think you misunderstood him, Kentak. I read his statement as referring to day that was "god forsaken" and he specifically added "non-Christian" to make clear that he wasn't referring solely to the Christian God. In other words, methinks he was trying to be careful NOT to offend people in the very way that you ended up being offended.

Anyway, the issue is off-topic. If you want to discuss it further, I would suggest that you send a private message to KriegHund and ask him what he meant.

Fair enough. I re-read and agree with you. Especially since he added that disclaimer about not wanting to offend. Perhaps, though, it would have been best not to make a religious-oriented statement at all. Just a thought.

K

YellowLab
February 14, 2006, 06:38 PM
When did we start linking off to The Low Road.
Whatever you feelings on this topic, and they are probably about the same as mine. There was no calling whatsoever for comments like that. This is the High road, we are above acting like this.

Supressing free speach.. what could be lower?

There was nothing offensive in what I said..... but I respect the boards right to edit any and all content.

No_Brakes23
February 14, 2006, 06:50 PM
Now hang on, before we lambast the entire senate, only two of them made any real offensive comments. That's hardly 100%.

I'd be willing to bet that UW is far from the only school with one anti-military female and one classist, racist, misandrist female on the school senate.

As a Marine, I am pretty offended by the comments, but let's not paint all these kids with the same brush.

Hockeydude
February 14, 2006, 07:03 PM
Now all they need is a Lenin statue.

Sergeant Sabre
February 14, 2006, 07:20 PM
Didn't you guys know that Pappy Boyington was a rich, white murderer? Just like Ira Hayes was, too.

:confused:

Old NFO
February 14, 2006, 07:24 PM
Now all they need is a Lenin statue.
That would probably get unanimous approval...sigh...

Many of you may not remember, but a few years ago the Smithsonian was going to put the Enola Gay's fuselage on display here. Once the revisionist historians got through with the accompanying monograph, the US was to blame for it's warmongering ways and killing of innocent civilans. For the first time since WWII, Col. Paul Tibbitts publically commented on what had been done, and it was NOT a polite comment. Eventually the display was cancelled. The entire Enola Gay is currently on display at the Udvar-Hazy expansion of the Air and Space Museum at Dulles Airport, sans monograph!:)

If anyone is in the DC area, it IS worth seeing... Included is a great exhibit on the airborne machine gun and it's evolution too!:D

MillCreek
February 14, 2006, 07:28 PM
I am a (usually) proud alumnus of the UW with two degrees from there over twenty years ago. If I may be so bold as to presume to invoke the memory of the late great Colonel Boyington, whom I met once at an air show, and was proud to shake his hand, I like to think that his thoughts would be the same as mine:

I do not agree with their opinions, but I would defend to the death their right to voice them.

LawDog
February 14, 2006, 07:43 PM
I do not agree with their opinions, but I would defend to the death their right to voice them.

They aren't the only ones who have that right; we have a right to voice our opinions, too.

I do not agree with their opinions, but I would defend to the death their right to voice them.

They have the right to voice their opinions; they do not have the right to avoid the reasonable consequences of exercising that right.

LawDog

Chupacabra
February 14, 2006, 08:22 PM
:confused: :cuss: :fire: :banghead: :rolleyes:

Today I am ashamed to be affiliated with the UW.

:(

Let's all chip in for a giant portrait of Pappy and have it placed in the UW student senate chambers!

I'm up for this! There is a plotter in the computer lab we can use! :evil:

CB900F
February 14, 2006, 08:32 PM
Fella's;

I think I read "Baa Baa Black Sheep" for the first time when I was about 9 or 10 years old. The first time I tried to check it out of the local library, they wouldn't let me have it, the literature was considered to be too mature. Called my folks as a matter of fact. SURPRISE!! Both of my parents were WWII USMC veterans. The librarian got an earfull & I got to read the book. And have re-read it several times over the years.

Dad was in the first Marine Division, served on Gaudalcanal, & was a crew chief on an F4U, though not in VMF124.

I attended UW, and would like to say that I'm glad that I have been in no way associated with the University of Washington. I attended the University of Wyoming. Just so there's no confusion over the term UW, there's more than the one in Seattle, thank God. I so dislike P.C. speech, thank the deity of your choice? If someone hears "Thank God", & can't convert that to whom or what ever they themselves worship, without getting their shorts in a knot, they're too 'sensitive' by an order of magnitude.

900F

Kim
February 14, 2006, 08:35 PM
Since when did students get to run the Universities-------OH I FORGOT it was during that great step forward cultural revolution of the 1960's. Yep we are a much better society now ----------NOT. I think the College Dean needs to be put back in power and these adolescent children taken out behind the woodshed for the first time in their life. I'm glad I was not infected by the 1960's mental disorder. :D

MillCreek
February 14, 2006, 08:53 PM
They aren't the only ones who have that right; we have a right to voice our opinions, too.



They have the right to voice their opinions; they do not have the right to avoid the reasonable consequences of exercising that right.

LawDog

I do not disagree with anything you have said, here. I concur that tolerance for different opinions goes both ways.

Standing Wolf
February 14, 2006, 08:54 PM
Ashley Miller, another senator, argued "many monuments at UW already commemorate rich white men."

Maybe racism isn't quite as uncommon as I'd thought.

The Freeholder
February 14, 2006, 09:01 PM
Here's hoping for the UW Student Senate to find themselves in dire need of men like Pappy Boyington soon, and finding none will come to their rescue.

