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Jack19
February 15, 2006, 08:10 PM
About twenty/twenty-five +/- years ago someone imported a Russian ballistic knife that launched the blade from the grip.

Does anyone remember what the knife was called or who imported it?

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hso
February 15, 2006, 08:27 PM
There have been numerous "importers" of the "Spetsnatz knife". There was even a baton version that came with grapnel and other silly bits.

Having one is a felony.

50 Freak
February 15, 2006, 08:27 PM
It was called a Spetsnaz (sp?) knife.

Interested little knick knack. There was even a US company that made pretty good reproductions about 12 years ago. Hard to find one on the market as they are big collector peices now. Not to mention they are illegal in most states.

1 old 0311
February 15, 2006, 08:37 PM
The U.S. version was sold without the spring installed, thus 'legal'

Kevin

mrmeval
February 15, 2006, 11:42 PM
It depends on state law. Here it's a misdemeanor.

There have been numerous "importers" of the "Spetsnatz knife". There was even a baton version that came with grapnel and other silly bits.

Having one is a felony.

alwilliam
May 21, 2006, 02:23 PM
The USA mfg "russian spring knife" in the pic has nothing to do with russian special forces or the real spetznaz issue knife that fires a silent round and is a real rare device.

This was all just marketing BS by the florida knife company about the whole russian thing.

I knew a real spetznaz that lived next door to me with his family.

I asked him about a lot of items like this knife and the shovel etc...He knew nothing of the spring type knife what so ever... but told me about their shooting knife and other very cool items .

The shovel is a real item that they used a lot FWIW. In fact he gave me his issue shovel and its cover...the real shovels are nothing like the cold steel copy.

The US made spring fired knives were sold under names like "KGB" or "Spetznaz" knife. Also called "Springblade", "Florida Knife", "Bloody Mary", "Flying Dutchman", "Ballistic knife".

It was offered in three configurations,there was one with a blade, one with a baton/mace, and one with a grappling hook. On all three the implement was under spring pressure and would shoot off of the handle when a lever was pressed. It became illegal to sell the knife version with a spring (called a Pilum knife), but without a spring it IS LEGAL to buy and sell. The baton and grapple version are 100% legal even with a spring.

These knives were MFG by the Florida Knife co, Spy Knife co. They were sold by various catalogs, including Edge Knife co, Phoenix Systems, and Southern Ordnance (SouthOrd). Prices were as low as $60.

They work OK and would auto stab a person no question.I fired one and it went into a beef side about 3 inches... but are very hard to load with the correct spring and quality went way down as time passed until they were just a shadow of their original quality...the lock is very dangerous as its a hair trigger when the pin is not in its place.

1911JMB
May 21, 2006, 02:50 PM
Here in michigan they are legal as long as they don't resemble a pocket knife. Also, due to federal law, you can't get them interstate. I wanted one, but due to the federal restrictions making it difficult if not impossible to get one, I settled making for a little pipe with a recoil spring in it that launches a big nail. Never worked right, but at least I tried.

jerkyman45
May 21, 2006, 02:58 PM
All I know is that its illegal to own here in RI. Then again so is a lot of stuff.


The only place I've seen that thing used is in Commando when the Governator shot it into some guy near a guardhouse.

mrtgbnkr
May 21, 2006, 06:25 PM
"Ballistic Knives" ie. one that launches the blade from the handle are illegal. Period. Federal law.

armoredman
May 21, 2006, 06:45 PM
Link?

Kingcreek
May 22, 2006, 10:12 AM
wasn't the Russian "ballistic knife" eventually replaced by the Ukranian "nuclear knife"?
(sorry, couldn't resist)
I remember seeing those things at gun shows years ago. knives without springs for sale on the table- springs for sale seperately under the table.
I don't remember being much impressed with them.

1911JMB
May 22, 2006, 11:25 AM
"Ballistic Knives" ie. one that launches the blade from the handle are illegal. Period. Federal law."

