[poe_9999]

take a look at this auction.
http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=43903199

[earthworm]

They can stick the gun,the two grand & a feather up their a***s & we'll both be tickled to death.

[Majic]

Some people place high values on Blood Guns.

[c_yeager]

Huh, this was put up quite awhile ago, it looks like it didnt sell and they are relisting it.

I really dont see anything wrong with this. Yes, the pistol was used for an immoral purpose, but it is still just a pistol, a pistol with an interesting story behind it. I dont think that makes it worth two grand, but it doesnt make the seller "wrong" it just makes them a bit optimistic.

[Optical Serenity]

Crazy stuff I tell you. Amazes me that someone would want to own this gun for that type of money.

[Maxwell]

Well, theres 3 ways I could think of to look at this:

1) Its just a gun. The model itself dosnt seem to be a collectable, so this piece of metal is not worth the asking price.

2) Many pro-gun would find it distasteful to buy a weapon they knew was used in a crime, much less tout that fact with letters of verification.

3) Kenneth who? Never heard of him. Might have some value to local collectors with a flair for its morbid history, but still at $2000.

[Optical Serenity]

You've never heard of Kenneth Bianchi? Wow...well:

http://www.hillside-strangler.com/hillside_strangler-bianchi_001.htm

http://www.hillside-strangler.com/pics/bianchi_mugshot.jpg

[CAS700850]

I think it has value as an educational/museum piece. Woulnd't consider bidding personally for it. It should be donated to a quality museum where it can be stored properly and used for educational purposes. What educational value? To educate as to what some killers can and have done in pursuit of their goals, kind of like reading the books of John Douglas about the cases he worked on while an FBI profiler. It is wise to study the methods of one's enemies (why I visit the gun control web pages on occassion).

[orionengnr]

I contacted them and asked if it violated any of their policies. I said that I thought that it reflected poorly on GB and on responsible gun owners.

I received a response. In essence the respondent agreed with my position, but since it did not violate any of GB's policies...

[Merkin.Muffley]

It's overpriced.

[Maxwell]

Err, was this weapon actually used in a killing? (I read the link, but it dosnt specificly mention a shooting)


Its still morally wrong, I agree, but its not against the law.

I'm curious as to where the funds for this sale are going. If the money was going to a good cause, the victems families for example, it might almost be a good idea.... Altho they probly wouldnt be too happy with a buyer whos out to idolize the killer or profiteer off this tragedy.

[BowStreetRunner]

I doubt its the same gun.
BSR

[carpettbaggerr]

And the guy selling it should take a remedial course in grammar.

's please. Or maybe s' if he means both of the Hillside Stranglers.

Either way, far too creepy to own...........

[gezzer]

Don't buy any mausers, enfields, 91/30's, garands, ec. they might be BL0OD guns. It's a stupid collector thing morals do not even enter it.:banghead:

[horge]

Originally posted by gezzer
Don't buy any mausers, enfields, 91/30's, garands, ec. they might be BL0OD guns. It's a stupid collector thing morals do not even enter it.
:banghead:


Some might hold fighting for one's country to be a mite different from serial killings.
But, to each his own.

[Atticus]

Does the high bidder get to shoot Kenneth Bianchi? No? Rats!

[1 old 0311]

You mean my SKS could have been fired in anger:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

Kevin

[c_yeager]

Some might hold fighting for one's country to be a mite different from serial killings.
But, to each his own.

Except that Mausers and Mosins could just have easily been used to excecute noble heros and subjugate the innocent. We are getting big groups of Yugo guns that could easily have been used in some form of Ethnic cleansing.

[Justin]

I really wish the stupid thing would sell, because I'm getting tired of seeing this topic pop up every two weeks.

[horge]

Except that Mausers and Mosins could just have easily been used to excecute noble heros and subjugate the innocent. We are getting big groups of Yugo guns that could easily have been used in some form of Ethnic cleansing.

