What's the biggest threat to RKBA on the table right now?
twoblink
April 14, 2003, 07:02 AM
While I know it's hard to list, but I wanted to try to find out, what is the one single biggest threat/barrier/etc.. to RKBA right now as far as laws that have passed, will pass, or people in general??
The sunsetting of the AWB seems to be important on everybody's list; but I'm wondering if there isn't more pressing matters on the table right now that is not being addressed..
I was reading some strategy guides and it talked about concentrating your forces on one target at a time with overwhelming forces and catching them off guard (Art of War!! What a great book!!)
So I'm wondering if the anti's have us so divided and trying to sprawl for everything that we are spread so thin nothing is getting done.
Just a thought..
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tyme
April 14, 2003, 07:51 AM
The wording of the second amendment?
BogBabe
April 14, 2003, 08:00 AM
The deliberate misinterpretation of the Second Amendment; the belief that the Constitution is a "living document" whose meaning changes over time.
hammer4nc
April 14, 2003, 08:45 AM
Seems like every gun control law in the last 40 years has come in the wake of a high profile assassination or shooting. Nowadays, when there's an incident, the gun-grabbers usually have a multi-media campaign running within 24 hours, calling for more bans (one thinks the ads are already sitting on a shelf somewhere?)...Some of the more cynical wags imply that terror events are staged, or at least not prevented by authorities (e.g., OKC bombing), so as to allow increased power and control to the "police state".
If a coordinated terror attack took place (and thank God it hasn't yet), we'd be escalated to terror condition "red". There's been some talk about what specific measures might be triggered in such a scenario. Does anyone really know? I'm betting CCW is revoked in a heartbeat, warrantless searches allowed, for starters.
tyme
April 14, 2003, 09:00 AM
Does politically-motivated assassination really qualify as terrorism? What terrorist incident came before the AWB?
Waitone
April 14, 2003, 09:12 AM
Civil litigation against the gun chain to market. Specifically the NAACP lawsuit seems to have some legs.
Close second is a mass terrorist hit using firearms as the predominant means of mayhem. Keep in mind Al Qaeda specifically claimed the right to kill 4 million American children. Federal and state law has seen to it any terrorist act against schools will be successful, particularly if the badguys intend on collecting their 72 virgins.
I hope and pray I'm wrong.
Oleg Volk
April 14, 2003, 10:04 AM
Several threats:
1.Laws which can be made even more unreasonable by expanding definitions of terms (i.e. redefine raising of the voice as "domestic violence" and pretty much everyone becomes ineligible)
2.Brainwashing of kids which works well in regions where they can't get practical experience to counter school and TV versions of what guns are about.
3.Division among gun owners: black rifle crowd might not care about loss of hunting grounds, trap shooters don't care about black rifles, hunters might look down on pistols, etc.
The NRA does allright on fighting item 2. The rest is up to us.
Ol' Badger
April 14, 2003, 10:08 AM
Rosie O'Donnel is the biggest I think! :D
Yanus
April 14, 2003, 11:33 AM
Democrat Party and RINO'S..............
Yanus
Tag
April 14, 2003, 11:47 AM
The inaction of the silent majority.
Nightfall
April 14, 2003, 12:38 PM
Laws, people, the man asked for laws! :D
The biggest blip on my radar is indeed the AWB. This is more than just having it's stupid, pointless, and ineffective restrictions gone... it's a very large symbolic victory, and one the public would hear and see. It's also a psychological victory that could, properly used, bring the pro-2nd Amendment issue to the attention of the sheep at large and maybe get a snowballing effect that we could ride to heaven! :)
The 50 cal bans are another big threat, IMHO. If we let the anti-gunners win that one, I cringe to imagine the ammo it could well give them. A successful ban on a weapon NEVER (literally) used in crime, a weapon so large, unwieldy, $expensive$, and task specific as to be virtually useless to criminals? That is precedence for things that would make the AWB look like freedom incarnate.
one-shot-one
April 14, 2003, 12:38 PM
:confused:
i believe that when it comes down to the end of gun rights, the focus will be ammo and reloading supplies. if you can not get ammo, powder, primers, etc. what good is your gun going to do for you? even if you have stocked away 2000 or 5000 or more rounds are you going to share with those who didn't in order to fight those who seek to enslave you? one person or even a family of 10 doesn't make up for the odds that will be against you.
banning ammo and reloading supplies will kill the gun industry and all RTKB'ers and will pass easier inside the beltway because of their convoluted way of thinking.:banghead:
shooten
April 14, 2003, 12:50 PM
The 10 cent per bullet tax(fee) they are trying to pass here in Cal will hurt firearm owners and dealers severly. I don't see how the industry can survive this kind of tax. If you live in California, send your letters (AB992) and don't forget to vote.