Guess again. Heres what the federal law says:

(a) Prohibition and penalties for possession, manufacture, sale, or importation
Whoever in or affecting interstate commerce, within any Territory or possession of the United States, within Indian country (as defined in section 1151 of title 18), or within the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States (as defined in section 7 of title 18), knowingly possesses, manufactures, sells, or imports a ballistic knife shall be fined as provided in title 18, or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

Heres a link to a thread I started due to my desire to get a ballistic knife:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=183281

GrammatonCleric
May 24, 2006, 05:15 AM
These little gadgets are cool. Punisher killed Harry Heck with one in the 2004 movie.

alwilliam
May 24, 2006, 11:18 AM
That was a movie TYPE prop..made from a nato type cheapie OTF.

mrtgbnkr
May 24, 2006, 06:54 PM
Guess again. Heres what the federal law says:

(a) Prohibition and penalties for possession, manufacture, sale, or importation
Whoever in or affecting interstate commerce, within any Territory or possession of the United States, within Indian country (as defined in section 1151 of title 18), or within the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States (as defined in section 7 of title 18), knowingly possesses, manufactures, sells, or imports a ballistic knife shall be fined as provided in title 18, or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.


I know it says "in or affecting interstate commerce", but in case you haven't been paying attention EVERYTHING affects interstate commerce these days...and at some point, that thing crossed a state line.

madmike
January 23, 2008, 01:13 AM
I knew a real spetznaz that lived next door to me with his family.

Hmm...are you sure? There's a lot of "Real" Navy SEALs I run into every day.

Ballistic knives are the subject of some legal discussion in IN at the moment.

alwilliam
January 23, 2008, 01:50 AM
He was the real deal.....and if not..he was one dangerous and skilled wannabe.:evil:

I never could get down the razor blade throwing Techniques that he was trying to teach me but I did learn a lot of other very cool skills.

I did draw the line at the freezeing water cleansing he was so fond of in the middle of sub-zero winter.;)

I still have the OTK proof marked shovel he gave me and throw it a few times each year.


BTW...if you ever want to call a fake seal out....these guys are a bunch of real deal ex-cia and special ops dudes that love to root out fakes. http://www.socnetcentral.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=199

mrmeval
January 23, 2008, 03:33 AM
There's a lot of "Real" Navy SEALs I run into every day.

How much does the car wash charge you to get the icky bits off? :-D

madmike
January 23, 2008, 08:22 AM
veriseal.org is who I check with. But I can usually get them with three questions.

wheelgunslinger
January 23, 2008, 05:32 PM
I'll bite.
What three questions?
:)

Dravur
January 24, 2008, 12:41 PM
The Punisher used one on Harry Heck... Actually, that was a movie prop and not a true ballista knife. It looked like an angel blade with an air compressed charge.

The only time I ever saw a "true" ballista knife used in film or TV was on the Edward woodward show, the Equalizer. Oddly enough, he used it on Adam Ant who was playing the bad guy and proving that he couldn't act his way out of a paper bag.

The Equalizer fired it into Adam's chest. Looked pretty cool.

helikaon
November 20, 2010, 09:52 PM
the knife is caled a balistic knife.
its somtimes called the "russian balistic knife" cause it was used as the spetsnatz close combat wepon.
it is NOT a spring loaded knife, if you have one and its springloaded than you got ripped off, they are air compressed, its more reliable and they can be fired twice as far, and there is no sping to decompress over time.
they have a pull pin similar to a grenade, and (depending on make) a button to release a short burst of gas to fire the blade/ a lever that would be the same size and shape but moving it 1/4 of an inch triggers it (same concept as a button system)
hope that answered you question.

alwilliam
November 20, 2010, 09:58 PM
Do you have pics to back up what you say ? With all due respect ...you know not what you are talking about.

Carl N. Brown
November 20, 2010, 10:10 PM
Launching a knife blade is like throwing a knife or tomahawk: if you miss, you are disarmed and you may have armed your target with the blade or tomahawk if they can retrieve it.

madmike
November 20, 2010, 11:21 PM
They were never Russian, never used by Spetznaz, and not powered by compressed gas.

