[Oleg Volk]

http://www.olegvolk.net/gallery/albums/arms/nolacops1083.sized.jpg

[1911Ron]

I like it, it has the right tone to it and speaks to every one.
In Arizona the there is a bill that has been introduced to prevent this from happening here.

[Oleg Volk]

Neighbors with rifles and the will to use them on gangs operating under any colors...nah, wishful thinking. Simo Häyhä is dead and Henry Bowman is busy.

[CentralTexas]

I'm confused, Wasn't she under a 3rd World government BEFORE the flood?:evil:
Nice work (again)
CT

[Kodiaz]

Well I can tell it is coming together on one block in South Florida.

[LawDog]

I like it, but you might consider changing 'juntas' to 'dictatorships'.

LawDog

[Standing Wolf]

The "police" officer looks like a toy. I like it.

[XavierBreath]

I don't feel this one has the same impact of so many of Oleg's posters.

The visual imagery is lacking on the Oleg scale, and the message is much to verbose.

NOLA is a difficult subject. I amire Oleg for taking it on, and I actually think nobody can do it better. A good critique is an honest critique though, and I find this poster lacking in many ways.

Is is possible to use image captures from the Konie film? I'd love a shot of an old woman's hand holding a nickel Colt Police Positive such as she displayed prior to being gang tackled.

[Oleg Volk]

I'll stage photos just for that. Didn't have any on hand. The "cops" are the same toy, photographed twice. Keep the feedback coming: I'll take photos to fit new ideas and concepts.

[Johnny_Yuma]

or perhaps see others shoot them, is decidedly "low road."

Neighbors with rifles and the will to use them on gangs operating under any colors...nah, wishful thinking. Simo Häyhä is dead and Henry Bowman is busy.

You obviously put a lot of effort into these posters. I wonder if it's not turning into a bit of an obsession. I'm referring to your posters suggesting that citizens use rifles to against armored LEOs serving "no-knock" warrants and your "never again" poster regarding NOLA with the EBR. I'm all for law-abiding citizens owning and carrying firearms, but the actions some of your stupid posters seem to advocate are the exact opposite of "law abiding."

JY

[SomeKid]

There is absolutly nothing wrong with shooting a rabid dog, regardless of who the master is.

[Oleg Volk]

I want to avoid shooting people. My posters ought to promote MAD and dissuade cops and others from messing with each other. If one side has an advantage over the other, abuses are more likely.

[mordechaianiliewicz]

Mr. Yuma, Oleg isn't suggesting shooting cops (yet). He's just talking about abuses.

The overriding message in just about everything at Oleg's site is let's us the soap box and ballot box so we don't ever have to use the cartridge box

[mustanger98]

SHOULD U.S. LAW ENFORCERS GET AWAY WITH DOING IT TO US?

Here's another question directly related: Should those law enforcers' superiors get away with giving them the un-Constitution, and therefore illegal, order?

Now, to another point...

Oleg Volk said: Neighbors with rifles and the will to use them on gangs operating under any colors...nah, wishful thinking.

This basically describes an armed version of the neighborhood watch. The hills, or in this case the neighbors' houses, have eyes... and rifles... with interlocking/overlapping fields of fire. Looters of any stripe will be either placed under citizen's arrest or stomped to death. The choice is left to the looters and the neighborhood welcoming comittee will be very accomodating either way. "Fight Crime; Shoot Back", so sayeth the bumper sticker. I can see these threads ain't about killin' cops. Why can't some others see it? Somebody read too much into this statement.

[Meplat]

Oleg,

Not really sure how you did the pic at ready postion and the shadow at shouldered weapon, but it adds to the piece quite nicely.

The only thing I can see is the last part....perhaps a little cumbersome?

Perhaps something along the lines of "Are we going to let OURS do it to us?"

[Kodiaz]

Low road. All people attempting to violate my rights will be shot. The ones with the body armor will be getting 12 ga. slugs.


http://triggerfinger.org/archive/neworleans/abcnews.mpg


If you can stomach watching this at the end you get to hear a soldier talking about shouting a citizen for defending their freedom.

[rickr44318]

Maybe I'm missing something ... how would the "California Highway Patrol" do anything to a woman in New Orleans? Looks like a redo is in order.
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[Herself]

Might try the latest issue of NRAs "First Freedom" magazine, rickr44318; or look up the the video links posted on other NOLA threaads: CHP officers, working with LSP, forcibly disarmed a little old lady who was showing them -- not pointing it at them, not making threats with it, showing them -- an emply Colt .32 six-shooter.

She was tackled up against the wall of her kitchen by an armed and armored officer about twice her size. Her shoulder was broken. She was forcibly relocated hundreds of miles away. Does that sound like the United States you learned about in Civics class?

The creatures who did it are the sort of "officers" Johnny Yuma frets might get shot. You'd think he would be concerned about having to work beside such beasts, instead!

Me, I am hoping we can avoid having to shoot them -- by reminding them they don't have free reign.

Others have pointed out that blame falls to the politicians who gave the orders, and this is true; but claiming to be but a tool of others is no defense against an immoral act. Disarming the weak is immoral. The enforcers in question could have said "no." They could have, at least, turned a blind eye. They could have asked rather than attacked. They did none of those.

They abused little old ladies. Elsewhere in NOLA, they disarmed honest homeowners and fathers, and sat them handcuffed on the curb in front of their families to await removal.

And Johnny Yuma is worried about the safety of the men who did this? --And not about the citizens those officers were sworn to protect?

No, Johnny; when a dog ravages the flocks, it it time to shoot that dog. Not the other dogs, the good dogs who stand watch, who protect and serve. Just the bad ones.

Men* aren't dogs. Men are more clever. Most men can learn; if they cannot learn the morality that comes from within, then to mimic moral behavior to preserve their own lives.

