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mephisto
April 13, 2003, 10:55 PM
does this stuff suck. I have had 3 jams on my steyr m9, all with wolf. anyone else think this is the worst ammo out there?:fire:

Mephisto:evil:

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444
April 13, 2003, 10:57 PM
Speaking only for myself, no.

WonderNine
April 13, 2003, 11:01 PM
Yes, it sucks. There is much better stuff out there for the same price. Wolf ammo is steel cased :barf: Wolf ammo can have hard primers :barf: Wolf ammo is known for the laquer they use that can gum up your gun and possibly cause a kaboom :barf: Accuracy is negligable :barf:

I avoid all Russian ammo commercial or otherwise.

Try S&B or Winchester Whitebox or something of that nature.

Personally I use Winchester NATO for practice AND carry.

makdaddy03
April 14, 2003, 12:20 AM
I shoot Wolf ammo for plinking> I havent had any trouble with it yet.:neener:

WonderNine
April 14, 2003, 12:30 AM
I havent had any trouble with it yet.

Certainly a glowing review :neener:

444
April 14, 2003, 12:43 AM
I have fired a decent amount of Wolf ammo. I believe I have tried the 9 x 18, 7.62x54R, and .223 Rem. I never had any problem at all with it. I have fired over three cases plus (3000 + rounds) out of my AR15s without any malfunctions of any kind, and I was satisfied with the accuracy of it. I didn't shoot any of it off a bench to test for ultimate accuracy, but for the drills I conducted, the accuracy more than sufficed.
In .223 caliber, the price of Wolf ammo is substantially less than anything else out there that I know of. I can buy a case of Wolf for around $90 at our local gunshows. The second cheapest ammo my local dealer has made me aware of is PMC which is over $150/case. I can handload .223 for about the same price as Wolf, and can spend many hours loading 1000 rounds. I don't shoot Wolf all the time, but I consider it a viable part of my shooting repertoire. The best part is that I don't have to pick up the brass. It is fire and forget. Reliablility in ARs is mixed, but all my ARs have 5.56 chrome lined chambers and it runs flawlessly.
The laquer is not an issue. Laquered ammo has been used for many, many years. Some countries like the former Soviet Union ran millions of rounds of laquered ammo thorugh machine guns and never had a problem; neither have I.
Many people bash Wolf ammo, and I am sure you will get many more negative responses. All I can say is that I have fired thousands of rounds of it and can give you an honest report.

WonderNine
April 14, 2003, 01:36 AM
444, you can buy a 300 round battle pack of the South African .223 (manufactored by ARMSCOR I believe) which is also brass cased for $40 shipped if you look around. It's great stuff, much better than Wolf.

Wolf sucks bigtime.

Airwolf
April 14, 2003, 03:20 AM
Someone once said "Commie gun... Commie ammo".

I have no problems using Wolf in my SKS but based on what seems to been overwhelming negative reports I'd have to be desperately broke or in a SHTF situation to feed my Walther, HK, SA's Wolf.

444
April 14, 2003, 07:37 AM
WonderNine: You have the talking done, but have yet to give one specific incident of your first hand problems with the ammo. Instead you gave us valuable information such as, it sucks. I mentioned that I have fired thousands of rounds of it without problems. Do you really expect me to ignore my own experiences because you say it sucks ? In fact, in every thread like this, I have strong belief that 99% of the people responding are simply repeating what they have read on other threads or have heard from someone else and in fact have never actually tried it. Note in many threads you get answers like, it sucks, but no examples of any experiences. Or, I wouldn't use it unless I was broke, but no examples of why not. Yes when someone who HAS actually used it repsonds, that is ignored. Don't bother me with the facts.
How many rounds are in a battle pack ? Where exactly do you buy this ammo ?

hboy35
April 14, 2003, 09:31 AM
I have burned almost a case of wolf thru my SKS (I understand it isnt a handgun) and have yet experienced any problems. I had heard rumors at gunshops like "dont use that stuff unless you have a shell extractor because the steel cases break and your rifle will just rip off the rim of the case". Yeah, right.