Little lefty losers. :fire:

7.62x54r
February 14, 2006, 09:04 PM
:fire: :fire: :fire: :fire: :fire: :fire:

IndianaDean
February 14, 2006, 09:04 PM
I say we call in Marine Air and level UW! :cuss: :cuss: :cuss:

I second that. Put UW on my list of POS schools.

cavman
February 14, 2006, 09:19 PM
Since when did students get to run the Universities-------OH I FORGOT it was during that great step forward cultural revolution of the 1960's. Yep we are a much better society now ----------NOT. I think the College Dean needs to be put back in power and these adolescent children taken out behind the woodshed for the first time in their life. I'm glad I was not infected by the 1960's mental disorder. :D

During my days as a two year Student Senator at the University of New England, it was not all that it seems to be. There was a debate as to which piece of equipment of should be purchased for the gym. A lot of power (really?) with little result. Everyone had their little fiefdoms. This may have been theirs, regarding the Black Sheep statue. In my case it was an exercise of fighting over crumbs. The Student Senate had a couple of little projects and they hemmed and hawed endlessly. All opinion and very little fact. Other than one other guy, it was a quilt fest. (my stereotype for too much talk) I remember a bunch of do nothings, and of those that were more interested in hearing one's own voice that resolving the issue at hand.

cavman

CrazyIrishman
February 14, 2006, 10:48 PM
"Senate member Karl "MARX" Smith (there,fixed it!)amended the resolution to eliminate a clause that said Boyington "was credited with destroying 26 enemy aircraft, tying the record for most aircraft destroyed by a pilot in American Uniform," for which he was awarded the Navy Cross".

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It seems to me that much of todays youth is detached from reality and they know little, if any , of OUR HISTORY as a country, and even less if thats possible, about the men and women who helped create this UNITED STATES through their sacrifices of blood,sweat,guts,tears and fortunes!

If these students think so little of an alumni,especially one who was famous AND a genuine HERO, I would hate to see what they would say about the founders of our country!

I never had the priveledge of meeting "Pappy" Boyington. That would have been a nice memory to have! Its fortunate for us that in our time of need we had men like "Pappy".

What a shame that this generation doesn't have any of the grit and backbone that the WWII generation was known for!

hillbilly
February 14, 2006, 10:55 PM
Whoever made the quip about a UW monument to Lenin ought to know that UW most certainly DOES have a monument to the "Lincoln Brigade."

The "Lincoln Brigade" were misguided American volunteers who fought for the communist side in the Spanish Civil War.

So, volunteer fighters for communism get a monument at UW. Pappy Boyington can go pound sand......:rolleyes:

hillbilly

torpid
February 14, 2006, 10:59 PM
If Pappy was alive again today and you told him about the whole sordid affair, I truly feel he'd look at you and say, "Huh? ...Who cares about a stupid monument? I'm alive again- how the hell did that happen- what's going on here?!!!"

.

Slotback
February 14, 2006, 11:10 PM
What a bunch of ignorant children.

It's sad actually.

HerrWolfe
February 14, 2006, 11:27 PM
I would only ask that these two senators take a trip to Iraq and take a walk around any large town for only one day, and see the marines in action. I think the folks here would all chip in and get them a flight to Baghdad. And I too want to remember their names in the event I am ever in a position to assist them. Gee, wonder if this hit the newspapers.

MatthewVanitas
February 14, 2006, 11:55 PM
The "Lincoln Brigade" were misguided American volunteers who fought for the communist side in the Spanish Civil War.

So, volunteer fighters for communism get a monument at UW. Pappy Boyington can go pound sand......:rolleyes:


HB beat me too it, though I'm not quite as tore up about the Lincoln Brigade monument over by the HUB (student center). I'm as anti-Communist as the next fellow, but the Spanish Fascists weren't exactly a swell lot either.

However, I do find it most odd:

Fight for Anarchist Spain (supported by Soviet Russia) against Nazi-backed Spanish Loyalists: get a monument, nobody complains.

Fight for the United States, against Imperial Japan: well, you know.

Now all they need is a Lenin statue.

You are kidding, right? You do know that there is indeed a Lenin statue in the neighborhood a bit down the canal from UW, right? In Fremont, next to the taco joint:



http://www.gonorthwest.com/Washington/seattle/Fremont/lenin2.jpg

Dr.Who
February 15, 2006, 12:33 AM
Now see what happens when they let the leftest California's leave the state and go North.... Not only did they drive the price of homes and property through the roof so the locals can afford to buy, they also over ran the existing road systems and started planting their leftest views in more places...

I tell you, its a plague......:evil: :what: :banghead:

Husker1911
February 15, 2006, 12:52 AM
This reminds me far too much of the sordid incident when Joe Foss, Marine pilot and Congressional Medal of Honor holder, was prevented from boarding an airplane because his Medal of Honor set off the metal detector! The sorry excuses for thinking human beings that detained Foss remind me of these student senators that couldn't think themselves out of a wet paper bag. I thank the gods above for the likes of brave American heroes like Boyington and Foss.

Kim
February 15, 2006, 01:07 AM
Well these young people remind me of the San Francisco city board. There was one of the board people on Hannity and Colmes tonight to discuss why the city board voted 8 to 3 to not allow the IOWA battleship to become a memorial there. The guy went on and on about a ship with GUNS on it and he finally blurted out that the board did not believe that the USA should have a military at all. None. Colmes was even upset. The guy said that is the world San Francisco supports. It may be a world 1000 years from now but they plan to lead the way. I say put the ship somewhere else. They want to make a lefty museum out of it if they keep it. A museum to conflict resolution and such nonsense. :cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf:

Hawken50
February 15, 2006, 01:15 AM
Mikhail Smirnoff said he supported the resolution. He said the resolution
does not support a final product, but that it only supports the concept of
the monument. He said he understood the sentiment of not wanting to
reward those who fought in the war, but that he thought those who fought
in WWII were heros and that it was a much different war than the
controversial war in Iraq.

so apparently being honored for valor depends not on what you did, but on which war you fought in.

maybe they should just hang up a sign that says "Iraq war vets need not apply"

c-bag
February 15, 2006, 01:38 AM
Here's a great story about this:

Rich White Male Kills 26 Japanese Tourists (http://blamebush.typepad.com/blamebush/2006/02/rich_white_male.html)

hrb02
February 15, 2006, 01:49 AM
arrrrghhhh:fire: :fire:

why don't rich white kids get it? Pappy won the Medal of Honor for cripes sake. do you think they even know what that is???

i worry for my children's future if this is the world in which they will live...

