Two 45 mm semiautomatic pistols stolen


April 14, 2003, 12:17 AM

Friday, April 11, 2003


Guns, night gear stolen at fairgrounds
Thieves may have had knowledge of vendors, building, security measures

Trinity Hartman
Staff writer

Fourteen semiautomatic handguns as well as night-vision equipment were stolen from a gun show at the Spokane County Fair and Expo Center over the weekend.

The theft appeared to have been well-orchestrated by someone with knowledge of the vendors, building and security routine, according to those familiar with the case.

About $8,000 worth of guns and other equipment were stolen.

The thieves lifted coverings on the tables, selected specific guns and replaced the coverings so that it appeared nothing had been taken. In one case, a cord looped through the guns as an added security measure was cut.

The Spokane County Sheriff's Office did not find any evidence of a forced entry and it's unclear how the thieves got in and out of the locked building, said sheriff's spokesman Cpl. Dave Reagan.

The three victims did not realize the theft had occurred until they came in Saturday morning and removed the covers from their tables.

"It doesn't look like a quick smash and grab," one of the theft victims said.

The man, who asked not to be named for fear of additional theft, had two 45 mm semiautomatic pistols worth a total of about $650 taken. He said he's long worried that night security at the event is inadequate.

The case has been assigned to detectives.

"Our fear is (the guns) are going to be sold on the street to people who don't care if they're stolen," Reagan said.

The weekend Spokane Gun and Old West show was promoted and organized by Lewis and Clark Traders of Lewiston. Owner Paul Snider said he's put on 48 gun shows at the fairgrounds without incident over the past eight years.

"I've never had this happen before. It's an unfortunate situation," Snider said.

The April gun show is usually the largest of the six Snider holds at the fairgrounds each year. Typically, the shows attract between 250 and 400 vendors, Snider said.

Snider guesses somebody was hiding in the building and stole the guns and night-vision equipment at night when the security officers were in a different part of the building.

Snider said he's required to use the fairground's Crowd Management Services, a private security firm. The Sheriff's Office said two security officers were on duty throughout the night, one patrolling outside and the other inside. Fair Director Dolly Hughes said she couldn't confirm the exact number.

The level of security is determined by an agreement between the event promoter and fairground management, Hughes said.

The Sheriff's Office wants more security for future gun shows, Reagan said.

Hughes said the fairgrounds staff will review security in light of the recent theft.

Snider and Hughes said they don't yet know whose insurance companies will compensate the victims.

Snider said at this point he plans to go ahead with another gun show at the fairgrounds in June. Hughes said it's likely new security requirements will be in place before the next show.

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April 14, 2003, 12:41 AM
Wow! 45mm eh?

Could probably shoot down airliners with them pistols :neener:

George Hill
April 14, 2003, 12:47 AM
45MM Pistols? JUDAS PRIEST!!!!:what:


Must be some JD Jones, John Taffin colaboration.

April 14, 2003, 12:55 AM
Wow!! 45 mm pistol, which is something like 180 caliber, or 1.8" bore if my math is correct. That must have some big time recoil!! What is that gun used for? Elephants? :D

April 14, 2003, 01:12 AM
I'm putting my money on the security personnel doing the thieving.

John G
April 14, 2003, 01:18 AM
Now that's stopping power!

April 14, 2003, 01:19 AM
I was unaware that you could pick up 45mm pistols for only three and a quarter. I'm assuming they have compensators. Has CorBon released the 45mm PowRBall yet?

April 14, 2003, 08:33 AM
Looks like S&W don't have the top dog anymore.

I guess I'll be saving my money for that instead... any idea what they go for and if it comes in a snub?

Greg L
April 14, 2003, 08:52 AM

I would like to see the carry rig for that thing...


It's really sad that as a society we've cranked out generations of people without critical thinking skills. Even if I had no knowledge of guns hearing about something that was 5 times larger than what I usually hear about (9mm) should have at least brought up the question that something might not be right. Kind of like confusing a cubic centemeter sized engine on a motorcycle with a cubic inch engine on a car. Just the ability to go "huh?" will take you far these days.


El Tejon
April 14, 2003, 09:13 AM
Next month's issue of Guns & Rubbish: "Is the 45mm enough for bears (or unicorns)? We test fire while wearing flowered shirts."

April 14, 2003, 09:22 AM
You'd thimk show management would have hired a free lance mall ninja to pull night duty.

