(TX) 'Avoid wearing of uniform' general warns local soldiers


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Drizzt
April 13, 2003, 09:55 PM
Roddy Stinson: 'Avoid wearing of uniform' general warns local soldiers


Web Posted : 04/13/2003 12:00 AM

"If possible, avoid wearing of the uniform when dining in public places."
— From a "Protective Measures Awareness" notice sent to San Antonio's U.S. Army personnel by Maj. Gen. Darrel R. Porr on Friday

April 11, 2003, will be remembered as one of the saddest dates in Alamo City history.

Because of recent instances of harassment of uniformed personnel, Porr, the commanding general at Fort Sam Houston, felt compelled to warn the men and women who serve under him to use caution when traveling, shopping and dining in San Antonio.

"Two separate incidents against military personnel have occurred," Porr reported. "In the first incident, two males on the city's Northeast Side made threatening gestures and pounded on the car window of a drill sergeant and his spouse while they were on their way home.

"The second incident involved two sailors, in uniform, who were accosted by several males who said, 'You'd better not go to war,' as they departed a River Walk restaurant."

Porr provided this possible explanation for the hostile actions:

"There has been a significant increase of demonstrations throughout the United States in opposition to the ongoing U.S.-led military operations in Iraq.

"As individuals voice their opinions against military operations, they tend to direct their frustrations toward governmental and military symbols."

On receiving a copy of the notice from an anonymous e-mailer, I called Fort Sam to ask for more details about the incidents, in general, and the harassers, in particular.

A post spokesman indicated that more information was available, but declined "to go there."

He then made a point of emphasizing:

"Soldiers here in San Antonio have always proudly worn their uniform because of the support for the military.

"Previously, there has never been any perceived threat. This is quite unusual.

"Even during Vietnam, San Antonio was one community that supported the military forces.

"That's one reason the general put that notice out ... because (such harassment) is so unusual in this community."

The notice included cautions other than the warning not to wear uniforms when dining in San Antonio restaurants.

Porr also recommended:

"Be cognizant of people who gather and voice their sentiments against the military efforts in Iraq. Do not get involved."

"When in public facilities, soldiers should avoid conversations related to work or military operations in general."

"Always practice the 'Buddy System' when traveling."

"When in uniform, minimize the number of stops when traveling from home to work or vice versa. Wear civilian clothing when possible."

There you have it: San Antonio, Texas, anno Domini 2003, in all its un-glory.

What's worse ...

Community leaders continue to show pitifully little support for U.S. soldiers.

Example in point:

City officials have been mute as mice since troops entered Iraq. (The San Antonio City Council, which regularly passes resolutions honoring everything from the Dallas Cowboys to Hike and Bike Week, has deigned only to observe "a moment of silence" for the troops and their families.)

Add to that palpable hush the rants of the town's Saddam Hussein apologists, and "Military City USA" can easily degenerate into a South Texas backwater, where men and women in uniform can't safely wear their uniforms in public.

"Sad" hardly describes such a miserable state of affairs.

Fortunately, all of the news surrounding the recent threats isn't dreary.

One unofficial source I talked to said he had seen the police report of the incident on the River Walk, and he provided this description of the confrontation:

"Some Marines who were nearby saw what was happening and went to the sailors' aid.

"The matter was then taken care of by combined military action."

http://news.mysanantonio.com/story.cfm?xla=saen&xlb=1380&xlc=979366

:cuss: :banghead:
I always thought San Antonio was such a nice town. Oh well!

I can't believe this is happening in Texas! There must be some of the Austin fruitcakes headed south down I-35. (We probably scared them out of town at our last 'Support The Troops' rally ;) )

...and hey, no wisecracks about the Marines having to wade into the fray to bail out the sailor.....

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Blackhawk
April 13, 2003, 10:00 PM
:barf:

Drizzt
April 13, 2003, 10:03 PM
.... but here's a t-shirt somone in S.A. is selling, so at least SOMEONE there is supporting the troops....

http://mediaservice.photoisland.com/auction/Apr/20034134054965677031214.jpg

http://mediaservice.photoisland.com/auction/Apr/20034136229305467428323.jpg

trying to keep things civil, so I didn't post the actual pics

Sir Galahad
April 13, 2003, 11:40 PM
And some people wonder how I can say that Mohammed (the man who helped save PFC Lynch) is ALREADY a better American than some "Americans" who were born here.

Desertdog
April 13, 2003, 11:49 PM
They should go out in full uniform, including 1911 .45 caliber sidearm, if legally possible. :D
If they can't do that, then use the buddy system, 1 puny guy in uniform, 6 burley guys in civvies nearby.:rolleyes:

CZ-75
April 14, 2003, 12:56 AM
Desertdog beat me to it: issue them sidearms when going into hostile territory.

jsalcedo
April 14, 2003, 05:21 AM
I live in San Antonio and there have been no incidents
of note.

Since we have 5 bases just in SA alone I see military personnel
constantly everywhere I go.

Folks in SA are very proud of our miltary tradition and even the most bleeding heart liberal politicians in this city have very close ties to the bases, soliders and civilian base workers.

The story is complete rabble rousing bull.

It must be due to some homeland security crap.

I watch the local news daily and I haven't seen reports of organized protest or criticism of our role in Iraq.

As for the Austin fruitcakes driving down to SA...
they would encounter a lot more "harassment" than any solider.

TheeBadOne
April 14, 2003, 07:58 AM
And some people wonder how I can say that Mohammed (the man who helped save PFC Lynch) is ALREADY a better American than some "Americans" who were born here.
AMEN!

Azrael256
April 14, 2003, 11:08 AM
Don't wear your uniform to a bar while I'm around unless you want to get really, really drunk on my dime. I find this rather difficult to believe.

spacemanspiff
April 14, 2003, 01:42 PM
threats of violence from "peace" activists, that are actually cowards, acting out because they have no fear of retribution.

do you think citizens of germany would behave this way 70 years ago? they were scared feces-less of the secret police agencies that kept tabs on anyone who voiced opinions different than that of the Nazi regime. they feared retribution.

"Americans" today, don't. somethings not right.

Leatherneck
April 14, 2003, 03:46 PM
This may be a DoD-wide warning. We got a similar caution last week; seems two military wives have been verbally attacked by these scum. And I use that term advisedly, because while I respect any citizen's right to be for or agin' the war, I most assuredly had better not be around when a service spouse or child gets treated like this. Shades of Vietnam! :fire:

TC
TFL Survivor

Drjones
April 14, 2003, 05:04 PM
Tell 'em not to go out without sidearm.

Directions to defend their life if necessary.

El Tejon
April 14, 2003, 06:10 PM
In Saint Tony??? WTH? Saint Tony, Tejas?

I was just there. You can't swing a dead cat without hitting a "Support Our Troops" poster or flag in a bar, er, I mean, library.

BOBE
April 14, 2003, 07:01 PM
I am in favor of the "buddy system" suggested above. Get ten to twenty buddies, all in uniform, go down town and see if any of these brave souls react.
The guys at Lackland basic training don't have civies in their posession unless the rules have changed sinse '53. What are they to do the few times they are allowed off base?:cuss:

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