Hawken50
February 15, 2006, 02:15 AM
“these ignorant, petulant, overindulged little b@$+@rds should be forced to live the rest of their lives attached to an a$$-kicking machine!... I hope those brave little souls can find their utopia. If there is anything I can do to help them get there I will be more then happy to help."


now that's laugh out loud funny

PlayboyPenguin
February 15, 2006, 02:48 AM
:evil:Now all they need is a Lenin statue.

something like this?:evil:

PS- This is just a fake meant as a joke for some that did not figure that out.;)

Cosmoline
February 15, 2006, 03:30 AM
This isn't surprising. The American university campus has long been a stronghold of extremist left wing attitudes. It's where the whole notion of "PC" was formed. My growing disgust with the whole mess turned me away from liberalism forever.

rangerruck
February 15, 2006, 03:43 AM
except for theocracy, fascism, communism, totalitarianism, despotism, imperialism, nazism, and dictatorship, war never solved anything! the Bible states by Solomon no less, "99 men sitting at a table can accomplish many things, but one man of rebellion destroys much". Hello Dictators! to the little despots out there and our Socialists here , i say give War a chance. jesus said during sermon on the mount," blessed are the peacemakers", ... the words here in the origional greek and hebrew is someone who physically dares to do that which takes action to make peace. Doesn't sound like he's talking about the u.n. talking heads here, does it? when you get the chance , read the story of vietnam vet msg Benevidez. It will inspire you.

Trebor
February 15, 2006, 03:47 AM
At least she's cute:

http://students.washington.edu/croquet/records/member.cgi?num=426

I've got a paperback copy of, "Baa Baa Black Sheep" here somewhere. I'm tempted to send it to her with a note that she might benefit from reading it.

Father Knows Best
February 15, 2006, 07:09 AM
Hello Dictators! to the little despots out there and our Socialists here , i say give War a chance.

I think I've found a new sig line -- "Give war a chance." I like it!

At least she's cute

Dude, you have lower standards even than me. And that's saying something. :barf:

Father Knows Best
February 15, 2006, 07:11 AM
Here's a great story about this:

Rich White Male Kills 26 Japanese Tourists (http://blamebush.typepad.com/blamebush/2006/02/rich_white_male.html)

That is indeed a great story. Every comrade should be forced to read it daily! A choice quote:

When a member of a University of Washington campus hate group proposed the erection of a monument in honor of famous mass-murderer and UW alumnus Gregory “Pappy” Boyington, it was only through the courageous resistance of a handful of progressive student senators that his twisted plan didn’t succeed.

Col. Gregory “Pappy” Boyington was a disturbed young aeronautical engineering student who gave up a promising career marching the Boeing picket lines to shoot down 26 Japanese sightseeing planes over the Pacific, killing everyone on board and traumatizing a plethora of innocent marine life when the crippled aircraft hit the water. It was a matter of great embarrassment to the University at the time, and remains so to this day. Yet Boyington was not only decorated by the U.S. government for his brutal acts of aggression, his three-year reign of terror was also immortalized in the offensively titled TV series, Baa Baa Black Sheep. Boyington never served a day in prison, nor did he ever write a children’s book redeeming himself for his crimes. Instead, he made millions hawking Eveready batteries and writing recruitment propaganda for the military-industrial complex, inspiring future generations of innocent children to follow in his bloody footsteps.

MillCreek
February 15, 2006, 08:43 AM
In the interests of accuracy, I should point out that the picture posted above by Mr. Penguin has been PhotoShopped to substitute Lenin for George Washington. The real statute is of President Washington holding a sheathed sword. By campus legend, if a virgin ever walked by the statute, he would pull the sword from the sheath. This is a real statute on the UW campus.

And I also noticed that the young Ms. Edwards lists among her accomplishments as being the subject of a swimsuit calendar. Is she not contributing to the objectification of womyn? (Note uber-PC spelling there. ;) )

BowStreetRunner
February 15, 2006, 08:59 AM
This development, while depressing and sad, isn't the end of the world because there are still patriotic young Americans out there in higher education. I feel sorry for those kids. I know several like them. Theirs is a life of fear, dependence, and hatred of their own country. It is a pitiful thing.
BSR

Radjxf
February 15, 2006, 09:49 AM
Whomever posted the pics--PLEASE refrain from posting any of the swimsuit pics! Seriously, I attended a major university and it nearly made me sick each day to have to try to learn amongst these spoiled, pot-smoking rich kids like Jill. While I worked 2 jobs, they partied it up with daddy's money. Do you think these "Senators" have ever held a job or had a difficult day in the real world in their miserable lives? These childredn aren't fit to wash Pappy's underwear! Just remember, if the S does hit the F, people like her will the first ones gone.

cavman
February 15, 2006, 10:42 AM
I dearly hope that is satire.
Loved it.

cavman

GruntII
February 15, 2006, 10:58 AM
As a veteran, an infantryman, I like Lt. Rico's plan "Nuke em from orbit it's the only way to be sure!!"

Brad Johnson
February 15, 2006, 12:39 PM
Tucked away in my bookshelf, wrapped in paper to keep it clean, I have an old yellowed, worn out, dog-eared hardback copy of 'Baa Baa Black Sheep'. My parents picked up for me in the late 70's. They got it in Harlingen, TX at the CONFEDERATE Air Force AirSho'. Of course that's before the PC nazis changed the name to the wuss-puss "Commemorative" Air Force.

Inside the front cover it's signed "To Brad, Merry Christmas. Pappy Boyington." It was my Christmas present that year. To a 10 year old kid a book signed by one of his heros was, and is, worth more than gold.

Pappy was a drunk, a womanizer, and a generally poor example most of his life. But he was one hell of a fighter pilot and a natural combat leader who went through more in five years than most of us will in a lifetime.

Brad

XLMiguel
February 15, 2006, 12:48 PM
Ms Edwards is inthe "Honors Croquet League"? Oh, pull-ease:barf: I can see her now in her white flannels, gin & tonic in hand, playing with the proletariat, that's just too funny. I mean,she's certainly entitled to her opinions, but why any sane person would listen to her for anything other than 'entertainment purposes' is beyond me. I feel bad for her parents, they paid for an 'education' that clearly didn't teach her daughter to think.:scrutiny:

Teufelhunden
February 15, 2006, 01:08 PM
Student senator Jill Edwards, according to minutes of the student government's meeting last week, said she "didn't believe a member of the Marine Corps was an example of the sort of person UW wanted to produce."

