February 19, 2006, 10:44 AM
I was looking on gunbroker and saw several pump action rifles chambered in 30 Remington. In reviewing the round it is basically a rimless 30-30 and can even be reloaded using data for the 30-30, and since it's rimless you can use it in a box magazine. This seems like a real bonus since you could use the round in rifles of multiple configurations.
So why did the 30-30 remain so popular when this round didn't? Or maybe a better question would be, why didn't this round remain as popular as the 30-30?
February 19, 2006, 10:51 AM
Pumps and autos as hunting rifles never caught on. The lever gun remains popular after 150 years. It's not that caliber is bad, it's just that the platform wasn't a huge selling success.
February 19, 2006, 11:19 AM
The success or failure of many cartridges has alot to do with 2 things:
1)The guns that it is available in
2)Is there a similar cartridge, that has been around for a while, and is firmly entrenched for its niche.
I think the .30 Remington failed on both of these...It wasn't available in very many guns, and the "classic" deer getter at the time was a lever action 30-30, and there were thousands already in use when the .30 Remington was introduced.
I have a Remington Model 8 in .35 Remington (which I believe they also made the same model in .30) that makes more sense to me, as its a step up in power (and $%^%$%^&* recoil!) over the 30-30 or .30 Remington, and its an autoloader which was kinda new and different at the time. If I remember correctly, there were many more of these made in .35 than .32 or .30. Altogether they were never that popular, with something like 35,000 sold over many years.
February 19, 2006, 11:51 AM
"Why?" is a tough question. "Why not?" is tougher.
But I see a couple of causes.
As dfaugh says, the .30-30 had several years of head start in building a customer base, brand and image recognition.
WW I trained hundreds of thousands of men with bolt action rifles; only the most basic of lever actions hung on, pump action was for shotguns not rifles, and automatics were still newfangled.
I think the Remington automatics and pumps did remarkably well, all things considered. But then there were the Standard Arms combination pump/auto and the Stevens lever action that took the .30 Remington and pretty much sunk without a trace in the sea of more traditional guns.