I recently had the opportunity to put the wolf ammo against S&B, some high dollar federal, and some other milsurp ammo in a CZ bolt action in 7.62x39. Had a 3-9 scope and could routinely get 2" groups at 100yds. Pretty good accuracy and reliability for $1.95/box. Of course, with some match ammo in the rifle we could get it under an inch at 100yds. But that stuff costs about 5 times as much.

I agree that those who have some actual experience with wolf ammo will continue to use it. Attributing fault to the ammo and not the user or the weapon without some backup doesnt change my mind.

Snowdog
April 14, 2003, 09:53 AM
Lots of Wolf ammunition from my SKS, no problems there.
No problems from the 109gr 9x18 from my IJ-70 either.

I have had tremendous OL problems with Silverbear's JHPs though, which are made by LVE, just as Wolf.

Matthew_Q
April 14, 2003, 10:07 AM
A buddy's father in law uses Wolf in his Kimber, and manages 1=2 inch groups at 25 feet easy.

The laquer thing is BS, from what I hear. It IS laquered, but it doesn't melt off and gum up your chamber. Someone took a fired case, and hit it with a torch, and nothing bubbled up or melted off.

Jeepin' Lawyer
April 14, 2003, 10:13 AM
I haven't had any problems with Wolf. I sometimes worry a little about the laquer so I do some extra cleaning after using it but for the price I don't think it can be beat. Velocity seems a little low but I have shot alot of it in .223 and 7.62 w/o a problem. I say if you find a good deal on it. . .buy it and shoot it up.

meathammer
April 14, 2003, 10:46 AM
anyone else think this is the worst ammo out there?

Yes.

This is the only ammo my Beretta 96 fails to extract. It is terrible ammunition. It does however function fine in a SKS or AK .

10-Ring
April 14, 2003, 11:28 AM
Stay away from the Wolf!

Tropical Z
April 14, 2003, 11:59 AM
MY guns have NEVER had a problem with wolf ammo.If YOUR guns DO its time to lose those sissy-merry pansies!

iamhistory
April 14, 2003, 12:02 PM
I have fired thousands of rounds of Wolf in a variety of my weapons and have had problems in only my 1911.

At first, during the break-in period, my .45 would fired Wolf without fail. Wolf was one of the few brands I could fire without a hitch. Now that I have over 1,000 rounds through my pistol, I can't fire Wolf without having a FTE on just about every round.

However, I use Wolf in my Glock and it eats the stuff like candy. It works great. I use Wolf in my SKS and AK and have had great results and NEVER, NEVER a jam in any of these three weapons. My brother uses a lot of Wolf in his Colt AR and he has had no problems.

For those guys who say it's dirty.........boo hoo.....clean your weapon, big deal. For those guys who say it's not accurate.......for match, I agree. For hitting center mass, how accurate do you need? For plinking or running drills, it's fine. And the lacquer comments also......lacquered casings are nothing new so why all of a sudden are they this new problem? Answer: They aren't.

Some weapons may be particular. Some are not as particular. I shoot Wolf where/when I can. You won't know unless you try it.

lee n. field
April 14, 2003, 01:08 PM
> Wolf ammo

>does this stuff suck. I have had 3 jams on my steyr m9, all with wolf. anyone else think this is the worst ammo out there.

It varies. I've had no problem w/ SKS fodder. _Big_ time problems with Wolf steel cased .223 sticking in the chamber once things get hot. It broke an extractor on me once, and stuck in my bro.'s NEF single shot so tight I needed to pound on a cleaning rod to remove it.

I'm not tempted to try it in any of my handguns.

Nightcrawler
April 14, 2003, 02:09 PM
It's just about all I ever shot in my AK and about all my friend shoots in his SKS. Neither one of those ever jammed on us.

My CZ-97 ate a box of it just fine. Smells funny, but I don't think it's any crappier than Blazer.