Apparently UW doesn't want to produce intelligent, decisive, versatile leaders capable of overcoming any obstacle in their path to achieve their goal.

More power to them...someone needs to produce indians instead of chiefs I suppose...

-Teuf

nwgunslinger
February 15, 2006, 01:38 PM
Email addresses for the US Student senators can be found at:

http://senate.asuw.org/membership/membershipdb.cgi

Jill Edwards Email address is jae6@u.washington.edu

Here profile is at

http://students.washington.edu/croquet/records/member.cgi?num=426

Yes, her claim to fame is the Croquet League, that and Miss April on 2006 Swimsuit Calendar


Gunslinger

engineer151515
February 15, 2006, 01:51 PM
Jill Edwards.......
Ashley Miller......


Shame, shame, shame on you both.

You owe an apology to every US service veteran everywhere, both living and dead.

Thank goodness I know hundreds of young people do not share your repulsive viewpoints. It give me hope for the future.

May your future life's experiences teach you the folly of your opinion.

CrazyIrishman
February 16, 2006, 08:38 AM
Rich White Male Kills 26 Japanese Tourists

"Col. Gregory “Pappy” Boyington was a disturbed young aeronautical engineering student who gave up a promising career marching the Boeing picket lines to shoot down 26 Japanese sightseeing planes over the Pacific, killing everyone on board and traumatizing a plethora of innocent marine....."

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PLEASE.....tell ME that I didn't read what I think I just read!!!!

And then we have some thoughts, I mean some more drivel from the brainwashed idiots........

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Posted by: Che | February 13, 2006 at 08:35 AM

" I'm shaking my head so hard that my tinfoil hat just came off!

Need I remind everyone that Bu$sh 41 was also a war criminal in ww 2.( do you see this coming together) He and that boyington "man" killed many peacefull japanese people. I remember in my first collage class on history I was told that japan was pushed into war by ameriKKKa. we picked the war with them. they had no choice but to fight.

Japan was wanting to end the war we started on dec,8 1941. But a few days later, we just up and dropped a atomic bomb on them for no reason. FDR/Truman, being dems, did not want to do it but the military did it anyway.

I'm glad that I went to school to get the true history of ameriKKKa! "


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And yet another fine gem..........


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Posted by OmarTheTentMaker | February 13, 2006 at 10:00 AM

" And Germany never bombed Pearl Harbor, so what was FDR thinking getting us into that illegal and immoral war? And just because innocent Japanese freedom fighters misread their training maps on December 7, 1941 and accidentally bombed evil American battleships that AmeriKKKa was hiding there for a sneak attack on Japan is certainly no reason for war! If Neville Chamberlain were alive today I'm confident that's exactly what he would have said, too. "





I'm sooo pissed I can't think straight!! The disrespect and slander directed at our veterans and country is way past disgusting and offensive! Ignorant little @#$%^#^%$%&#%^#@^**&% !!!

I'm glad my son doesn't think like this!

I WILL be contacting COMRADES Edwards and Miller!

hillbilly
February 16, 2006, 09:17 AM
crazyirishman......get a dictionary.

Look up the following: "Satire"

hillbilly

Manedwolf
February 16, 2006, 09:32 AM
Whomever posted the pics--PLEASE refrain from posting any of the swimsuit pics! Seriously, I attended a major university and it nearly made me sick each day to have to try to learn amongst these spoiled, pot-smoking rich kids like Jill. While I worked 2 jobs, they partied it up with daddy's money. Do you think these "Senators" have ever held a job or had a difficult day in the real world in their miserable lives? These childredn aren't fit to wash Pappy's underwear! Just remember, if the S does hit the F, people like her will the first ones gone.

When I picture the man the statue was to be in honor of, I can barely imagine what it must have been like to slam a roaring radial-engined Corsair around under the hot South Pacific sun blazing through the canopy, trying to turn and outmaneuver someone or several someones who were doing their best to kill you. To fight from the cockpit of a machine with no radar, no over-the-horizon ordnance, just a basic gunsight and sheer ability of the pilot to put the other guy in their sights before the enemy got them in theirs.

And to do that successfully twenty...six...times. Each time knowing that one slip would be fatal. And after being shot down, to have endured a POW camp, and all the horror that no-one brought up in a civilized nation would ever expect that human beings could inflict upon them.

Compare that with brats sent to college by rich parents, whose only concerns are their next class and the latest on-campus gossip scandals. They CAN'T idenfity with real hardship and real struggle.

So they can't understand what a real hero is.

Nightfall
February 16, 2006, 10:28 AM
It never ceases to amaze me that people like these students can lay claim to “higher learning” and still spout $#@& like this.

Just because scumbag leftists won’t remember our heroes, doesn’t mean the rest of us will forget. Statue or no, I for one will never forget the brave men and women who sacrificed so that we can be where we are, an independent nation, instead of where we would be, the crushed subject of foreign tyrants.

Moondoggie
February 16, 2006, 10:30 AM
I served on recruiting duty as an Officer Recruiter in Seattle 76-78 in the Marines. Went to UW many times...always an adventure. Frequently got nasty comments directed toward us by faculty AND students. Green USMC sedan was a favorite tgt...we used to carry TWO spare tires in the trunk.

I also got to meet Pappy several times at "Francisco's" (restaurant) down by the Seattle Center. Dick Francisco was a Korean War Marine Corps fighter pilot, and the bar in his place was a Marine "Hangout"...lots of Marine memorabilia adorned the overhead and bulkheads.

Pappy once said to me "Randy, if you recruit Officers down at the UW, you deserve a medal more than I do!" He knew what the UW had become, and he didn't think much of it. I don't think it would bother him in the least for the UW to decide that he didn't meet their standards. He was a really good guy, despite his problems. I'm sure he'd have quite a few comments that would never get past Art's Grammaw.

"Rich, white guy"...that's a hoot! If Pappy wasn't part Native American, then he had the deepest permanent suntan I ever saw!