Hi c_yeager :)

Yes, it is possible.
And if I knew a specific Mauser or Mosin HAD been used in ethnic cleansing,
and was furthermore being sold/touted SPECIFICALLY as having actually been
used for ethnic cleansing, I would have the same reservations.

----

Hi Justin,

My first time to see such a thread as this myself, and the issues around it
are substantive for many people, apparently. It's still gun related, just like
those periodic zombie/bear threads.

;)

[Justin]

Horge, that's why I haven't locked it. :)

[Standing Wolf]

I really wish the stupid thing would sell, because I'm getting tired of seeing this topic pop up every two weeks.

Yep. On the proverbial "bright side," this site seems to attract plenty of new people to whom this may well be new news. As well as I can discern, most news is about the same, but then, I seem to be turning a bit jaded in my second childhood.

[AK-74me]

this gun is worse than the Energizer bunny......... it keeps going and going and.....

[Maxwell]

Used weapons are a mixed bag.
You could buy a ww2 garand that never killed anyone just as easily as you could pickup a recent target pistol that was just used to murder a guys family in cold blood. Theres no way to know for sure unless someone tells you, is there?

Its curious how people can get squeamish about a weapons history.
If this gun was priced normally, without the letter or the hoopla (lets say they just hinted the weapon might have been used in a crime), how many here would still not want it?

[M-Rex]

Used weapons are a mixed bag.
You could buy a ww2 garand that never killed anyone just as easily as you could pickup a recent target pistol that was just used to murder a guys family in cold blood. Theres no way to know for sure unless someone tells you, is there?

Its curious how people can get squeamish about a weapons history.
If this gun was priced normally, without the letter or the hoopla (lets say they just hinted the weapon might have been used in a crime), how many here would still not want it?

If it could be independently verified that it did belong to Ken Bianchi, I'd like to have it for my collection for police lore/history's sake. However, it does appear to be very overpriced.

[doublebarrel]

Some might hold fighting for one's country to be a mite different from serial killings.
But, to each his own.

Agreed...

[whm1974]

Bianchi

Isn't there a holster maker by that name...?

I would have qualms about owning weapons used in murder. Used in war no, but murder I would I feel funny about owning it.

-Bill

[gezzer]

It is an inanimate object, it killed no one by itself. How come german pistols from the high Nazi's have sold for so much? Immoral no, sick mabey

[Russ]

I lived in the PRK when this SOB was on the prowl. I was in my early 20's . I knew lots of girls who were scared to death because of this trash person.

He actually strangled people. I think the more appropriate auction for this clown would be to chop off his hands and sell those. Why is this guy still alive? I could have sworn they sentenced the stinking murdering dirt bag to death.

[3rdpig]

This is nothing new. The most valuable gun in the world is, or at least it was the last time I checked, the 2 dollar derringer that was used to kill Lincoln.

It's an unpleasant fact of life, but guns that were used in notorious crimes are considered to be more valuable than another identical piece.

Jesse Jame's mother is reputed to have bought quite a number of revolvers after Jesse's death and sold them, at highly inflated prices, as "Jesse's own gun".

[whm1974]

Jesse Jame's mother is reputed to have bought quite a number of revolvers after Jesse's death and sold them, at highly inflated prices, as "Jesse's own gun".

I would feel somewhat odd at least to profit from my kid's death in that manner. If she used the money to take care of his(did he have any?) then mayby that isn't so bad.

-Bill

[MillCreek]

I recently read a couple of books on serial killers that I had found while browsing at the library. Much to my surprise, there is a well-known phenomenon called 'murderabilia' in which people buy things that have been owned or created by famous criminals. The growth of the Internet has really facilitated this marketplace. As an example, before he was finally executed, John Wayne Gacy, a serial murderer from the Chicago area, sold paintings that he had done while in prison. People have sold clothing allegedly worn by Charles Manson. Apparently, there are even eBay auctions for this sort of thing nowadays. Amazing.

And yet, no one wants to buy my used socks or out-of-focus pictures of the family cat. Hmmph.