How authorities talk about guns?


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Roadwild17
February 16, 2006, 11:01 PM
I watched something about swat teams and the federal Hert teams or whatever there called (cant remember) but I noticed how they would describe certain weapons. They referred to a .50cal as a "massive gun that has a gas break." So what, why would they say anything about a gas break instead of saying that it was an anti-tank gun? Because it wasn't an anti-tank gun and i guess they felt the need to put a negative public opinion on the gun. Another instance that comes to mind is a buddy of mine who got his G-19 consficated. He was underage but said something about its legal to own a hand gun as long as 1. Your over the age of 18 and 2. Someone over 21 buys the gun for you and does a "handwritten transfer." Now I'm not here to argue over weather not not he broke the law (I personally think he did but that's just my $.02). But when the person who bought him the gun went to retrieve it, the sheriff gave him a hard time saying "This is a Glock 19 9mm sim-auto assault weapon." Its just a glock and here is the sheriff trying to make it sound like hes holding an illegal assault weapon, why is it that authorities do this? Is it just to try and paint people who happen to have a connection with that specific weapon and a law breaker?



Man did I screw up the title lol!

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GunnySkox
February 16, 2006, 11:36 PM
It's perfectly legal for an 18 year old (depending on the state, I suppose) to own a handgun. Just can't buy it or buy ammunition for it. My dad bought me a Springfield Armory "Mil-Spec" as a highschool graduation present, and the only reason that it isn't with me up here at school for shootin' is because it'd be silly to have a gun for which I couldn't buy ammunition.

Is the "18-for-longguns, 21-for-handguns" law federal or just a widespread state one?
~GnSx

whm1974
February 16, 2006, 11:51 PM
But when the person who bought him the gun went to retrieve it, the sheriff gave him a hard time saying "This is a Glock 19 9mm sim-auto assault weapon."

The sheriff is an elected offical. If he thinks he can get polical points by bashing gun owners....

it'd be silly to have a gun for which I couldn't buy ammunition.

Get a rifle chamberd for the same cartiage. THe store can then sell you ammo as long as you tell themit's for a rifle.

Is the "18-for-longguns, 21-for-handguns" law federal or just a widespread state one?

Federal. However an 18 to 20 Y/O can own a handgun under federal law, but states may add restrictions.

-Bill

Zundfolge
February 16, 2006, 11:53 PM
Is the "18-for-longguns, 21-for-handguns" law federal or just a widespread state one?
Its a federal one (if you're talking about purchasing ... federal rules about posession are 18 for both handguns and longguns).

There may be state laws regarding posession however.

gc70
February 16, 2006, 11:58 PM
But when the person who bought him the gun went to retrieve it, the sheriff gave him a hard time saying "This is a Glock 19 9mm sim-auto assault weapon." Its just a glock and here is the sheriff trying to make it sound like hes holding an illegal assault weapon, why is it that authorities do this?Cut the sheriff some slack - he was only repeating what he was told when the company rep convinced him to buy Glocks for his department. :evil:

CubDriver
February 17, 2006, 12:00 AM
This is what was told to me by my local gun shop when I enquired about it for a friend. (Note this is in Oregon, so it could be different elsewhere) You must be 21 to purchase a handgun from a FFL, but only 18 to purchase it from a private party (non FFL).

beerslurpy
February 17, 2006, 12:02 AM
If 21 year olds arent mature enough to possess weapons, then we better raise the recruitment age for the entire military. If youre old enough to bear arms and die for your country, you are old enough to bear arms for your own benefit as well IMO.

gunsmith
February 17, 2006, 12:03 AM
...wouldn't it???

oh it's HRT I believe, also if he legally owned the gun then he should be able to get it back.
get a lawyer and get that gun back and sue the LE.

Art Eatman
February 17, 2006, 09:25 AM
gunsmith, the strawman deal is where a gun is knowingly bought for a person who's ineligible to buy because of a criminal history.

A legal purchase to be given as a gift to somebody who's not a criminal is not a strawman purchase.