What troubles me now as much as it did then is the absolute terms/venom that these leftists use when they go out of their way to attack folks that they disagree with. Liberals have no respect for democracy or the rights of others.

Hacker15E
February 16, 2006, 06:24 PM
I'm a UW grad, as well as a USAF officer and fighter pilot.

Personally, I don't see what all the pi$$-and-vinegar is all about. Boyington is what he is, regardless of if they want to recommend a memorial to him at the UW or not. He probably wouldn't want all of this BS on his accord, either.

I say...whatever. Wasted effort to get all riled up about this.

Hockeydude
February 16, 2006, 06:31 PM
Wow, after leaving the USSR I thought there wouldn't be any more Lenin statues.

Geno
February 16, 2006, 06:42 PM
As a full-time college professor, instructing graduate level research, I have seen all too many students who are just arrogant. Heck, most of the arrogant ones can't even articulate an argument--they think it means to quarrel.

Student government is fine, but it should have LIMITED power. Colleges and universities are to be run, day-to-day, by the full-time, tenure-track professors, not by some snot-nosed punk who has an over-inflated opinion of their menial intelligence. The problem is that many, if not most, professors are just as stupid as this student government. They "learn" it somewhere!

We need to bring back the great equalizer, and this time make it EQUAL! Draft all "Americans" to serve their country for 1 or 2 years. Once they crawl through the mud for 3 months, they will have developed respect for those who dawn USA military uniforms--NO EXCEPTIONS, not even for the rich or the politicians' brats. EVERYONE should serve! For certain, by the end of 1 or 2 years, they will be humbled.

Not serving in the military is my ONE and ONLY regret in life! It would have done me a world of good! :banghead:

Doc2005

No_Brakes23
February 16, 2006, 06:56 PM
Draft all "Americans" to serve their country for 1 or 2 years. Once they crawl through the mud for 3 months, they will have developed respect for those who dawn USA military uniforms--NO EXCEPTIONS, not even for the rich or the politicians' brats. EVERYONE should serve! For certain, by the end of 1 or 2 years, they will be humbled.

I can't possibly tell you how many servicemembers I have met who have no respect for their service or anyone else's. I'll not have anyone conscripted to extort their respect. I'll either have their respect, or not, and be thankful that the Marine beside is me there because he volunteered.

c_yeager
February 16, 2006, 07:15 PM
The UW continues its downward slide into idiocy. It is still possible to obtain a great education there and come out as a perfectly reasonable adult, that is however not a prerequisite for graduation and they take real pride in producing completely irrelevant wastes of skin. I take solace in the fact that more and more of these graduates are from out of state and return home after the complete their education, regrettably some of them stick around to gum up the works around here too.

gometika
February 16, 2006, 08:11 PM
Looks like among the first human wave to go into battle in the next great war would be comprised of the leftist draftees from the UW. This is good, it'll give them a taste of war and hopefully jar their peanuts for brain to realize the sacrifices and horrors that our gallant men and women had to endure just so these leftists could mouth their shortsighted views. Ingrates!

Kodiaz
February 16, 2006, 08:11 PM
There is a book on "Pappy" and his "Black Sheep" Walmart was selling it. It's a disgrace that a bunch of clowns who have never known any hardship to deny this man a place of honor in his home state.


If this wasn't true it would be to ridiculous to be fiction.

longeyes
February 17, 2006, 01:24 PM
I'm a UW grad, as well as a USAF officer and fighter pilot.

Personally, I don't see what all the pi$$-and-vinegar is all about. Boyington is what he is, regardless of if they want to recommend a memorial to him at the UW or not. He probably wouldn't want all of this BS on his accord, either.

I say...whatever. Wasted effort to get all riled up about this.

A society is what it values. A society is who leads.

These are the future leaders of America? Jill and Ashley?

It only takes one generation to lose a Republic, and we are on the verge.

longeyes
February 17, 2006, 02:15 PM
Student senator Jill Edwards, according to minutes of the student government's meeting last week, said she "didn't believe a member of the Marine Corps was an example of the sort of person UW wanted to produce."

Ashley Miller, another senator, argued "many monuments at UW already commemorate rich white men."

Senate member Karl Smith amended the resolution to eliminate a clause that said Boyington "was credited with destroying 26 enemy aircraft, tying the record for most aircraft destroyed by a pilot in American Uniform," for which he was awarded the Navy Cross.

Smith, according to the minutes, said "the resolution should commend Colonel Boyington's service, not his killing of others."

One other thing...

Forty years into the Not-So-Great Society this is what we've come to.

Let me be blunt: There are too many "Jills" and "Ashleys"--those were the two quoted in the story--running things today on campuses. That's my impression. The women step forward and the guys just go along. They have been told that women know better and do better, and they've also been told to keep quiet and acquiece. So they do. Was there not one male in the academic Senate at U of W who stood up and read these women the riot act and educated them about heroism or patriotism or risk-taking? ONE?

Maybe it was the "Pappy" nickname that got the hormones roiling?

Nathaniel Firethorn
February 17, 2006, 03:29 PM
I think I read "Baa Baa Black Sheep" for the first time when I was about 9 or 10 years old. The first time I tried to check it out of the local library, they wouldn't let me have it, the literature was considered to be too mature.Well, it does have some "mature" material -- his postwar downslide into alcoholism, for instance. And his spat with Chennault.

Those who believe their heroes to be ten feet tall and invincible might find it disturbing.

- NF

Father Knows Best
February 17, 2006, 03:36 PM
Let me be blunt: There are too many "Jills" and "Ashleys"--those were the two quoted in the story--running things today on campuses. That's my impression. The women step forward and the guys just go along. They have been told that women know better and do better, and they've also been told to keep quiet and acquiece. So they do. Was there not one male in the academic Senate at U of W who stood up and read these women the riot act and educated them about heroism or patriotism or risk-taking? ONE?

I disagree with your suggestion that this has anything to do with the sex of the people involved. I was a college student not too long ago (1987-94), and at a campus that is also notoriously liberal (The University of Michigan at Ann Arbor). The loudest and most obnoxious liberal pantywaists were just as likely to be men as women. And there were loud and obnoxious female conservative nutjobs, too. ;) Heck, our world today includes conservative heroines like Michelle Malkin and Ann Coulter.