Hope that answer your questions.;)

19-3Ben
November 20, 2010, 11:33 PM
Brought back from the dead three times!!!! That's some serious thread necromancy!

Any comment on the Spestnaz knife shown on the show "Deadliest Warrior"?

madmike
November 20, 2010, 11:36 PM
From what I've seen of that show, it's 50% history and 50% fantasy.

hso
November 21, 2010, 12:59 AM
Compressed air???

No

zignal_zero
November 21, 2010, 08:45 AM
ALWILLIAM is dead on (afaik) and i grew up in FL at the height of the "Russian Ballistic Knife" craze. unfortunately, my parents drew the line at projectile blades :( my guns were cool, my switchblades were cool, but NO ballistic knives. oh well, i had it better than most 14 yr olds :D

here's a tidbit some might not know - people were getting charged, in FL, under the "ballistic knife" statute for having SWITCHBLADES. the verbage was revised in July 2003 (i believe) to prevent further misinterpretation of the statute.

mustang_steve
November 21, 2010, 12:06 PM
Pffft, everyone here is wrong, they were powered by my ego.

helikaon
November 21, 2010, 02:20 PM
here are the attachments, the first one shows the pull pin, second shows the button the you press.
i will continue serching for the compressed gas one, but so far im only rinding the spring one, so im going to admit in avance that i may be wrong about people being riped off, but i know there are compressed gas ones out there, it might have been custom but i will attempt to find it.

madmike
November 21, 2010, 02:54 PM
Looks exactly like the US made ones that claimed to be Russian and weren't.

The "pneumatic" ones were a pre-emptive attempt at banning other designs, and wound up conflicting with spearguns.

JoergS
November 21, 2010, 03:16 PM
I still have my home made ballistic knife... and it is part Russian, as the blade is from an AK 47 bayonet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVQpbFOxTbo

Slips through a loophole in German law!

Zombiphobia
November 21, 2010, 05:11 PM
so what are the 3 disproving questions?

madmike
November 21, 2010, 06:25 PM
That would be telling.:) Just some stuff that anyone in spec ops would know, and a lot of other vets can figure out. The posers won't know, though.

I caught one out once because he didn't know what type of parachute the military uses for static line jumps. Bozo.

Zombiphobia
November 21, 2010, 07:55 PM
of course it'd have to be questions only the tru deal would know.


But then again, they're not allowed to talk about such things. That's why they're the only ones who know.

madmike
November 21, 2010, 07:58 PM
Well, that's one clear indication. "I'm not supposed to talk about this, but..."

ANYONE who's ever had a clearance knows that if you're not supposed to talk about it, you DON'T TALK ABOUT IT.

ironhead7544
November 22, 2010, 05:38 PM
There was a company in Merritt Island FL in 1984. I stopped into his gunshop while passing through. He showed me is newly designed knife he was making and said the Spetznaz used a similar one. It came with a baton type cover that could be used if you did not want to use the blade. The thing had a huge spring and he had a hell of of time loading it. He demoed for me by firing it at a piece of 3/4 in plywood at 15 feet or so. It penetrated the wood with about 1 inch of blade sticking through. Said it wasnt available yet as there was some question about it being legal because of the spring.

AK103K
November 22, 2010, 09:32 PM
I had one of the knives ironhead described above. Bought it out of Shotgun News back in '85 for about $100 if I remember right. The sold them unrestricted, or at least at first they did.

Overall, it was fairly well made, except for the "trigger". Mostly it was aluminum, with a steel bayonet type blade. You could fire it with or without the baton cover. It did use a very heavy spring, and it was a bear to "load", and once loaded, it was a scary thing to have in your hand, as the "trigger" was easily bumped off, if the grenade pin safety was not in place.

Mine would stick into sheet rock at 10', but would barely stick in a sheet of plywood, or any wood, at the same distance. It was "supposed" to kill at 30+ feet, and I suppose maybe it could, in the unlikely event all the stars and planets just happened to be aligned precisely, and it were to hit something vital at that distance. Still, I wouldnt want to be on the receiving end of it. It was actually pretty cool, and I wish now I hadnt traded it off.

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