Remember that guy in Oakland who shot the BG last yr ?


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bg
February 18, 2006, 02:28 PM
Look what has happened SINCE he stood his ground against
the bad guys. Now who says not protecting your turf is the
right thing to do. Yet the anti-firearms/ self defense front
try and BS otherwise. Pretty interesting story.
The man's name is Patrick McCullough.
Ck it out. >
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/02/18/MNG0EHB6VK1.DTL

This is from the thread a member started over at Calguns.

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orangeninja
February 18, 2006, 02:31 PM
H3ll Yes!....I'm tempted to send him a bullet to replace the one he "invested" in his safety when shooting that punk.:D

I guess rather than looking at shootings from a negative perspective, just consider it an investment.;)

Warren
February 18, 2006, 02:40 PM
The punk got a 60K payout?


Yeah, I know I should focus on the positive but that bit just sucked.


Can you imagine what any given neighborhood might be like if it was known everyone was armed?

Stickjockey
February 19, 2006, 04:46 PM
"All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing."

Fortunately, often all that is required for good to prevail is for one good man to stand firm.

And yes, the $60,000 payout suck. But then, in the grand scheme of it, it sounds like the lesson was brought home in spades.

AF_INT1N0
February 19, 2006, 05:24 PM
60,000 for the thug??:barf: :barf:

Oh well, thats what you have homeowner's insurance for.

Standing Wolf
February 19, 2006, 05:24 PM
Can you imagine what any given neighborhood might be like if it was known everyone was armed?

Probably a lot like my neighborhood: very low crime rate.

Preacherman
February 19, 2006, 06:22 PM
Good read! Thanks for posting this.

As for the $60K payout, that was probably done by the insurance company rather than face the expense of a trial - even if they won, their legal costs would probably exceed that, so they caved in to a legal extortion rather than stand on principle (which can be expensive).

U.S.SFC_RET
February 19, 2006, 07:09 PM
+1 to preacherman common practice in the insurance biz. The guy is really a hero not because he only because he stuck up for his rights then but he was doing it all along. it's called principle and he's got it.

Ziryo
February 19, 2006, 07:23 PM
Out of curosity, wouldn't it be cheaper in the long run for an insurance company to not to pay out instead of reaching a settlement very often (to my perception?)

Biker
February 19, 2006, 07:27 PM
In my first civil trial, my ins. co. tried to get me to settle out of court but I flat out refused. I was plain ol' right. In the end, the Judge told the plaintifs(sp) that they would have to pay all of the costs attributed to my defense fees because they were responsible for the injuries that they incurred..
They got nothing and their bottom feeding lawyer came out in the hole after paying for PIs and the like.
Don't bend over. You don't have to.
Biker

gunsmith
February 19, 2006, 07:31 PM
if your surrounded by people chanting "kill kill" and shoot to defend yourself. but if your part of the mob yelling "kill kill" you're the victim.

this particular incident illustrates whats good and bad about CA, you are allowed to "stand your ground" it was built into the CA Constitution which also guarantee's the right to shoot fish and hunt on public lands.

but it's also filled with looney lefties who are allways getting elected.

feedthehogs
February 19, 2006, 07:42 PM
In a civil suit as a plaintiff covered by insurance, you have no say in what they will settle for as it is their money on the line not yours.

One thing you can be sure of, that 60k is gone by now on crack and tall boys.

CAnnoneer
February 19, 2006, 07:43 PM
They got nothing and their bottom feeding lawyer came out in the hole after paying for PIs and the like.

Eeeexcellent! And that's the way it should be.

Settlement is what the scumbag lawyer counts on in the first place. Many lawyers are the legal racketeers of our times.

As for the 60k, look on the bright side - the thug reformed and discovered religion after a brush with death. That probably also holds true for the other 14 punks that witnessed the shooting (and probably summarily crapped in their pants. :) )

Biker
February 19, 2006, 07:52 PM
In a civil suit as a plaintiff covered by insurance, you have no say in what they will settle for as it is their money on the line not yours.

One thing you can be sure of, that 60k is gone by now on crack and tall boys.
I got the nouns wrong (don't know much legalise)
:o , but you *do* have a say because, bottom line, you are the star witness and you got 'em by the short 'n curlies.
You *can* force it to trial.
Biker

LAR-15
February 19, 2006, 09:17 PM
McCullough, 50, who labored nearly alone for more than 11 years to clean up 59th Street, suddenly found himself in the strange position of being hailed as a hero by many people, including Mayor Jerry Brown and activists working to clean up crime-ridden areas of Oakland

He shot a guy with a handgun and Ol' Jerry calls him a hero????

:what:

IndianaDean
February 19, 2006, 10:59 PM
But, it just cannot be that the streets are safer after this nasty gun violence. All guns do is make it worse, just ask the Brady Bunch. :eek:

22-rimfire
February 19, 2006, 11:45 PM
From the article: "They've since moved to Fremont after receiving a $60,000 settlement from McCullough's insurance company. Hegler did not return phone calls from The Chronicle, but shortly after the shooting she said, "He nearly killed my son and almost ruined our lives."

Melvin, for his part, has little to say about the incident.

"I don't want to talk about that snitch," he said Thursday."

I can not understand how two faced this celebration is from a government stand point. These kids are trash and should be put with the rest of the trash--in a landfill. Insurance companies.... they only look out for their interest and not necessarily the interest of the insured.

progunner1957
February 19, 2006, 11:56 PM
Don't bend over. You don't have to.
Biker
AMEN to that!! I'd rather be a stand up guy than a bend over guy any day.

screwman
February 20, 2006, 12:12 AM
As for the 60k, look on the bright side - the thug reformed and discovered religion after a brush with death. That probably also holds true for the other 14 punks that witnessed the shooting (and probably summarily crapped in their pants. :) )

Yeah right, I bet he found religion!! He's a player.

Mike

1911 guy
February 20, 2006, 07:52 AM
All I got to say. Good for the man standing up for his family's safety and principle.

gt3944
February 20, 2006, 08:22 AM
If you think about it, its freakin amazing how much people protect and defend these thugs..those are the kind of people that disgust me..do you think if that kid would have had a gun in his hand, he would have cared if this guy had a wife and kids???No, he would have just shot and killed him..:cuss:

SSN Vet
February 20, 2006, 10:28 AM
Here's an open invitation for Patrick McCullough and his family, or any like minded folks to move to Maine....they can be my neighbor any day.

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