College campuses tend to be extremely liberal, and student government tends to attract the most liberal fringes of an already liberal population. The conservative students all have more important things to do. :neener:

CZ 75 BD
February 17, 2006, 04:00 PM
Brother Neal Boortz has proposed on his program a memorial scholarship to UW for Marines or children of Marines killed in service. He has pledged the inital $5000, and a caller yesterday indicated he was sure he could bring in at least another $10,000 in pledges after his unit reunion this spring. Mr. Boortz intends to honor Pappy as well as his own Pa who was a Marine flyer in WW2, Korea, and Viet Nam.

http://boortz.com

Ziryo
February 17, 2006, 04:24 PM
Well these young people remind me of the San Francisco city board. There was one of the board people on Hannity and Colmes tonight to discuss why the city board voted 8 to 3 to not allow the IOWA battleship to become a memorial there. The guy went on and on about a ship with GUNS on it and he finally blurted out that the board did not believe that the USA should have a military at all. None. Colmes was even upset. The guy said that is the world San Francisco supports. It may be a world 1000 years from now but they plan to lead the way. I say put the ship somewhere else. They want to make a lefty museum out of it if they keep it. A museum to conflict resolution and such nonsense.

So that's what I caught part of at the Navy recruiting office. It was pretty funny stuff.

antsi
February 17, 2006, 05:16 PM
When I picture the man the statue was to be in honor of, I can barely imagine what it must have been like to slam a roaring radial-engined Corsair around under the hot South Pacific sun blazing through the canopy, trying to turn and outmaneuver someone or several someones who were doing their best to kill you. To fight from the cockpit of a machine with no radar, no over-the-horizon ordnance, just a basic gunsight and sheer ability of the pilot to put the other guy in their sights before the enemy got them in theirs.

And to do that successfully twenty...six...times. Each time knowing that one slip would be fatal. And after being shot down, to have endured a POW camp, and all the horror that no-one brought up in a civilized nation would ever expect that human beings could inflict upon them.

Not to mention, simply living and surviving in the South Pacific under WWII conditions. This was not tropical paradises and pina coladas here - those guys had to deal with jungle rot, dengue fever, malaria, and dysentery in addition to a fanatical enemy trying to kill you 24/7. To live under those conditions and then go up and do something as physically and mentally demanding as a fighter pilot every day is an amazing feat of endurance and fortitude in itself.

cracked butt
February 17, 2006, 08:09 PM
I wouldn't get too worked up about it. University students are in an isolated womb-like environment where they are protected from the comnsequences of what they say. Its only a matter of time before they leave the University and find out that things they do or sday have a tendancy to snap back at them.

Stupidity hurts in the real world.

Hacker15E
February 17, 2006, 08:45 PM
A society is what it values. A society is who leads.

These are the future leaders of America? Jill and Ashley?

It only takes one generation to lose a Republic, and we are on the verge.

For every idiot like her, there's someone like me. Again, I'm a product of the UW (1995 grad), and I'd like to think future leader (at a minimum just plain old good American).

My mind wasn't poisoned by some evil moonbat institution there in Seattle...I graduated from the same college (in a liberal arts major, no less!) and I don't seem to be having any problems handling a 11+ year military career and flying combat missions over Iraq and Afghanistan...

longeyes
February 18, 2006, 12:50 PM
Not to mention, simply living and surviving in the South Pacific under WWII conditions. This was not tropical paradises and pina coladas here - those guys had to deal with jungle rot, dengue fever, malaria, and dysentery in addition to a fanatical enemy trying to kill you 24/7. To live under those conditions and then go up and do something as physically and mentally demanding as a fighter pilot every day is an amazing feat of endurance and fortitude in itself.

Hey, you make it sound harder than going to Gender Studies classes at the U of W! That can't be right.

longeyes
February 18, 2006, 12:53 PM
For every idiot like her, there's someone like me. Again, I'm a product of the UW (1995 grad), and I'd like to think future leader (at a minimum just plain old good American).

My mind wasn't poisoned by some evil moonbat institution there in Seattle...I graduated from the same college (in a liberal arts major, no less!) and I don't seem to be having any problems handling a 11+ year military career and flying combat missions over Iraq and Afghanistan...

I'd like to believe that. I would. I'd like to believe that the numbers even out.

But I don't. You're a rare breed, and I hope not, as it appears, an endangered species.

carebear
February 18, 2006, 05:32 PM
Not to mention, simply living and surviving in the South Pacific under WWII conditions. This was not tropical paradises and pina coladas here - those guys had to deal with jungle rot, dengue fever, malaria, and dysentery in addition to a fanatical enemy trying to kill you 24/7. To live under those conditions and then go up and do something as physically and mentally demanding as a fighter pilot every day is an amazing feat of endurance and fortitude in itself.

Hey, you make it sound harder than going to Gender Studies classes at the U of W! That can't be right.

Oh, I don't know. Given the choice I'd take the dysentary and jungle rot. :evil:

DRZinn
February 19, 2006, 02:26 PM
Magnus Gordon encouraged senators and their constituents to come to the
HUB crawl for go-cart racing and a poetry slam on February the 16th.

Hala Dillsi noted that GBLTC is having auditions for the drag show this week.

Selma Dillsi said APS is having its annual Human Rights Film Fest on February

15th-19th .

Jill Edwards noted that Honors Croquet League is holding a match this
Saturday.

Ashley Miller said this Thursday during noon passing periods groups would be
playing The Privilidge Game in front of the HUB.

It was noted that tickets for the Vagina Monologues are currently available in the HUB ticket office.

Jon Lee said Innocence Project Northwest is having a screening at the Burke Museum regarding the death penalty.

Karl Smith noted the ACLU is having a meeting in Kane Hall this Saturday.Tells you all you need to know.

Edit: That's not pick-and-choose, that's their entire Announcements section.