45mm semi-auto pistol, eh?

If the article's author can't get easily verifiable technical information correct, what merit is there in assuming any information contained in the article is correct?

Dave Markowitz
April 14, 2003, 06:12 PM

Made by Bofors?

George Hill
April 14, 2003, 07:47 PM

April 14, 2003, 08:12 PM
Next month's issue of Guns & Rubbish: "Is the 45mm enough for bears (or unicorns)? We test fire while wearing flowered shirts."
Oh Lordy. El Tejon, congradulations on being the first person, in all the forums I've visited, to make me spew my drink all over my monitor.

Now I'm picturing yellow flowered shirts, pink ear protection and some dashing green shooting glasses. Not to mention the big ol' bullets!

How many shots you think a 45mm mag holds? :evil:

April 14, 2003, 10:14 PM
Next month's issue of Guns & Rubbish: "Is the 45mm enough for bears (or unicorns)? We test fire while wearing flowered shirts."
I could only laugh a little.

I subscribe to that magazine and have read several articles that follow that pattern.

AND--I know who you are talking about with the flowered shirts...

April 14, 2003, 10:34 PM
45mm semi-autos...:scrutiny:

Do they make a titanium & polymer version for CCW?...:what:

Elmer Snerd
April 15, 2003, 01:31 AM
Does anyone make a 40mm conversion kit to enable them to fire M79 rounds?

April 15, 2003, 02:02 AM
I like flowered shirts :(

Carlos Cabeza
April 15, 2003, 05:36 PM
45mm ! That must be Birdman's answer to the .500 S&W....:D

April 15, 2003, 05:57 PM
Heh - a popular toy at Knob Creek this spring was 12 gauge flare guns... Only they weren't 12 gauge to start with - they were larger, but someone was selling an insert...

Personally, looked like an easy way to break a wrist...

April 15, 2003, 06:01 PM
As Paul Harvey would say, here's the rest of the story:

Tuesday, April 15, 2003


Security guards allegedly stole guns

Thomas Clouse - Staff writer

Two security guards dreamed up a plan to steal some guns while a co-worker slept, authorities said Monday. But the plot turned into a nightmare of 15 felony charges with more on the way.

Earlier this month, Jonathan T. Orosco, 20, and John B. Southerland, 19, worked for Crowd Management Services, which provides security at the Spokane County Fair and Expo Center.

Knowing that a co-worker tended to drift off to sleep at about 3 a.m., Orosco and Southerland spent a week planning to sneak into the fairgrounds while it was full of displays for a weekend gun show, said sheriff's spokesman Cpl. Dave Reagan.

They apparently stole a key from their employer and entered Bay 1 on the morning of April 4, sheriff's Detective Mike Ricketts said.

"The only problem ... was the security guard was not asleep," Ricketts said. "In fact, they had to dodge him once by hiding behind a table."

Otherwise, the heist was a temporary success. A third suspect, 19-year-old Jamaine N. Bechtel, served as the getaway driver, Reagan said.

That morning, Bechtel dropped off Orosco and Southerland at the fairgrounds and drove to the Broadway Truck Stop. She waited there 45 minutes before Orosco and Southerland called for a pick up, Reagan said.

The next day, three gun dealers reported missing a total of 14 handguns and night vision equipment. Combined, the stolen property was valued at about $8,800.

The caper began to unravel Saturday when Spokane police Cpl. Jim Muzatko obtained information that the stolen guns were at a South Hill residence.

Deputies and an agent from the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms served a search warrant at 926 S. Cannon at 7 p.m. Saturday and found nine of the stolen firearms and some of the night-vision equipment.

Also discovered during the search were several computers previously reported stolen in November and December burglaries at Shadle Park High School.

Deputies arrested Orosco, Southerland and Bechtel at the South Hill home. Southerland then directed investigators to his home, 3808 N. Howard.

Inside that home, detectives recovered the remaining five pistols, night-vision equipment and more stolen computers from the school, Reagan said.

The three were booked on a charge each of first-degree burglary and 14 felony counts of theft of a firearm, Reagan said.

But more charges are pending against Orosco and Southerland in connection with the burglaries at Shadle Park, Reagan said.

The suspects -- none of whom has a local criminal record -- told investigators they wanted the semi-automatic pistols for themselves, Ricketts said.

April 15, 2003, 09:49 PM
And yet, they get mad when called "Rent-A-Dope" by some one.:rolleyes:

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