Scott
Tropical Z
April 14, 2003, 12:53 PM
Diane FeinSWINE and Chuckie boy are always at the top of the list of 2nd haters!:cuss:
SIGarmed
April 14, 2003, 01:08 PM
Ignorance is bliss. Inaction by the silent majority while states like California try an end run around the Constitution of the United States. Their laws will spread and there is already collaberation going on between the victim disarmament camp.
AB-992 the ten cents per ammunition component or bullet bill(Mark ridley-thomas D-Los Angeles) passed the California Assembly Public Safety Committee already. Even if this doesn't pass there is another author of an identical bill AB 602 by Koretz the West Hollywood representative.
Also for you Californians it is not worded as a tax. The authors and said socialists are wording it as a "fee". In California a fee only needs a majority vote instead of 2/3rds like a tax.
Do everything you can to prevent these bills and others like them from passing.
Sisco
April 14, 2003, 01:12 PM
Apathy.
It really irks me when the subject of our RKBA comes up and avid hunters I know say things like "I already have all the guns I need".
A guy I work with has several firearms, is always trading & buying new ones. Will he join the NRA or GOA? Nope, "Ain't no way the government is going to take our guns away". "If they try I'll just bury them in the back yard."
What, I ask, is the good of a gun that's buried in the back yard?
Smoke
April 14, 2003, 01:17 PM
Ditto tag.:(
beckrodgers
April 14, 2003, 05:51 PM
We are the biggist threat, we are our own worst enemy. Most here and on other boards get it, if not directly then indirectly,No I dont have a clear answer yet cept what Ghandi and his crowd did over in India. Now the 2nd most populas nation is not only starving they are nuke armed as well, Thanks
firestar
April 14, 2003, 05:55 PM
George W. Bush! He stabbed us in the back. With friends like him, who needs enemies?
Standing Wolf
April 14, 2003, 08:59 PM
Ignorance and apathy, plus plain old-fashioned anti-American leftism.
Billll
April 14, 2003, 09:49 PM
Take a somewhat more optimistic approach and ask: what's the most immediately winnable battle we've got coming up?
The AWB is the most publicized, but the two lawsuits in CA that seem headed for the Supreme court could eclipse that.
If SCoTUS says that the 2nd protects an individual right to posess military-style arms, the AWB is swept aside at a stroke. We need to be following and supporting this effort at full strength right now. It is emminently winnable.
Watching court cases progress is like watching flowers bloom: One morning, you step outdoors, and either your garden is a riot of color, or your lawn is a riot of dandelions, and it's the boring, careful, application of either Miracle-Gro, or Weed-N-Feed at the right time that makes all the difference.
John Galt
April 14, 2003, 11:21 PM
- Apathy among gun owners.
A great many don't vote.
Almost none are politically active.
Very few expose their whole family, friends and neighbors to shooting sports.
We could win every court case and every election for the next 10 years and still lose. What about 40 years from now? The only way to win long term is to take everyone we know to the gun range and expose them to shooting / guns.
The statist have done this by taking over the schools and news. However, we have the edge. Our viewpoint is centered on freedom and it's fun.
Justin Moore
April 15, 2003, 01:20 AM
1. apathy
2. statist Republicans
3. statist Democrats
4. the 'duck hunter mentality'
Sactown
April 15, 2003, 01:24 AM
#1 California :mad:
CZ 75 BD
April 15, 2003, 01:38 AM
is our greatest opportunity to say no more gun laws! Those who would renew this rotten legislation will be known by their actions. Conversely, our side needs to stand up and make everyone believe the law means what it says, just like the 2A!! One letter every 3 months to each of our congress critters is not too much.
twoblink
April 15, 2003, 01:39 AM
Sactown..
I don't know, I've got buddies in the PRNJ that might argue that one..
But it seems like the courtcases might be a serious broad brush on some of the current existing laws..
Sactown
April 15, 2003, 01:49 AM
Twoblink,
I think if that 10 cents per bullet/component "fee" passes, other states might try the same thing. They're gonna make shooting such an expensive hobby that no one would want to take it up. They want to tack on $50 to a 500 brick of .22 ammo. I am actually surprised that the gun grabbers haven't come up with this earlier.
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