Old NFO
February 19, 2006, 04:46 PM
Well, the latest is that FOx had a 5 minute on this issue this morning on the Sunday Talk mentioning by name the students and their comments... Oh yeah, one other point... Boyington was neither rich nor white. He pretty much died without anything, and he was a Sioux Indian-

Thanks for your service Hacker-15! Nice to see at least ONE individual made it out of there with some common sense and decency!:D

Phyphor
February 19, 2006, 07:43 PM
I say we call in Marine Air and level UW! :cuss: :cuss: :cuss:

Agreed. Then give the pilots on that run a bottle of bourbon apiece after the mission. :evil:

(Gregory Boyington used to enjoy fine (and sometimes, not-so-fine) bourbon. :neener: )

CZ 75 BD
February 20, 2006, 10:34 AM
http://http://secure.gifts.washington.edu/uw_foundation/gift.asp?source_typ=3&source=PAPPYB (http://secure.gifts.washington.edu/uw_foundation/gift.asp?source_typ=3&source=PAPPYB)

for the scholarship fund.

Ramius
February 20, 2006, 11:40 AM
This reminds me far too much of the sordid incident when Joe Foss, Marine pilot and Congressional Medal of Honor holder, was prevented from boarding an airplane because his Medal of Honor set off the metal detector! The sorry excuses for thinking human beings that detained Foss remind me of these student senators that couldn't think themselves out of a wet paper bag. I thank the gods above for the likes of brave American heroes like Boyington and Foss.


You are kidding, right? PLEASE tell me you are kidding... has it gone that far now??? Can you point me to a complete detailed account of this happening?

Thanks. R.

Brad Johnson
February 20, 2006, 12:16 PM
You are kidding, right? PLEASE tell me you are kidding... has it gone that far now??? Can you point me to a complete detailed account of this happening?

Google "Joe Foss metal detector". But have a barf bag handy...

Brad

JesseJames
February 20, 2006, 12:45 PM
As a full-time college professor, instructing graduate level research, I have seen all too many students who are just arrogant. Heck, most of the arrogant ones can't even articulate an argument--they think it means to quarrel.

Student government is fine, but it should have LIMITED power. Colleges and universities are to be run, day-to-day, by the full-time, tenure-track professors, not by some snot-nosed punk who has an over-inflated opinion of their menial intelligence. The problem is that many, if not most, professors are just as stupid as this student government. They "learn" it somewhere!

We need to bring back the great equalizer, and this time make it EQUAL! Draft all "Americans" to serve their country for 1 or 2 years. Once they crawl through the mud for 3 months, they will have developed respect for those who dawn USA military uniforms--NO EXCEPTIONS, not even for the rich or the politicians' brats. EVERYONE should serve! For certain, by the end of 1 or 2 years, they will be humbled.

Not serving in the military is my ONE and ONLY regret in life! It would have done me a world of good! :banghead:

Doc2005

Thanks for that Doc2005. I appreciate what you said.
I did the Community College thing after 2 years active duty in the Army and man oh man let me tell you; I barely graduated with gritted teeth at the level of imbecilic thinking of the students and teachers.
Completely turned me off with "higher" education. Now I have an Associates Degree in Art and Media that is barely worth anything. I was initially a Criminal Justice major and switching was one of the biggest mistakes of my life.
My art teacher actually said this one day, "Who cares about our veterans."
I almost hit the roof. But I kept my temper.
I know this is "The High Road", but, I've coined a new term for the lexicon; you've heard of the term "white trash" right? Well, how about "intellectual trash".

Old NFO
February 20, 2006, 01:11 PM
<snip>
I know this is "The High Road", but, I've coined a new term for the lexicon; you've heard of the term "white trash" right? Well, how about "intellectual trash".
I like it.. I LIKE it...:D Can I use it???? Please!:evil:

offthepaper
February 20, 2006, 01:34 PM
ANSWER:
Conscipt the entire student body, student goverment, along with the leftist teaching facuilty at UW: and send them to Iraq so they can show us how to REALLY win a war. :what: :eek: :evil: :neener: :D :cuss: :fire: :banghead:

offthepaper
February 20, 2006, 01:39 PM
Almost forgot.
I not familar with the tuition cost of this school, but I think it safe to say whatever it is, they're overcharging for the worldly knowledge they impart to our youth.
That's as fair as I can be.:fire:

Kim
February 20, 2006, 10:39 PM
Scarbrough just had one of the young lefty intellluctuals on his show. And the truth spilled forward. Did you know it was the evil industrilist in the US, England and THE USA that was responsible for HILTER and MUSOLLINI and fascism..... Yes it was an evil Capitialist plot. Did you know the UNIV. of Washington has a memorial to the Lincolin Brigade the students who went and fought for the Communists in Europe. And IF only the ALLIES had supported the Communists in Europe all would have been well and WWII would have been avoided. HAHAHAHAHAHAHH soooooooooooooooo sad.

























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Mad Man
February 21, 2006, 12:26 AM
Ashley Miller, another senator, argued "many monuments at UW already commemorate rich white men."

112 posts in this thread, and nobody has pointed out that Boyington was not white?! He was a Souix Indian.

As for the sin of honoring a rich white male, Mr. Ludeman points out that Boyington (who died in 1988) was neither rich nor white. He happened to be a Sioux Indian, who wound up raising his three children as a single parent.

-Wall Street Journal (http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110007988)



UPDATE: I stand corrected (see post immediately below this). I misspelled "Sioux" when I did a search.

carebear
February 21, 2006, 12:34 AM
I think there's been about a mention per page, actually.

Well, I was wrong.

An oblique reference to Ira Hayes in 34, an oblique reference to his permanent tan in 82 and a direct reference in 102.

Must have been in all the links.

Still, it wasn't missed.

lbmii
February 21, 2006, 02:33 AM
I have a signed copy of Pappy's book.

garyk/nm
February 21, 2006, 09:37 AM
Another UW alum here ('85), seems they don't turn out ALL losers. One thing that hasn't been mentioned so far is that UW is a STATE university and is funded by TAX dollars, so the folks in WA have some say in what happens at UW. I know, long shot.
For the current crop of lib-weenies to think that they speak for all students, past/present/future, as well as all of the citizens of WA, is the height of arrogance.
I like the Boortz plan, but would like to suggest that the alumni association fund the memorial just to put these twits in their proper place. I will make that suggestion to the Association, see where it goes.

