Armscor 1911a1


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9mmhpfan
February 15, 2006, 10:13 PM
I was wondering if anyone here owns an Armsocr 1911a1 I have seen them advertised for $459.00 on gunsamerica.com and was wondering if this was a good price for them. I understand that Armscor also makes the Rock Island GI 1911a1 which is the economy model of their line. I hear good things about it so I figure the Armscor 1911a1 must be as good or better. Is the quoted price too high or is it a good deal?

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wally
February 15, 2006, 10:16 PM
Price seems high for around here, when I see them at gun shows they run $330-$360. I think they are a great gun for the money.

Here's a thread with photos I posted when I first got mine:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=113465&highlight=Armscor

--wally.

1911 guy
February 16, 2006, 08:35 AM
They are decent pistols for the money. The price quoted is too high, though. You should be able to beat that by a pretty good amount by seeing a local dealer instead of the auction site.

gazpacho
February 16, 2006, 01:34 PM
They are good guns, but not ones I would base a custome build on. They are excellent for learning how to work on 1911s, because you are less afraid to bugger one up. The RIAs are the cheapest of the line, and should cost $300 to $350. The "fancy" models should cost about $100 to $150 more.

StephenT
February 16, 2006, 01:39 PM
I was lucky and picked an Armscor 1911A1 (with the beaver grip, fancy safety, etc.) at a gun show for $300 out the door. For that price, I didn't expect much, but this Armscor works very well and has never jammed.

Rotorflyr
February 16, 2006, 01:46 PM
I recently checked with a local dealer and was told Armscor branded 1911's have been discontinued, though the RIA versions are still available.
From reading on some 1911 forums it sounds like the Armscor will be sold under the RIA stamp in the (very near) future. As I read it, this is due to the Rock Island name being more marketable.
Also if you don't want to wait the Charles Daly Field model is the same gun as the Armscor, sold by a KBI and at a (slightly) higher price.

VinnyT
February 16, 2006, 01:54 PM
High Standard is also under the Armscor name. I got one of those for $350 and shoots awesome. Great gun for the $$$.

Tropical Z
February 16, 2006, 03:35 PM
I'd get an RIA from here.
www.classicarms.us

Furncliff
February 16, 2006, 08:30 PM
TropicalZ.....whoa, good call on classic arms price for RIA. They even have a chrome model.

yodar
February 16, 2006, 08:59 PM
IF ARMSCOR is discontinuing/closing out

WHY ARE THEY ADVERTISING ARMSCOR COMPONENTS IN SHOTGUN NEWS?
bbls ~$39.00 frames ~$100.00 iirc (ffl ) slides ~$89.00

the rest of the parts can be got from SARCOINC.COM for a pittance

Yodar

Rotorflyr
March 20, 2006, 05:44 AM
Yodar,
Read what I wrote again, I didn't say that Armscor was going out of business, just that they would no longer be selling (complete) 1911's under the Armscor name, they are simply changing the production 1911's to the Rock Island Armory (RIA) roll mark.

wally
March 20, 2006, 08:45 AM
I think its the Bushmaster business model. They will sell you the complete gun or whatever parts you want to make it "your way".

--wally.

mpthole
March 20, 2006, 08:57 AM
Sarco (http://www.sarcoinc.com/rockislands.html) also carries the RIA and will give a price break on 2 or more.

Mad Magyar
March 20, 2006, 01:07 PM
I prefer a well-trained and educated work force to make and assemble my pistols, such as in Europe or Korea. Not in the Philippines...Am I ethnocentric? Perhaps, but just stating the obvious...Philippino productivity & quality doesn't measure up...

rbernie
March 20, 2006, 01:38 PM
Am I ethnocentric? Yes. Not only not The High Road, but flat out wrong.

wally
March 20, 2006, 01:45 PM
Philippino productivity & quality doesn't measure up....

Based on the Armscor made guns I have (2 Charles Daly, 4 Armscor, 1 RIA) I'd strongly dispute this. You have to pay at least 2X as much for the low end Kimbers to get as good a 1911 trigger out of the box as came on my Armscors (once could be a fluke, but mine are all equally good).

Fit of the locking lugs and barrel bushing is definitey better than average. Seems to me they put the effort into where it really matters and do passable on the cosmetics to hit the price point.

Far better guns than any Llama I've ever handled, and at least a good a 1911 compared to my Colts, and as my FEG 9HP is compared to my FN Browning.

--wally.

Mad Magyar
March 20, 2006, 02:23 PM
I'll stand by my comments....Overall, the best pistols that the Philippines can produce are medicocre compared to their European counterparts. Why do you think they are made/assembled in the Islands? For the climate? CHEAP LABOR SUPPLY! SHORTCUTS, POOR QUALITY CONTROL!
If I had a Chas. Daly, R.I.A., etc, naturally, I would also defend it into a spiraling, doomed conclusion....There is a large market for cheaply made pistols, especially in the 3rd World countries & the U.S.
Sorry, the fit & finish are not up to par and would take far too much money for customizing...

wally
March 20, 2006, 05:41 PM
I've spent way more money on the ammo (Wolf FMJ and my own cast lead reloads) that I've shot thru my Charles Daly EMS and RIA that I did on the guns. How much more quality do you want? They sure meet my operational definition of "quality" and bang for the buck.

--wally.

orangeninja
March 20, 2006, 05:43 PM
They seem well made.

horge
March 20, 2006, 05:58 PM
Mad Magyar,


"Why are the pistols made in the Philippines?"
Because the company was founded there.
Armscor traces its beginnings to 1910, manufacturing rifles.
It started manufacturing pistols in the 1980's.

A Filipino company making firearms primarily for Filipinos.
Now, where would it make the most sense to build them?
Not everyone outsources...

You've already been told that new Armscors shoot well and reliably,
and a quick review of user comments at the vaious 1911 boards will
echo the sentiment. They work. If they're not pretty enough for you,
then say so ---but your comment:

"Philippino (sic) productivity & quality doesn't measure up"

is pretty low-road.


If 'European counterparts' are so superior, then compare Armscors
to a European 1911: The Tanfoglio 1911 is one of the few such.
You might be surprised.

h.

orangeninja
March 20, 2006, 06:05 PM
Brazil has likewise cheap labor. It is after all, a third world country. That being said, every Taurus I have owned has been good....the last two NEW Taurus I've owned have been exceptional, on par with S&W. How is it that a barefoot, third world, uneducated factory worker can beat out an American, with a highschool diploma and union membership?

(BTW: The tone of this is meant to be sarcastic...).

Longbow
March 20, 2006, 06:23 PM
I prefer a well-trained and educated work force to make and assemble my pistols, such as in Europe or Korea. Not in the Philippines :what:

Then how come it has loyal followers? Read some of their comments here www.1911forum.com (other 1911 board) These are real owners not some "know it all" guy like you. :mad:
I think they make the best buy in entry level 1911 and its backed by great customer service, heck even their rep post there and is the first one to offer service if something is not right with their product.
As far as their education, most of the ones I know are well educated and works hard for their money.

Johnny Guest
March 20, 2006, 10:51 PM
Closed.

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