As usual, considering upgrades on things before I become proficient. Anyways, what do you think? Would you save the money for a better rifle, or buy the McMillian to put on the Savage and look no further for a quality 308 LRR?
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February 18, 2006, 12:59 AM
If it is just opinions you are looking for I would save the money and put it towards a better rifle.
February 18, 2006, 02:11 AM
I would say it depends on A) your skill level, and B) your budget. I think the Savage 10FP is plenty of rifle for a learner. I personally have plenty to learn about precision shooting and could do so without spending more money on a rifle. The stardard stock on the 10FP is by all accounts awful, though, even limiting the accuracy potential of the rifle. So I would by all means recommend a new stock if you can afford to replace it.
However, a McMillan stock is pretty much top of the line. If you've got $600 burning a hole in your pocket and you're satisfied with the action and the accuracy potential of the barrel and trigger, sticking the Savage in a McMillan stock will certainly improve the rifle overall. But that, at least to me, is a bit much, like sticking 18" rims or a giant lift kit on a Chevy S10. It's an improvement, but I would definitely have to question your priorities.
For that kind of money, you could get a much better stock and a quality scope. There are other decent stock options that make for a very marked improvement over the Savage stock, yet do not quite approach the cost of a McMillan. I hear Bell & Carlson (http://www.bellandcarlson.com/)'s Medalist Varmint/Target/Tactical is a good one for the money. Or if you'd like to put a little work into it yourself, you can have a good laminate stock (http://rifle-stocks.com/target_style's.htm) cut to your specs for relatively little money.
February 18, 2006, 11:31 AM
IMO, if you have an action, any action, that you like and has had a load developed for it that will give you the accuracy you are looking for and better, e.g. , 1 MOA, ½ MOA, etc., I'd say go for it. Why would it matter if it is a Savage, Remington, Winchester, CZ, Stolle, Nesika, etc.? If it shoots great groups, make it greater with a better stock.
February 18, 2006, 02:09 PM
I have a custom Remington 700 300 Win mag with a blueprinted action , Sako extractor, HS precision stock, Lilja barrel, Leupold MKIV 6.5x20 etc etc. It will shoot into the 2s and 3s. Every now and then I can get a group in the .1s.
I have a Savage heavy bbl 300 win mag with accutrigger that is bone stock except for the new McMillan A5 I put on it. It sports the same MKIV 6.5x20 scope.
It shoots into the .2s and .3s and every now and then a .1 with the same handloaded match ammo.
Glass aside, I can buy three brand new Savages for the same price it cost to build the custom Remington. Same accuracy and reliabilty, 1/3rd the cost.
Some of the factories are building such accurate out of the box rifles nowadays that unless you have to have a rifle in an uncomon caliber you are going to have a hard time outperforming heavy barrel factory rifles from Savage or Tikka.
I just wish one of them would make a heavy bbl .260 rem for the long range game.
Do not be fooled into thinking that Savage rifles are beginners guns. They are a fine rifle that perform out of proportion with their cost.
October 8, 2007, 11:56 PM
I have 2 Savage heavy barrel rifles, i bought the FP10 300 win mag 1st, it shoots too perfect, i bought another one model 12 heavy barrel flute stainless steel 26in barrel in 300 win mag, both can shoot at 1/4in groupe at 75 yards, and 1/2 in at 100 yards.
I dont think any other rifle company out there can do better, i love mine, at 75 yards i can shoot 3 shots all touching each other with my Savage 300 win mag, i used to have Weatherby Fiber mark which can shoot 3/4in at 100 yards..But now my Savage shoot better, so i sold my Weatherby..
For those who dont know about Savage rifles, now you know, to see is to beleive, i beleive in Savage..
I am a FFL dealer, ive own alot of diff rifles, but Savage shoot the best by far..and the price is right, both my Savage rifles have Choate John Plaster signature pistol grip skeleton stock with bipod.
Savage 10FP is one of my first purchasing targets once I get out into the real world and start earning a salary.
October 9, 2007, 12:05 AM
I've actually been trying to decide what stock to put on my new 12FV in .243, and have just about decided on this one, http://www.sharpshootersupply.com/index.html , it's $350 with the adjustable comb. Sure the gun will be heavy, but it's for shooting 600 yards on paper, and an occassional outing in a deer blind. No hiking over mountains with it for sure.
I'd buy the B&C in a minute, but they don't offer them for the new center-feed Savages.
October 13, 2007, 08:46 AM
Here is a new Savage 308 police model.
Check out the all new Howa Axiom rifle here, worth consideration, its coming out on Jan -08.
October 13, 2007, 09:05 AM
You would do very well with the Savage. There's nothing about a Remington that would make it superior to the Savage.
October 13, 2007, 10:30 AM
I was learning to shoot with a 10/22 and once I was confident that I was shooting to the guns abilities I would change something.
2. Free floated the barrel
3. New barrel
4. New scope and rings
You say your not a proficient shooter yet. If that is so I don't see how a better (even in your own mind) rifle will help. I'd keep shooting and try different loads, and maybe a scope and rings. Unless there is something with your rifle (chamber, not bedded correctly, bad barrel, nicked crown) it should be just fine.
shoot safe -
October 13, 2007, 11:39 AM
What's your limiting factor? If you've got a crap trigger, change the trigger. If the barrel is shot out and it's not capable of better than 2" groups, change the barrel. If the scope is blurry or won't hold zero change the scope.
A 1" group from a $5,000 rifle doesn't measure any more or less than a 1" group from a $500 dollar rifle.
October 13, 2007, 01:54 PM
Savage Tactical is an excellent rifle. Save your money and get a Bell & Carlson Vertical Grip Tactical Medalist Series stock. They have a full length aluminum bedding block and are very well made for the money around $199. They look nice also.
The McMillan stocks are a high quality stocks but they are way over priced. How much could it cost to CNC machine a pieces of fiberglass. I know their retooling cost would be low.
Both the McMillan and the B&C Medalist stocks will probably have to be skim bedded for the best results. Some may produce excellent groups without any bedding.