BLACK POWDER SAWED OFF SHOTGUN???


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AF_INT1N0
February 20, 2006, 01:42 AM
Hey guy's I was just thinking about that article on the Auto and Burgular Shotgun (the 20gauge side by side with pistol grip)

And I had a question?

I had heard that Black powder was not NFA controlled..

So... Would a 12 guage sawed off shotgun that ran on black powder be legal??

Of course you would probably on get two shots and then have one heck of a reload, but would it be O.K. to own?

Just a question.

AF_int1n0

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beerslurpy
February 20, 2006, 01:49 AM
Fixed cartridge = regulated.
Muzzleloader = ok for felons to own.

I beleive this applies to derringers as well.

Jim March
February 20, 2006, 02:13 AM
There have been various thoughts of front-stuffer shotguns cut to pistol grips and barrels in the 12" range being legal under Federal rules while being a respectable weapon for certain circumstances, esp. car defense (blast away and then drive like hell).

They may NOT be legal under some state laws. You'd have to research that yourself in detail.

Crosshair
February 20, 2006, 02:58 AM
OOO, I think I know what my first BP gun is going to be.:evil: Any good links to BP shotgun makers???

Jim March
February 20, 2006, 04:49 AM
http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_162_192&products_id=976

http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_162_192&products_id=977

Those are kits.

http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?products_id=3457

Pedersoli may be the only maker of these things left...DO NOT butcher an actual antique! Besides being sacraligious, it's unsafe to use a shotgun barrel that old without a serious examination of the metal.

Cosmoline
February 20, 2006, 05:13 AM
You can actually keep a Topper type 12 ga within the barrel and OAL restrictions and still have a very light and handy truck gun.

Hawken50
February 20, 2006, 07:25 AM
They may NOT be legal under some state laws. You'd have to research that yourself in detail.

fyi, new york is one of those states. in short, muzzleloading guns aren't considered firearms untill you load them. when loaded, any and all firearms laws apply. for example, you can buy a muzzleloading pistol mail order from cabellas without any regulation. but if you load it, legally, you must have a pistol permit.

NukemJim
February 20, 2006, 08:04 AM
Muzzleloader = ok for felons to own

Uhmm, I believe you might want to check your state laws on that. I believe it varies from state to state.

NukemJim

ctdonath
February 20, 2006, 10:26 AM
I had heard that Black powder was not NFA controlled.. So... Would a 12 guage sawed off shotgun that ran on black powder be legal??Do not :cuss: with NFA law. EVER.

If a shotgun was made to fire normal shotgun cartidges, cutting down the barrel below 18" will get you in very deep :cuss: unless FIRST you get BATFE permission to make a short-barreled shotgun or AOW and pay the $200 tax.

If you begin with a virgin (i.e.: never assembled into anything) shotgun receiver, you might be able to build a muzzle-loading pistol of large caliber on that platform - so long it is truly a muzzle-loader.

I strongly recommend: before building anything unusual, carefully figure out exactly what you want to do, then ask the BATFE in writing (they have a department for this) about the legality & paperwork. Only upon receiving a positive response consider actually building it.

Messing about on the fringes of NFA law is very risky. Unless you KNOW what is happening at that fringe, don't. Doing so can be fun & rewarding - IF you do things right and KNOW what you're doing. Messing up with NFA is very messy.

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