How much 7.62 x 54R do you keep?


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Shrinkmd
February 17, 2006, 12:59 AM
Will it ever run out? If we all shot 10k rounds a year would it last longer than before the sun will go supernova? Are we only one shipment away from the "last of the good stuff"? Will we be forced to overpay for Wolf at $125 for 500 rounds? Will we give up and go back to our AK/SKS/AR's because the corrosive "thrill is gone"

How much do you keep?

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g56
February 17, 2006, 01:06 AM
My Mosin Nagant hasn't seen a factory loaded round since I got it, it runs strictly on my own handloads! :D

mustanger98
February 17, 2006, 01:09 AM
I don't keep any 7.62x54 on hand. I never bothered to pick up one of those ugly Nagant rifles.:cool: Now, if we were talking .30-06, 8mm Mauser, or .22LR, it'd be another story.:D

armoredman
February 17, 2006, 01:37 AM
Ugly? My M38 is a beautiful peice of work. Inexpensive does not mean cheap.
I have about 600 rounds around...maybe more, counting reloads...

Cosmoline
February 17, 2006, 01:59 AM
I like to keep a few cans of Albanian plus about 300 in mixed surplus. I have a rolling stock of Russian production and handloads and a few hundred brass in circulation.

mustanger98
February 17, 2006, 02:22 AM
Ugly? My M38 is a beautiful peice of work. Inexpensive does not mean cheap.

What is it they say about milsurps? If it's wierd it's French and if it's ugly it's Russian. Who said anything about "inexpensive" vs. "cheap". Beauty may be in the eye of the beholder, but I've always been a Mauser/Enfield/Springfield guy. Up until recently Mauser and Enfield have been pretty affordable. BTW, have you checked prices on gunbroker.com on Nagants lately? It seems they've shot up some too.

Tyril
February 17, 2006, 02:26 AM
always about two Polish tins, 880 rounds total.


-mike

ConserVet
February 17, 2006, 03:02 AM
I've got one box of 20 rounds just in case I take the 91/30 out. I keep aquiring new toys, so the Mosin keeps getting put at the back of the line for range day.

Its not, nor will it ever be, one of my SHTF weapons, so I don't have any burning need to keep ammo around.

rangerruck
February 17, 2006, 03:13 AM
i have jsut enough, that my bed doesn't "float"

foghornl
February 17, 2006, 09:16 AM
I voted "park cars outside"...but I really don't have that much.:evil:

I counted the residents of 'Foggy's Ammo Dump' the other day. I have about 1,500 rouns of 7.62x54...500 on stipper clips, 1K still in its paper-wrapped bundles in an ammo can (440 of those sealed in an Albanian Spam Can)

Draven32
February 18, 2006, 05:26 AM
MY best answer is 'not enough'

I really need some crates of that yugo surplus....

Matthew748
February 18, 2006, 07:49 AM
I think "not enough" is the correct answer for 7.62x54R and 8mm Mauser. I really should pick up another case of both at the next gun show. The problem is I cheap out at the last minute. It is reasonable, but I just don't like spending money.

Ash
February 18, 2006, 09:45 AM
I don't place aesthetic opinions on rifles, but it seems odd that anyone who thought a SMLE was pretty (there's nothing attactive about an Enfield) would bash a Mosin as being ugly. From 30 yards, the M39 and No4Mk1 look almost identical. The protruding mag is no different than the M91 Mauser, Enfields, M95 Mannlicher, M91 Carcano, or 88 Commission rifle. Ian Hogg bashes the Mosin for the mag, yet he calls the mag on the 88 rifle "graceful". He bashes the spike bayo on Mosins and remains silent on the #4 rifle's spike bayo.

Yet, how can a blunt-nosed, chunky SMLE with it's seperate charger guide, narrow wrist, lumpy handguards, and odd semi-pistol grip be considered pretty and the M91 be ugly? For that matter, how can the P14/M1917 be considered pretty, with those fish-tail rear sight ears?

But then, I never looked at a drill and thought, man that Black and Decker is ugly, not like a Makita at all!

Ash

Chipperman
February 18, 2006, 10:08 AM
I currently have about 1000 rounds of 7.62x54R, and prob about 500-600 of 8mm. I need to get more of both.
Cheap surplus stuff WILL eventually run out. Same with 30.06.

Ash
February 18, 2006, 10:31 AM
The thing about cheap surplus is that the .303, 8mm, and 30-06 will run out much sooner than 7.62x54. They still make it for light machine guns. And, since it is actually ideal for belt-fed guns (better in that regard than .308, .30-06, 8mm Mauser, or any other full-power round currently used by any other nation) due to the slightly tapered, rimmed case, it will be produced long into the future. So, there will be surplus for a while, not to mention the billions of rounds produced during the cold war. More 7.62x54R has been produced than all other surplus rounds available.

