A question for DSA FAL owners


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LoadAmmo
February 19, 2006, 05:23 AM
Anybody interested in selling theirs? :D

I've had an itch for awhile for a 16" DSA FAL carbine, but a 21" is fine too.

What do you recommend?

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Matthew748
February 19, 2006, 07:18 AM
No, I am happy with mine. Here is a tip though. If you are on a budget do not rule out the STG58s (the ones built with Steyr or FN surplus parts). When I got my STG58 I was floored by it. The fit and finish was perfect and the bore looked like a hall of mirrors. DSA obviously takes a lot of pride in their work.

BozemanMT
February 19, 2006, 08:19 AM
Look at the newest issue of GUNS magazine.
Very pretty DSA FAL STG58-TAC
16 inch barrel, big safety, rail on top.
just very cool looking
Even the wife liked it:what:

The Real Hawkeye
February 19, 2006, 09:41 AM
No, I am happy with mine. Here is a tip though. If you are on a budget do not rule out the STG58s (the ones built with Steyr or FN surplus parts). When I got my STG58 I was floored by it. The fit and finish was perfect and the bore looked like a hall of mirrors. DSA obviously takes a lot of pride in their work.I second that. I have the STG 58 with the Imbel receiver built with Steyr parts. It is every bit as good for its intended role as the DSA guns. I paid about $300 for mine about six or seven years ago. Super accurate. Super reliable. What else do you want? Only thing it's missing is a flash suppressor. That was sawed off for import, unfortunately. Thank the lord we have a government that cares enough about us to make importers saw off dangerous things like flash suppressors, eh?

Lone_Gunman
February 19, 2006, 10:13 AM
How much money are we talking about for the DSA FAL carbine? I see the MSRP on the website, but how much do they actually sell for at gunshops?

LoadAmmo
February 19, 2006, 11:01 AM
How much money are we talking about for the DSA FAL carbine? I see the MSRP on the website, but how much do they actually sell for at gunshops?

+1 great question

Also, do any companies keep these in stock? It'll be hard waiting months for one..... but if I have too...

Father Knows Best
February 19, 2006, 11:30 AM
How much money are we talking about for the DSA FAL carbine? I see the MSRP on the website, but how much do they actually sell for at gunshops?

With gun shops, expect to pay a lot. I've only seen one used SA58 for sale at a gun shop. The asking price was $2,000. I talked to the owner, and he admitted it was his personal rifle, and he didn't really want or expect to sell it. He had it up there just in case someone really desperately wanted one (or didn't know better) and was willing to pay a ridiculously high price. He also needed to take up some wall space. If he sold it, he was just going to buy another one.

I paid $1400 for my SA58 Para Congo about a year or so ago. I bought it from a THR member who advertised it in the classifieds section. It has the 16" barrel with short Belgian flash hider, folding stock, rail front handguard, extreme duty scope mount, etc. It's a beauty, and I feel like I got a very good deal.

My suggestion is to watch the classifieds here and on FALfiles, and auction sites like Gunbroker.

HankB
February 19, 2006, 11:43 AM
Another vote for a DSA STG58. Mine was built by DSA on one of their "Type II" receivers, and I'm very happy with it - bore was pristine, rifle is reliable and with DSA's "European walnut" stock wood it looks pretty classy, too.

Accuracy is about ~2 - 2.5 MOA with SA ball ammo . . . oddly enough, the highly-touted Aussie milsurp ammo that's been coming in during the past few years isn't as accurate as the SA ball in this rifle.

Bought during the dark days of the AWB, my rifle has a plain muzzle :( but as soon as I find a good local 'smith I'll rectify that. (Parts count is OK.)

Chuck R.
February 19, 2006, 01:13 PM
I bought my SA58 a couple years ago at close to $200 under MSRP. Here’s how I did it:

1. Find a FFL that’s willing to handle a transfer for just a transfer fee (mine was $15.00, most are $20-$25)

2. Have the FFL send a letter or FAX to DSA permitting DSA to deal directly with you. They WILL NOT quote you anything other than MSRP until they have a signed document or phone call from your FFL.

3. Contact DSA to verify all is cool and they’re ready to deal with you.

4. DSA then gave me the dealer price + shipping ($20), I gave DSA my CC number.

5. After my rifle was built, and ready for shipping, DSA charged my card.

6. I did the paperwork at my FFL, and paid him the $15.

This way you’ll end up having to do a little homework and waiting for the rifle to be built, but you’ll get it exactly the way you want it, and save a little $$$$.

Chuck

Zen21Tao
February 19, 2006, 01:37 PM
You could do like I did and buy an Imbel parts kits, your american made internals and receiver from DSA then put it together yourself (taking anything you arn't able to do to gunsmith). The up sides to doing this is that you can customize the rifle to your exact liking, your end result will be a high quality rifle that cost you much less to build than to buy, and the fact that it is something you built and customized yourself will make it more sentamental.

The Real Hawkeye
February 19, 2006, 03:09 PM
I have an STG 58. The only thing it does not have is the flash suppressor. It is just a plain muzzle. What law prevents me from putting a flash suppressor on there? Anyone know. I have a vague understanding that it is illegal to do this, but not sure of the law that makes it illegal, and it's purpose. Would appreciate some help.

