[ElTacoGrande]

Hello,

This is legal and political. Most of the discussion here is political, but I'm asking a specific legal question.

As some may be aware, a recent court case has made it possible to import (into CA) receivers of gun types that would otherwise be CA "assault weapons". The court said that it's impossible to determine if a particular receiver is "AR-15 type" or "AK-type". The DoJ has to put the receivers on the list *by name*. Cool. That means that any receiver with a name that isn't on the list isn't an "assault weapon" receiver and is importable to CA, just like any other gun. So there is a scramble now to import as many off-list receivers as possible. The idea is that they will eventually be put "on list", the owners will register them, and then they can be put into an "assault weapon" configuration.

There's a belief that the legislature will somehow take action to change this situation, so people are in a bit of a hurry to get their "off list" receivers.

Right now, obviously, most people are scrambling for AR-15 type receivers. This is a popular and excellent gun, and there may not be another chance to own one in CA.

I'm asking about an AK receiver. I already have two CA-registered ARs, but I really really like AKs, I have a whole heap of CA-legal AK mags, and I want an AK.

Can anyone suggest an off-list AK receiver I could buy, and later on build up into a rifle? Ideally this would be US-made and high-quality. US-made lets me more easily put it into a non-importable configuration, as well.

If anyone can recommend one, I'm buying it yesterday!

Thanks

[MGshaggy]

If I were you I'd look for an incomplete or unbent receiver stamping. They do require a little bending, and some need some welding, but they do not transfer as firearms. You can buy them over the counter and through the mail. If CA law allows it, make your own receiver from the stamping and give it your unique model number that will likely never be put on a list. For example, make the model a "BOOMSTICK-47". Build it up as a CA legal AK in every other way, but with an odd model number it'll probably never get on a list that you'll have to register later.

[ElTacoGrande]

Thanks for the advice. I'm aware of those, but unfortunately, they don't help my situation. What will happen is that these manufactured "off-list" receivers will end up being designated as assault weapons by the CA DoJ, which will then mean that I'm free to put it into an AW configuration. In other words, I want it to be a model that will be listed so I can put on a folding stock. If I make my own receiver, it will never be listed, so I could never put it into an AW configuration. Yes it's idiotic, welcome to California. This has to be something commercially manufactured and not listed.

[CypherNinja]

Do you know the names that are on the list, or can you provide a link to the list?

That way we'll know what not to list. ;)

www.ak-47.net may be able to help you out as well.


EDIT: Basically, you just need a US-made (finished, serial numbered) reciever, right?

[billwiese]

Taco..

Might wanna also hang out on www.Calguns.Net for continuing off-list discussion in "Gun Rights, Legal, Political" forum and its "Legal 223 Self-loading Rifle" sub-forum. As news breaks in off-list lower land, it's usually where you'll hear things first

I'm not an AK person, but I believe Global Trades and Ewbanks would be candidates. And they are US mfgd, so there's one US compliance part for US Sec 922(r) "10-or-less" parts game.

Use care in not coming too close to items on the existing AK list in Calif Code of Regulation sec 979.11 - there are some confusions between importers and manufacturers, etc.

Do NOT make your own AR or AK receiver from an "80% lower" or an unbent flat. There is a reasonable chance that homebuilt receivers, since they cannot practically be covered by the Harrott decision, could fall back into Kasler territory - which means you're busted. Furthermore, since these can't be listed, they can't be banned - and thus would never be declared as assault weapons allowing registration and being fully equipped with all evil features (recent DOJ memo notwithstanding).


Bill Wiese
San Jose, CA

[ElTacoGrande]

Might wanna also hang out on www.Calguns.Net for continuing off-list discussion in "Gun Rights, Legal, Political" forum and its "Legal 223 Self-loading Rifle" sub-forum. As news breaks in off-list lower land, it's usually where you'll hear things first

Thanks for the suggestions. I'll check Calguns and AK-47.net and see if I can find the receiver I need.

I'm not an AK person, but I believe Global Trades and Ewbanks would be candidates. And they are US mfgd, so there's one US compliance part for US Sec 922(r) "10-or-less" parts game.

Exactly, that's what I want. An AK with a folding stock and standard capacity magazines, IN CALIFORNIA!!!! IN THE SAME DISTRICT AS THE GUY WHO WROTE THE CA AWB ITSELF!!!!!!

Use care in not coming too close to items on the existing AK list in Calif Code of Regulation sec 979.11 - there are some confusions between importers and manufacturers, etc.

Right, that's the tricky part. I think I'm best off with a US-made piece that has a clear product name that's clearly not on the list.

Do NOT make your own AR or AK receiver from an "80% lower" or an unbent flat. There is a reasonable chance that homebuilt receivers, since they cannot practically be covered by the Harrott decision, could fall back into Kasler territory - which means you're busted.

Right, I'm aware of that, otherwise I would have a receiver made by now. It has to be commercially made and it needs a "product name" that's not on the list.

Furthermore, since these can't be listed, they can't be banned - and thus would never be declared as assault weapons allowing registration and being fully equipped with all evil features (recent DOJ memo notwithstanding).

Right, if you make your own, it's doesn't help with this trick.

[Creeping Incrementalism]

ElTacoGrande, you simply have to visit CalGuns.net. It's relevancy for us is off the charts compared to this place. As if you needed any more reminder of how different California is.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=27660

Links to a place selling AK receivers which I believe are made completely in California. I don't know anything about their quality but I get a good vibe looking at the site. The manufacturer's site is...

http://www.nodakspud.com/page2.htm

[ElTacoGrande]

Thanks for the recommendation. That Nodakspud.com gun is exactly what I'm looking for. Now I need to find a dealer who will transfer it to me. Can anyone recommend an FFL anywhere within a few hours drive of LA who would do this? Apparently Tenpercentfirarems is no longer doing it. I have a feeling that the CA DoJ is illegally threatening FFLs to get them to stop doing this. The court has ordered than off-list means off-list, but of course the DoJ is above the law.