A Different Approach to National CCW Standards


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hugh damright
February 18, 2006, 02:35 PM
Suppose we came up with a set of national CCW standards that the States might volunteer to abide by without federal intervention ... for example, we might have four levels of CCW standards:



Level I - CCW generally not permitted unless a special circumstance.

Level II - CCW permits obtainable after training, fingerprinting, photo ID, etc.

Level III - CCW permits shall be issued unless disqualified; minimal requirements.

Level IV - CCW allowed without permit.


The intent being that, instead of the anarchy of fifty CCW standards (or the monarchy of one national CCW standard), we would only have four CCW standards to keep up with.

And also, instead of everyone having to keep up with the reciprocity lists of fifty States, it might be worked out such that a "level one" CCW permit would be valid anywhere, a "level two" permit would be valid in States with a CCW standard of two or lower, and a level three permit would be valid in States with a CCW standard of level three or four.

Maybe instead of numbering the levels they could be color coded, such that we would have "red, white, blue, and yellow" CCW States ... and if you drove across country, when you got to a State line, then could put a little sign there that says "CCW" in red, white, blue, or yellow, and you would know by that what their CCW laws are and how to procede.

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Robert Hairless
February 18, 2006, 03:52 PM
I'd support that idea if we could have those cute yellow and black barriers that are lifted up by an armed guard as we present our passports to enter each state. It would be awfully nice if the armed guard wore a white Sam Browne belt too but I suppose I could be happy with just the barriers. A little hut would be nice too, now that I think of it.

This idea sounds like a great project for Gun Owners of America. Suggest it to them, and please don't forget my idea about the cute barriers, the armed guard, the Sam Browne belt, and the little huts.

By the way, what prevents the states from doing as you propose right now?

GruntII
February 18, 2006, 04:34 PM
Suppose we came up with a set of national CCW standards that the States might volunteer to abide by without federal intervention ... for example, we might have four levels of CCW standards:



Level I - CCW generally not permitted unless a special circumstance.

Level II - CCW permits obtainable after training, fingerprinting, photo ID, etc.

Level III - CCW permits shall be issued unless disqualified; minimal requirements.

Level IV - CCW allowed without permit.


The intent being that, instead of the anarchy of fifty CCW standards (or the monarchy of one national CCW standard), we would only have four CCW standards to keep up with.

And also, instead of everyone having to keep up with the reciprocity lists of fifty States, it might be worked out such that a "level one" CCW permit would be valid anywhere, a "level two" permit would be valid in States with a CCW standard of two or lower, and a level three permit would be valid in States with a CCW standard of level three or four.

Maybe instead of numbering the levels they could be color coded, such that we would have "red, white, blue, and yellow" CCW States ... and if you drove across country, when you got to a State line, then could put a little sign there that says "CCW" in red, white, blue, or yellow, and you would know by that what their CCW laws are and how to procede.

Do you work for the brady organization or are you just that misguided? Do not let personal interest in the idea of national ccw override common sense
and the constitutional nature of ccw. CCW is a state issue with the constitution requiring full faith honoring of all state issued permits. That is what a national ccw statue needs to be based on.

Hawkmoon
February 18, 2006, 04:43 PM
Suppose we came up with a set of national CCW standards that the States might volunteer to abide by without federal intervention ... for example, we might have four levels of CCW standards:



Level I - CCW generally not permitted unless a special circumstance.

Level II - CCW permits obtainable after training, fingerprinting, photo ID, etc.

Level III - CCW permits shall be issued unless disqualified; minimal requirements.

Level IV - CCW allowed without permit.


The intent being that, instead of the anarchy of fifty CCW standards (or the monarchy of one national CCW standard), we would only have four CCW standards to keep up with.
I do not recall any mention of levels of qualification in the 2nd Amendment.

I think this is a horrible idea. We shouldn't need any permits at all, but until we get that pounded through the heads of the SCOTUS, what we need in the interim is nothing more than a law requiring each state to honor permits/licenses issued by any other state. In other words, apply the Full Faith and Credit provision to CCWs.