The Real Hawkeye
February 19, 2006, 03:38 PM
This is an excellent article on the STG 58. http://www.entreprise.com/News/articles/STG58%20p1.htm

LoadAmmo
February 19, 2006, 04:07 PM
I bought my SA58 a couple years ago at close to $200 under MSRP. Here’s how I did it:

1. Find a FFL that’s willing to handle a transfer for just a transfer fee (mine was $15.00, most are $20-$25)

2. Have the FFL send a letter or FAX to DSA permitting DSA to deal directly with you. They WILL NOT quote you anything other than MSRP until they have a signed document or phone call from your FFL.

3. Contact DSA to verify all is cool and they’re ready to deal with you.

4. DSA then gave me the dealer price + shipping ($20), I gave DSA my CC number.

5. After my rifle was built, and ready for shipping, DSA charged my card.

6. I did the paperwork at my FFL, and paid him the $15.

This way you’ll end up having to do a little homework and waiting for the rifle to be built, but you’ll get it exactly the way you want it, and save a little $$$$.

Chuck

Thanks for the advice, that's a great way to save a bundle.

LoadAmmo
February 19, 2006, 04:09 PM
With gun shops, expect to pay a lot. I've only seen one used SA58 for sale at a gun shop. The asking price was $2,000. I talked to the owner, and he admitted it was his personal rifle, and he didn't really want or expect to sell it. He had it up there just in case someone really desperately wanted one (or didn't know better) and was willing to pay a ridiculously high price. He also needed to take up some wall space. If he sold it, he was just going to buy another one.

I paid $1400 for my SA58 Para Congo about a year or so ago. I bought it from a THR member who advertised it in the classifieds section. It has the 16" barrel with short Belgian flash hider, folding stock, rail front handguard, extreme duty scope mount, etc. It's a beauty, and I feel like I got a very good deal.

My suggestion is to watch the classifieds here and on FALfiles, and auction sites like Gunbroker.

Thanks for the insight. Father does know best.

1911Ron
February 19, 2006, 05:01 PM
I really like mine and all i've done is sight it in and adjust the gas on it:D to me it just feels right.

Zen21Tao
February 19, 2006, 09:35 PM
I have an STG 58. The only thing it does not have is the flash suppressor. It is just a plain muzzle. What law prevents me from putting a flash suppressor on there? Anyone know. I have a vague understanding that it is illegal to do this, but not sure of the law that makes it illegal, and it's purpose. Would appreciate some help.

Prior to the sunset of the 94' Assault Weapon Ban adding a "flash hider" would make it an illegal configuration. But now that the AWB has sunset a flash hider can be added if you comply with BATFE 178.93 US made parts requirement.

BATFE 178.93 identifies 20 foreign made parts and states that having more than 10 of these parts is illegal. Of these 20 parts only 17 apply to a FAL. So, at least 7 of these parts, if used, must be US made leaving only the 10 foreign parts allowed. Some people/manufacturers use 6 US made parts and leave off the muzzle attachment. If this is the case then any muzzle attachment added MUST be US made. On the other hand, if the rifle has 7 (or more) US made parts without the muzzle attachment then a foreign made one can be.

BATFE 178.93
http://www.cgwguns.com/ATF_17839.html

The Real Hawkeye
February 19, 2006, 11:37 PM
Prior to the sunset of the 94' Assault Weapon Ban adding a "flash hider" would make it an illegal configuration. But now that the AWB has sunset a flash hider can be added if you comply with BATFE 178.93 US made parts requirement.

BATFE 178.93 identifies 20 foreign made parts and states that having more than 10 of these parts is illegal. Of these 20 parts only 17 apply to a FAL. So, at least 7 of these parts, if used, must be US made leaving only the 10 foreign parts allowed. Some people/manufacturers use 6 US made parts and leave off the muzzle attachment. If this is the case then any muzzle attachment added MUST be US made. On the other hand, if the rifle has 7 (or more) US made parts without the muzzle attachment then a foreign made one can be.

BATFE 178.93
http://www.cgwguns.com/ATF_17839.htmlSo, regardless, I can add an American made flash suppressor? Are you sure of that? I have no idea how to determine where the other parts were made, but I assume that at least six parts are American made. I am also assuming that it would have come with an Austrian made flash suppressor if it had seven American made parts. Does DSA make flash suppressors that look authentic and appropriate? Do I need to have the barrel threaded?

Zen21Tao
February 21, 2006, 03:14 AM
So, regardless, I can add an American made flash suppressor? Are you sure of that? I have no idea how to determine where the other parts were made, but I assume that at least six parts are American made. I am also assuming that it would have come with an Austrian made flash suppressor if it had seven American made parts. Does DSA make flash suppressors that look authentic and appropriate? Do I need to have the barrel threaded?

I am sure that since flash hiders are no longer regulated by the Clinton AWB and almost certain that the flash hider can count as one of the 7 US required parts. I don't know about threading. The US flash hider I bought was from FSE and doesn't appear to be threaded but I have read that FAL barrels have a reverse threading. Because I don't have the required equipment I plan to have my barrel attached and headspaced by DSA and let them swap out flash holders for me. I would sugget giveing them a call. They can tell you if flash hiders need to be threaded and if so do the threading for you. And yes I think DSA sells flash hiders I just went with the FSE because it looks just like the foreign made one that came on my barrel.

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