Of course, it WILL run out, but properly stored Berdan, especially in Spam Cans, will last a long time still. Most of us will not be alive, or at least not be shooting anymore, when it does run out.

Ash

The Real Hawkeye
February 18, 2006, 11:12 AM
Will it ever run out? If we all shot 10k rounds a year would it last longer than before the sun will go supernova? Are we only one shipment away from the "last of the good stuff"? Will we be forced to overpay for Wolf at $125 for 500 rounds? Will we give up and go back to our AK/SKS/AR's because the corrosive "thrill is gone"

How much do you keep?Well, I thought I had a lot until I saw your poll choices. I have just under a thousand rounds on hand of surplus 7.62x54 Russian.

aguyindallas
February 18, 2006, 11:13 AM
I have about 60 rounds on hand, thats it. Mine do not see much range time these days.

dpesec
February 18, 2006, 11:18 AM
I just picked up an SKS a few months ago. I haven't cleaned all the cosmoline out of it. When I do, I'll get about 10K

The Real Hawkeye
February 18, 2006, 11:19 AM
I just picked up an SKS a few months ago. I haven't cleaned all the cosmoline out of it. When I do, I'll get about 10KWell, you'd best get yourself a Mosin first. The 7.62x54 Russian will not operate in an SKS.

Pork Fat
February 18, 2006, 01:41 PM
I like to picture a dimly lit old arsenal factory.Old men and women wearing ribbons commemorating production quotas exceeded during the recent Great
Patriotic War crank out countless rounds under the gimlet eyes of Lenin and
Stalin.These rifle and machine gun cartridges will be stored for the defense of
The Worker's Paradise against capitalist aggression.They must make more!
Always more! Do not let Papa Joe down!


Decades later, these rounds are pressed into desperate service. In an old
Mosin-Nagant, hex- receivered,arsenal rebuilt, stored against the day--

I use my 39.95 on sale at Rose's rifle to blast dirt clods on an irrigation pond
embankment.(they were comin' right at me)

Thank you, old folks, Lenin, Stalin, for all you did to make it possible for my decadent self to amuse myself shooting centerfire rounds at soil.

Thank you, thank you--

Beer Gut American, 2006

Shrinkmd
February 18, 2006, 01:50 PM
I wonder how many rounds the average Ivan carried on him in the field. What we blow in a couple afternoons was probably the supply for a whole platoon or more.

Of course, Pvt. Ivan probably didn't spend as much time inspecting his bore after cleaning it, looking for the shine.

RaetherEnt
February 18, 2006, 02:04 PM
You might be a gun nut if...

Your'e standard measurement of time is how many gun shows ago...

That being said, a few gun shows ago, I picked up my first Mosins, (pair of M38's) and four tins of surplus, all for less than $250. Two rifles and 1760 rounds for $250? Geez, how could you go wrong?

Pork Fat
February 18, 2006, 02:40 PM
Mosin-Nagant.....Gateway drug?:D

ConserVet
February 18, 2006, 10:21 PM
I like to picture a dimly lit old arsenal factory.Old men and women wearing ribbons commemorating production quotas exceeded during the recent Great
Patriotic War crank out countless rounds under the gimlet eyes of Lenin and
Stalin.These rifle and machine gun cartridges will be stored for the defense of
The Worker's Paradise against capitalist aggression.They must make more!
Always more! Do not let Papa Joe down!


Decades later, these rounds are pressed into desperate service. In an old
Mosin-Nagant, hex- receivered,arsenal rebuilt, stored against the day--

I use my 39.95 on sale at Rose's rifle to blast dirt clods on an irrigation pond
embankment.(they were comin' right at me)

Thank you, old folks, Lenin, Stalin, for all you did to make it possible for my decadent self to amuse myself shooting centerfire rounds at soil.

Thank you, thank you--

Beer Gut American, 2006
:D :D :D Beauty post! Wonder how many got sent to Siberia for not meeting production quota...

George S.
February 18, 2006, 11:18 PM
From what I have read, the 7.62x54R round is still in use today by various clans and factions in Pakistan and Afghanistan. I would bet that Wolf is producing a lot of it in Russia for anyone who wants it.

Last year, I ran across some Wolf ball ammo that was reloadable and non-corrosive. It seemed to be pretty accurate (at least compared to some of the Albanian stuff I have used) but pricey at $7 per box.