Levels. Sheesh :cuss:

gc70
February 18, 2006, 07:16 PM
What a delightful idea - we, the people, could actually ask the federal government to intrude on our rights. :scrutiny:

geekWithA.45
February 18, 2006, 08:17 PM
How about...if you've passed NICS in the last year or five, everyone has to get out of your face?

Hmmm.....


The danger in this sort of codification, Hugh, is that it takes on a beaurocratic life of its own, with consequences both unintended and perverse.

Among them will be the perception that national CCW is "solved", when in fact, the fundamental issues remain to be addressed, and the root issue obfuscated.

AF_INT1N0
February 18, 2006, 08:34 PM
Probably the Best way to do it on the Federal Level would be as follows....

Level 1---CCW of any handheld (Resonably Concealable) Firearm, Knife, Nunchackas, Bolo, Plasma Cannon, is acceptable as long as the carrier doesn't infringe on the the LLPoH of others.
Note: State Representatives that feel their citizens "don't have proper justification" to recieve a level 1 permit will be in defacto non compliance of the Law and therefor subject to imprisonment for up to 10 years and/or fines up to $250,000. Additionally those found Non compliant will be deported to North Korea.

The Conceal carry permit used in level 1 states will be one of the following
1. Motor Vehicles operators licence
2. Last years 1040.
3. SS-Card
4. DD form 2
5. Drawing of a Dog
6. Stick of Gum
7. Pocket lint
8. An imaginary Mouse

Any other way and the FEDs would just mess it up.

Graystar
February 18, 2006, 09:53 PM
Hugh, what happens when you get to a state like New York that doesn't allow you to even possess a firearm?

I'm sorry, but your system doesn't seem to address any existing problems, and doesn't improve upon the current system.

What you call anarchy, is viewed as sovereignty by others.

Sistema1927
February 18, 2006, 10:50 PM
Probably the Best way to do it on the Federal Level would be as follows....

Level 1---CCW of any handheld (Resonably Concealable) Firearm, Knife, Nunchackas, Bolo, Plasma Cannon, is acceptable as long as the carrier doesn't infringe on the the LLPoH of others.
Note: State Representatives that feel their citizens "don't have proper justification" to recieve a level 1 permit will be in defacto non compliance of the Law and therefor subject to imprisonment for up to 10 years and/or fines up to $250,000. Additionally those found Non compliant will be deported to North Korea.

The Conceal carry permit used in level 1 states will be one of the following
1. Motor Vehicles operators licence
2. Last years 1040.
3. SS-Card
4. DD form 2
5. Drawing of a Dog
6. Stick of Gum
7. Pocket lint
8. An imaginary Mouse

Any other way and the FEDs would just mess it up.


Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding!

We have a winner!

Sistema1927
February 18, 2006, 10:52 PM
as long as the carrier doesn't infringe on the the LLPoH of others.



One question: Is LLPoH "Life, Liberty, Property or Happiness"?

If so, then maybe we should drop the "H" since some folks will only be happy if others are disarmed and helpless.

Standing Wolf
February 19, 2006, 12:56 AM
Hugh, I think you have a great future as a tax lawyer.

3rdpig
February 19, 2006, 01:56 AM
All states should recognize a lawful state issued CCW, for at least a period of 30 days. Once a person becomes a resident of that state, or the 30 day period is over and they're still within that state, then they need to obey that states laws, get a permit for that state if they offer one, or stop carrying concealed (or at all) if that is the law. This is how drivers licenses work, and I see no reason why CCW's shouldn't work the same way. This allows CCW holders to travel to other states for business or pleasure without giving up their legal right to personal protection as licensed by their state of residence, but doesn't force the other states into accepting laws that the citizens of that state have not voted into law.

In Arizona I'm forced to accept a gay couple that got married in Massachusetts, despite the fact that gays can't marry in Arizona. Why shouldn't Mass be forced to accept my CCW while I'm visiting or passing through?

It really doesn't matter to me, I'll never live in a state that doesn't allow it's citizens to own and carry weapons for personal protection, and I've recently decided that I don't want to visit them either. I'll keep my vacation dollars for those states that beleive in freedom.

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