MillCreek
February 21, 2006, 11:49 AM
In today's Seattle Times (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nicolebrodeur/2002818614_brodeur21m.html), one of the columnists points out the short-sightedness and lack of historical knowledge shown by the student senate.

JesseJames
February 21, 2006, 12:43 PM
Those UW students need to learn some respect, and some gun education.

Vex
February 21, 2006, 01:06 PM
Check out the UW Student Senate FORUM! Lets invade!!

http://senate.asuw.org/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=37&highlight=pappy

Associated Students of the University of Washington
Student Senate
Session 12


Edwards Apology

WHEREAS Student Senator Jill Edwards offended all members of the United States Marine Corps, past or present, dead or alive; especially those who were, are, or will be students at the University of Washington with her comment that she "didn't believe a member of the Marine Corps was an example of the sort of person UW wanted to produce." This commented brought shame and dishonor to not only the UW Student Senate, but also the University as a whole, all its members who have served in the Marine Corps and all Marines past and present.

BE IT RESOLVED BY THE ASSOCIATED STUDENTS OF THE UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON:

THAT

Student Senator Jill Edwards will submit, in writing, a signed apology letter seeking forgiveness to all students, staff, and alumni who are now or ever have served in the United States Marine Corps. In said letter it will contain a formal apology and a recognition that her very rights and freedoms are guaranteed by such members of the armed services, to include the Marine Corps, Army, Navy, Air Force, and Coast Guard, past or present, living or dead. Additionally, said letter will be printed in all its form and substance in that day's edition of the UW Daily newspaper as well as being recited on the UW Radio station. To realize her mistake, she must acquaint herself with the history of the person she is so keen to dismiss, by reading Col. Boyington's book, Baa, Baa, Black Sheep. All of these requirements are mandatory, under pain of losing her seat on the Student Senate.

History of Legislation

02/15/2006: Submitted for consideration

Legislation ID:
R-12-24

Date Submitted:
02/15/2006

Sponsor:
Nathan D. Bedle

Cosponsor(s):

Ziryo
February 21, 2006, 02:21 PM
Check out the UW Student Senate FORUM! Lets invade!!

NO!

I don't know what forum etiquette you know, but forum invasions are stupid things that is very similar to shouting out people with whom you don't agree.

Other then being stupid it opens up counter-invasions, flamewars, and tarnishes the board(s) it occured from.

All activity on a board may grind to a halt and it's possible for the board owner to get into legal trouble.

BigRobT
February 21, 2006, 02:40 PM
I thought that I had heard that the decision was actually "tabled" due to the overwhelming flame emails they've received. This was part of the Fox News story that they had this past weekend. If this is the case, I think there's hope for these young, misguided children.

Vex
February 21, 2006, 03:10 PM
NO!

I don't know what forum etiquette you know, but forum invasions are stupid things that is very similar to shouting out people with whom you don't agree.

Other then being stupid it opens up counter-invasions, flamewars, and tarnishes the board(s) it occured from.

All activity on a board may grind to a halt and it's possible for the board owner to get into legal trouble.

Hang out on the ehowa.com forums for a while and you'll change your mind and see how much can be accomplished by going to another forum. They invade people's forums all the time.

Besides, what better way to preach to the people than by going directly to the people? Where I come from, inaction is worse than wrong action. You speak of flame wars, counter-invasions, and tarshishing the board? Yes, if you do the invasion INCORRECTLY. There are two ways to do something: the wrong way, and the right way. If certain citizens went to their forum (and actually, this is already being done) and talked to these people like adults, perhaps they would see the light and understand the evils of leftist college teachings.

Art Eatman
February 22, 2006, 10:40 AM
No. THR folks might head for a poll, somewhere, on a gun issue. Okay, fine. What we don't do is "invade" and get into the middle of existing childishness. We're supposed to be grownups, here.

That doesn't mean folks from here can't offer reasoned argument, anywhere, about their views on an issue. What it means is that we don't work on the basis of high volume, little thought. "Dear Sir, You cur!" isn't reasoned argument.

And so, Vex, give some thought to how you phrase your ideas. Don't be vexing to me.

Art

engineer151515
February 23, 2006, 05:38 PM
Follow-up info.

Well - looks like the Edwards apology bill was swept under the rug.

Oh well.




History of Legislation

02/15/2006: Submitted for consideration
02/17/2006: Referred to the Membership Committee
Committee consideration tabled indefinitely in accordance with Senate Rules Legislation ID:
R-12-24




Date Submitted:
02/15/2006

Sponsor:
Nathan D. Bedle

Cosponsor

Quote:
Associated Students of the University of Washington
Student Senate
Session 12


Edwards Apology

WHEREAS Student Senator Jill Edwards offended all members of the United States Marine Corps, past or present, dead or alive; especially those who were, are, or will be students at the University of Washington with her comment that she "didn't believe a member of the Marine Corps was an example of the sort of person UW wanted to produce." This commented brought shame and dishonor to not only the UW Student Senate, but also the University as a whole, all its members who have served in the Marine Corps and all Marines past and present.

BE IT RESOLVED BY THE ASSOCIATED STUDENTS OF THE UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON:

THAT

Student Senator Jill Edwards will submit, in writing, a signed apology letter seeking forgiveness to all students, staff, and alumni who are now or ever have served in the United States Marine Corps. In said letter it will contain a formal apology and a recognition that her very rights and freedoms are guaranteed by such members of the armed services, to include the Marine Corps, Army, Navy, Air Force, and Coast Guard, past or present, living or dead. Additionally, said letter will be printed in all its form and substance in that day's edition of the UW Daily newspaper as well as being recited on the UW Radio station. To realize her mistake, she must acquaint herself with the history of the person she is so keen to dismiss, by reading Col. Boyington's book, Baa, Baa, Black Sheep. All of these requirements are mandatory, under pain of losing her seat on the Student Senate.

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