Do Pawn Shops have FFL's ???


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scout26
February 16, 2006, 04:12 PM
Laying aside all the Blissninny, feelgood, Itsforthechildren hooey in the story. Here's what caught my eye:

“This bill also would take into account pawnshops,” said state Rep. Patricia Bellock, D-Chicago. “Currently right now you can pawn a gun at a pawn shop and if I don't come back and give you back your money for my gun you then in effect sell my gun, but you're not a licensed gun dealer.”

I thought that Pawn Shops that sell guns (excuse my ignorance, but there are 1. No pawn shops near where I live, and 2. The only one I ever been in was in Cook County, IL) had to have FFL's. Or am I wrong ????




Proposed gun control bill targets owners
By Crystal Lindell - Springfield Bureau

SPRINGFIELD - Gun owners could be held responsible for minors getting a hold of their guns under legislation approved by a House committee Wednesday.


The measure would make it illegal to have a gun around any minor who doesn't have a Firearm Owners Identification Card unless the gun has a trigger lock or is disassembled.

“It doesn't take away your right to own your weapon, use your weapon legally etc., etc.,” said state Rep. William Delgado, D-Chicago. “But it does protect the safety of children.”

The proposal was among two pieces of legislation approved Wednesday that took aim at state gun laws. The other would create a state licensing system for gun dealers.

Both measures were heard in the House Human Services Committee, rather than in a committee that usually handles criminal matters.

“The deck was stacked against us even before we walked in the room,” said Todd Vandermyde, lobbyist for the National Rifle Association

Even with the friendlier venue, both measures barely won approval. They now head to the full House for further debate.

Current law only makes it illegal to have a gun in the house when someone under 14 uses it to cause death or bodily harm. But the new proposal would not require the minor to use the gun for the owner to be charged with a misdemeanor.

“This law would now cover the 15- or 16-year-old that brings guns to school but doesn't necessarily do anything with it - has it in his backpack,” said state Rep. Joe Dunn, R-Naperville. “Now you go after the owner of that gun who left it out, who didn't take measures to secure it.”

Under the proposal, a gun owner could face under one year in jail and up to $2,500 in fines if a minor gets a hold of their firearm.

The other measure creates a state gun-dealer license, which would be monitored by the state police. It is intended to curb illegal gun dealing and would be stricter than the federal licensing system.

“This bill also would take into account pawnshops,” said state Rep. Patricia Bellock, D-Chicago. “Currently right now you can pawn a gun at a pawn shop and if I don't come back and give you back your money for my gun you then in effect sell my gun, but you're not a licensed gun dealer.”

The legislation is House Bill 4693 and 4694.

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mp510
February 16, 2006, 04:36 PM
She is incorrect. Pawn Brokers are required to have Federal Firearms Licenses. Actually, there is a special catagory of FFL just for pawnshops, Catagory 2.

c_yeager
February 16, 2006, 04:37 PM
“This bill also would take into account pawnshops,” said state Rep. Patricia Bellock, D-Chicago. “Currently right now you can pawn a gun at a pawn shop and if I don't come back and give you back your money for my gun you then in effect sell my gun, but you're not a licensed gun dealer.”

Pawn shops that sell guns ARE FFLs. This might be state-specific, but my understanding is that you can't actually get a "loan" on a gun. What you are doing is selling the shop the gun with the agreement that they will sell it back to you. I have a pawned a gun or two in my time, and I had to fill out a 4437 and pass the NICs check to get them back when I paid off the loan.

Brad Johnson
February 16, 2006, 04:39 PM
Too bad the writer didn't take the whole 15 seconds it took me to find this on the BATF(E)'s FAQ page.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#i7

Brad

newfalguy101
February 16, 2006, 04:48 PM
If a pawnshop is transfering firearms and DOES not have a FFL, they are in a world of hurt already, as they are breaking federal law.

GTSteve03
February 16, 2006, 04:49 PM
Too bad the writer didn't take the whole 15 seconds it took me to find this on the BATF(E)'s FAQ page.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#i7
A journalist do research? That's unpossible! :neener:

Soybomb
February 16, 2006, 05:57 PM
A journalist do research? That's unpossible! :neener:
Please notice she is quoting a legislator. Without looking up Rep. Bellock's voting record I imagine you'd find she a law maker trying impose firearms restrictions on this state and its residence with little to no knowledge of existing law.

scout26
February 17, 2006, 09:21 AM
E-mails have been sent to both the reporter and the State Rep. Thanks for everyone's help.

Oh, and as a side note, Rep Bellock is an (R) from the Chicago suburb of Westmont. I made sure that I pointed that out to both of them.
They both did a lot of "research"......... :rolleyes: :banghead: :rolleyes: :banghead:

Merkin.Muffley
February 17, 2006, 09:47 AM
Yes - I've used our local one a few times. $5 fee.

Carl N. Brown
February 17, 2006, 10:06 AM
A big deal of the Federal 1968 GCA was to be harder on pawnshops
than on gunshops. Pawnshops must have federal firearms license
same as dealers.

In addition, our local pawnshops must report guns and serial
numbers to local police as received to check against theft reports.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#j

A legislator and news media campaigning for more gun control
do not know the existing law. What else is new?

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