AR Bullpups?


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ocmechanx
February 17, 2006, 02:08 PM
Has anybody actually used or has one of these:confused: , hows the accuracy, and reliability comparitivly speakin to other compact assalt rifles?

Bryan

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nbkky71
February 17, 2006, 04:45 PM
The only AR15 bullpup I remember seeing was the M17S by Bushmaster.

http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/m17s/

I got to run a few rounds through one many, many, years ago. I honestly didn't draw any overly positive or negative conclusions from it.

I'm a lefty so bullpup-style rifles don't suit me well.

Correia
February 17, 2006, 04:54 PM
The Bushmaster wasn't an AR15 internally at all. It is a lot more like an AR18.

You don't normally see bullpuped AR action guns, because the buffer tube extends into the stock. ACE has a prototype that they showed at SHOT that uses a return spring above the barrel. It is the only actual bullpup AR that I've ever seen. It was a rough prototype, but I was impressed with it.

hkmp5g17
February 17, 2006, 05:02 PM
Here's a pic of the Ace bullpup.

MechAg94
February 17, 2006, 05:05 PM
Is it just me or does that look like a really awkward rifle? Maybe I am just on the traditional side.

ALS
February 17, 2006, 05:48 PM
I have one of the Bushmaster M17's and it is just as accurate as any of my AR's. The two down sides is it is one it is a scope only gun. The second is it has a open or egg crate butt on the stock. It can get annoying to fire even with .223's. It digs in to the shoulder on recoil. I may have one of the problem guns but I had to modify the recoil system slightly to get the gun to fire reliably. The whole system is held in place with two C clips. I had to cut the grooves where these C clips are placed deeper to get them to hold under fire. So far so good. I find it a comfortable gun to fire once I covered the butt with a piece of 1/4 inch rubber foam.

Thefabulousfink
February 17, 2006, 06:21 PM
Here's a pic of the Ace bullpup.

That is one ugly duckling, even for a bullpup.:eek:

Bartholomew Roberts
February 17, 2006, 07:40 PM
They need a longer forearm on the Ace bullpup. Not much point in having a vertical foregrip mounted about 2" in front of the pistol grip. I've never been a big bullpup fan myself; but finally getting to shoot a full-auto AUG with a 16" barrel definitely has me rethinking that.

Nobody has yet solved the trigger issue in a satisfactory way though. It seems like all the mechanical linkage involved almost always guarantees a pretty mediocre trigger on any bullpup.

mattf7184
February 18, 2006, 01:23 AM
More info on the ACE:

http://www.riflestocks.com/ar15.htm#ARBP

ALS
February 18, 2006, 11:47 AM
Nobody has yet solved the trigger issue in a satisfactory way though. It seems like all the mechanical linkage involved almost always guarantees a pretty mediocre trigger on any bullpup.

"DITTO"

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