Art

blackdragon
February 17, 2006, 02:45 PM
Art -- Straw purchase doesn't depend on the person's eligibility.

If someone gives you money to buy a weapon for them, straw purchase, even if they are elligible.

If YOU buy it, and give it to them as a gift (no strings attached), no straw purchase.

But if you give a weapon as a gift to an inelligible person, you get snagged for transferring to a felon/etc, though technically not a straw purchase.

I spent quite a while going over this with my ATF guy once upon a time....

SMMAssociates
February 17, 2006, 04:38 PM
Watching "Law & Order" or some such the other week when somebody's talking about a recovered 9mm shell casing.

"This is from a highly modified Government issue Beretta"....

:what:


Did I miss something?

Regards,

ball3006
February 17, 2006, 04:42 PM
he carried a notorized letter from his dad authorizing the handgun to be in his possession.......chris3

gc70
February 17, 2006, 07:31 PM
Watching "Law & Order" or some such the other week when somebody's talking about a recovered 9mm shell casing.

"This is from a highly modified Government issue Beretta"....

:what:


Did I miss something?

Regards,Yes, you had not previously read the script as the actor had.

ServiceSoon
February 17, 2006, 08:17 PM
From my understanding, in order to receive a hand gun from your legal guardian, when not of legal age to purchase one, the legal guardian has to purchase it for them and give it to them as a gift. The underage person can not repay the legal guardian.

I do like beerslurpy's thinking and believe it is worth repeating, "If 21 year olds arent mature enough to possess weapons, then we better raise the recruitment age for the entire military. If youre old enough to bear arms and die for your country, you are old enough to bear arms for your own benefit as well IMO."

whm1974
February 18, 2006, 12:42 AM
Before my shooting bud turned 21....
he carried a notorized letter from his dad authorizing the handgun to be in his possession.......chris3

Under federal law he only his to do this if he is under 18. State laws, I don't know about.

From my understanding, in order to receive a hand gun from your legal guardian, when not of legal age to purchase one, the legal guardian has to purchase it for them and give it to them as a gift. The underage person can not repay the legal guardian.

CA may require this. But if he is 18 but under 21, under fed he can legally buy a handgun from a private party.

-Bill

gezzer
February 19, 2006, 09:47 PM
Watching "Law & Order" or some such the other week when somebody's talking about a recovered 9mm shell casing.

"This is from a highly modified Government issue Beretta"....

:what:


Did I miss something?

Regards,

It means it worked.:what:

Auslander
February 21, 2006, 04:47 PM
The sheriff is an elected offical. If he thinks he can get polical points by bashing gun owners....



Get a rifle chamberd for the same cartiage. THe store can then sell you ammo as long as you tell themit's for a rifle.



Federal. However an 18 to 20 Y/O can own a handgun under federal law, but states may add restrictions.

-Bill

Um...most states that have these pistol vs. rifle ammunition laws also define pistol ammunition as "if the caliber/type of ammunition has had a pistol manufactured to fire it; then that ammunition is prohibited from sale to people less than 21 years old. SO even .223 Remington is pistol ammunition. Even .22 Long Rifle is pistol ammo. Owning a rifle in a pistol caliber does not magically make that caliber ammunition legal to sell to people less than 21.

This rifle caliber versus pistol caliber thing is the reason you canít have 7.62X51mm Armor Piercing. Thomson-Center made a .308 Winchester barrel for their silhouette pistols and turned tons of surplus NATO stock into contraband.

lostone1413
February 21, 2006, 04:52 PM
Most that are in LE are against us commoners having guns. They will try and tell you they favor the 2nd for us but most don't. They tell you the union is against us but they side with us. Ever wonder how that person got a job with the union? Funny if he looked at it different then the rank and file how did he get elected to the union job?

Spiphel Rike
February 22, 2006, 06:48 AM
This rifle caliber versus pistol caliber thing is the reason you canít have 7.62X51mm Armor Piercing. Thomson-Center made a .308 Winchester barrel for their silhouette pistols and turned tons of surplus NATO stock into contraband.

I hope the company suffered for that mistake.

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