WonderNine
April 14, 2003, 02:40 PM
Wolf ammo is the main reason why I don't look at used semi-autos.

fgr39
April 14, 2003, 03:18 PM
I don't use wolf in my .45's, just don't like the thought of a steel case in them and I reload cheaper than I could buy it, however I do use it in my SKS and in my 91/30 no probs and don't feel bad using it.

standingbear
April 14, 2003, 08:45 PM
dont like the idea of steel cased ammo riding up my feedramp.dont see how it could be good for it.for sks,it seems ok but i wont use it on anything that has a ramp or is not made to handle hotter than usual loads on a continued basis.wolf is hotter=more wear.steel cased=more wear on feed ramps/chambers and extractors...my .02 cents

Walt Sherrill
April 15, 2003, 11:26 AM
For the guns which were designed to use the Soviet-style steel-cased, lacquer-coated ammo, it works great. That's why you'll hear glowing reviews from the folks who use it in their military surplus weapons (AK-47s, SKSs, etc.)

For guns made to tighter tolerances, it can be a problem. And most modern handguns have tigher tolerance. The lacquer coating, when the gun gets hot, tends to deposit in the chambers, and the steel cases can lead to extractor failures.

When the has cooled and you try to extract a "glued" (perhaps unfired, but frequently fired) cartridge, you often have a problem. I've seen folks drive the cases out with wooden dowels. (They were prepared!)

I've not seen that's its particularly inaccurate, but I have personally seen it jam up several handguns... The lacquer is hard to clear/clean. Of all the folks I know who used to use it and swear by it, none now use it, and most swear at it...

Pain
April 15, 2003, 02:20 PM
I bought 1 box and that will be the last box I'll ever buy.... i fired 3 rds. and Stovepipe....fired three more and it just plain failed to fire. Since my pistol is a DA i pulled the trigger again...still no Bang..tried 1 time still no bang, ejected the rnd and the rest of the box is sitting on the shelf. I had the same problem with the winchester "winclean" ammo. Speer Gold dots never had a single problem.

John G
April 15, 2003, 02:37 PM
Wolf shoots fine for me. I don't like the green color of the cases, but who cares? Its cheap stuff, and great for practice. My BHP works great with Wolf ammo. Last week I had some trouble with surplus Greek .303 rounds. I was getting lots of hangfires. Click-bang! Oh well, it doesn't happen often, and I've got hundreds of rounds of this stuff (Christmas gift from Dad.)

benewton
April 15, 2003, 05:08 PM
I'm supporting the MAC-90/AK47 types in saying that I don't even bother to reload for the 7.62x39, since I can buy Wolf cheaper than I could reload it.

But I don't trust the steel cases either, and Oly Arms has a "don't use it in AR's" warning, so I doubt that I'd use it in any but com block weapons.

Cheap ones, at that!

M2HMGHB
April 15, 2003, 07:14 PM
I've never had problem out of the Nagant's and my sks. I've put about 800 or so rounds of wolf through the SKS and it ate it up fine, however I found bits and pieces of the lacquer everywhere including the trigger group. It wasnt a major problem but it was annoying. I put some 150 rounds of Wolf(including some i reloaded) through my Springfield Armory Mil-Spec without a problem. Then I started having problems with extraction and the extractor was worn out. Not a big deal as I just bought another one but I had no problems untill I shot the Wolf ammo(I had previously fired some 500 rounds through the pistol). So I now stick to the "Commie ammo for commie guns" adage. Oh and Carb cleaner works great on the lacquer(least for me it has)

sig970
April 16, 2003, 11:49 AM
I've put 2000 rounds of 9mm 115gr through my Sig, 500 .40 rounds through my Beretta, and 500 .45 rounds through my Kimber.

2 failure total in the Kimber. I only use it at the range.

I don't clean anymore than I normally would.

The gun powder in made with 5% stinkbomb, but I think that the number speak for themselves when it comes to cheap range ammo

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