Every time I go to a gun show, I usually buy 5 or 6 20-round boxes of the Czech Silvertip at $2.50 a box.

cracked butt
February 18, 2006, 11:22 PM
I buy a crate at a time, when I get less than 200 rnds left, I order another. Not too worried about the stuff ever running out. After mankind destroys itself and the world, there will still be cockroaches and 7.62x54r ammo found in every corner of the world.

student
February 18, 2006, 11:28 PM
880 rnds polish and 440 rnds hungarian. All 147 grn steel core. Also some barnaul type 200? grn soft points that kick like hell. Enough functional stripper clips for 100 rounds.

mustanger98
February 19, 2006, 12:00 AM
From 30 yards, the M39 and No4Mk1 look almost identical. The protruding mag is no different than the M91 Mauser, Enfields, M95 Mannlicher, M91 Carcano, or 88 Commission rifle. Ian Hogg bashes the Mosin for the mag, yet he calls the mag on the 88 rifle "graceful".

Ash, Maybe you can't tell the difference from 30yds, but I can.:D I don't know Ian Hogg...

thebigc
February 19, 2006, 01:04 AM
i only have about 40 rounds wrapped in paper bundles i want to start handloading 7.62x54 sometime soon though because my m39 does damn well with random surplus id like to see what it can do with some quality stuff

cbsbyte
February 19, 2006, 01:10 AM
I reload since it is near impossible to find cheap surplus 7.62x54R ammo in Mass, and Mass residents can not buy ammo from out of state, either in person or online if one is intending to bring it back into the state.

White Horseradish
February 19, 2006, 03:22 AM
I wonder how many rounds the average Ivan carried on him in the field. What we blow in a couple afternoons was probably the supply for a whole platoon or more.

Of course, Pvt. Ivan probably didn't spend as much time inspecting his bore after cleaning it, looking for the shine.

Thirty in the twin belt pouch, maybe twice that in the sack on the back if you were resourceful.

Ash
February 19, 2006, 09:30 AM
I own a number of both Enfields and M39's, including a #4 (and #4 Mk2). Their aesthetic is very similar. Though I find it difficult to call a military rifle ugly, I find that folks generally make their mind up which rifle they prefer, and then look at the others out there and decide what features they do not like (rather than the other way around). Because the Mosin is generally equally as accurate and durable, more durable than many, the critical opinion must focus on the safety or aesthetics.

Ian Hogg has written many, many books on military small arms. He is a British author who has an understandable preference for all things British and certainly does not care all that much for the Mosin.

Me, I like Finnish Mosins because of their historical value and their accuracy. I prefer shooting my Garand most, as it is my most accuract long arm. That said, I have between 1,000 and 5,000 rounds of 7.62x54R, older Russian fare on chargers, some 400 rounds of Bulgarian from the 1980's, a smattering of Chinese, Hungarian, and Czech (and a small amount of East German target stuff) plus a bunch of Albanian.

Ash

Shrinkmd
February 21, 2006, 11:30 PM
So what is the deal with the different varieties?

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/browse/browse.asp?c=96&s=954

The polish light ball is cheapest, there is Czech steel, Albanian brass, some Silver over yellow tip. Is there any reason to pay more for less, or is it all pretty much the same. I'm happy with my Polish so far, a couple lightly split cases, but overall seems in good shape.

I checked out the long version here:
http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinAmmo.htm

but I was curious for people's experience here...

Draven32
February 22, 2006, 12:34 AM
There are differences in accuracy, consistency, how much filth it leaves in your bore, the construction of the bullets and the type of casing.

Mulliga
February 22, 2006, 12:38 AM
The cheap surplus will probably run out eventually, but since the Russians still use 7.62x54R in their machine guns and some of their rifles, I'm guessing we'll have Wolf stuff for a long, long time.

cracked butt
February 22, 2006, 01:35 AM
Just picked up another crate of Czech silvertip. A local Gander Mt is selling them for $86, not too bad of a deal when you consider shipping costs.

fletcher
February 22, 2006, 05:02 PM
I typically keep <1000 rounds on hand, but at this moment I have somewhere around 1200. I imagine it will be some time before it 'runs out'.

Silent-Snail
February 23, 2006, 09:39 AM
Thirty in the twin belt pouch, maybe twice that in the sack on the back if you were resourceful.

Do they have to be stacked a certain way, because all I can stuff in there is twenty.

Third_Rail
February 23, 2006, 10:07 AM
Just in terms of milsurp.... probably around 3k-3.5k. In terms of brass, primers, bullets, powder, etc... I could load LOTS.

ChevellRCR
February 23, 2006, 11:12 AM
I think at the moment I have about 8000 rounds of albanian, 1200 rounds of czech sivertips, 800 rounds of Hungarian yellow tip heavy ball and just ordered 2200 rounds of Czech hollow core training ammo. I think I have enough for a while.

Mikee Loxxer
February 23, 2006, 11:25 AM
My Mosin Nagant hasn't seen a factory loaded round since I got it, it runs strictly on my own handloads! :D

I am planning to load this cartridge. What bullet do you use?

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