We don't often have to shoot men. It is always regrettable, no matter how necessary.

If you don't want men shot, don't make it necessary to shoot them. Oleg's posters help avoid that necessity.

--Herself
_____________________
* Women, too, but my prose is clumsy enough already; please read the word "men" as a referent to the entire species in this context.

[XavierBreath]

Maybe I'm missing something ... how would the "California Highway Patrol" do anything to a woman in New Orleans?

An assault on citizen rights (http://www.tribune-democrat.com/editorials/local_story_301105142.html)

The Patricia Konie Video (http://www.filecabi.net/video/newrrleansladywithgun.html)

Hurricane Katrina Survivor Victimized Again: Injuries from Police Use of Excessive Force Required Surgery (http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=58112)

Tale Of Two Cities In New Orleans (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/09/13/earlyshow/main837959.shtml)

There is more, much more. Enlightenment (http://xavierthoughts.blogspot.com/2005/09/racism-gun-confiscation-and-hurricaine.html) is only a few clicks away for those who desire it.

Remember New Orleans! (http://xavierthoughts.blogspot.com/2005/12/gun-story-of-2005.html)

You may want to take note of what has occured in Richmond VA as well, rickr44318. It ain't good.

[XavierBreath]

"Picture your beloved hometown, the neighborhood where you live. Hold that image in your head. Now imagine that a massive natural disaster has transformed your beloved neighborhood into a putrid soup of splinters, muck and corpses. A massive natural disaster has pounded and ground your town into an ugly gravy of dead, toxic garbage. There's no power to run a single thing that makes a sound. There's no water to bring in hydration or carry away waste. All life is stagnant around you - and dying. You can't call anyone. No one can call you. Phone lines and cell towers are down. 911 is gone. Police, fire, ambulance - the safety net of normal life - is completely gone. Think about what that would feel like. There's no one but you.

"The shadows of armed looters and thugs begin combing the streets with hard eyes and hungry looks. They take what they want. They rape who they want. They kill at will. Every exit is impassable, so leaving is impossible. But staying is unimaginable. Life has been reduced to merely breathing, devoid of the barest essentials. Your throat throbs for water. Your gut aches for food. And both hungers are eclipsed by the inevitable fight for survival against those who would take your home, your wife and your life.

"It's a hellish nightmare of hopelessness, helpless terror - bigger than your brain can almost imagine . You hear nothing but the buzz of mosquitoes, occasional shouts for help - and gunshots and looting in the dark.

"But you have a firearm.

"At dawn, a few neighbors emerge from their houses. Some of them also have guns. And you get together with them and you agree to take a stand - just as good people have done since civilization was formed. Until civilization returns, you band together to protect those who can't protect themselves. You realize suddenly that you're part of the militia in the truest historic sense of the word. You've got a lot of single mothers with kids on your street. . . . Everyone's doors and windows are wide open - they've been destroyed. So you tell the single mothers: 'If you have any trouble, just scream. We'll hear you. We'll be there.'

"You spray paint sheets of plywood with big red letters - 'We are home. We have guns. We will shoot.' And you know, because even the New York Times carried a picture of it - that's exactly what they did in neighborhood after neighborhood all over the Gulf states. Not in some foreign country - here in the U.S.A. Roving gangs see your sign, they see your guns and what do they do? They stay away. Those guns and nothing else during that time gave the hopeless hope . . . In the midst of all that misery you're struck at that moment by the beauty and the salvation of second amendment freedom in the United States of America . . .

"The armed authorities finally arrive. The blame a broken levee for your predicament. But then, something you couldn't imagine happening, happens. They destroy the one thing that was standing there between you and anarchy - the second amendment.

"They start confiscating firearms from the law abiding. Swat-style teams start swarming block-by-block as if on a war footing. They're tense, they're jumpy and they're trained for urban warfare . Keep in mind, these military folks, these police folks - they were on our side. They didn't want to carry out this order that was given by the police chief of New Orleans.... In fact, they were outraged over what they'd been ordered to do. A reporter asked one of them - 'You mean [you might have to] shoot an American?' And the soldier said 'yes.' But the Americans he was talking about shooting, they weren't criminals. They were brave people who were simply left behind when the hurricane hit in one of the most corrupt cities in the United States of America.

"New Orleans was the first city in American history to disarm peaceable American citizens door-to-door at gunpoint. And I'll tell you this as we sit here today - it must be the last . With your help, the National Rifle Association is going to make sure it never happens again. We're going to go state-by-state and change every state law that has some type of emergency powers statute that allows authorities to regulate or confiscate guns from law abiding citizens when an emergency is declared . The example of New Orleans is going to become to worst fear of those who want to ban guns in the good old U.S.A. Never again can the anti-gunners claim that honest citizens don't need firearms because the police and the government are going to be there to protect you . And we've got a good slogan that you're going to hear from one end of the country to the other. And that slogan is: Remember New Orleans.....

"The next time anyone says to you: 'Are you just afraid or paranoid?' Look them straight in the eye and say: Remember New Orleans.

"If they ask you, 'Why does anyone need to own a gun?': Remember New Orleans.

"If they say to you, "Why does anyone need a high-capacity magazine?" Look them straight in the eye and say: Remember New Orleans.

"What's wrong with a 15 day waiting period? Remember New Orleans.

"What makes you think the government would ever confiscate your gun? Remember New Orleans.

"Is the second amendment relevant in the 21st Century? Remember New Orleans.

"That's our battle cry and let's never, ever let them forget it."

Wayne La Pierre, NRA Vice President

[Dave Markowitz]

Oleg,

This one is perfect.

[TallPine]

You obviously put a lot of effort into these posters. I wonder if it's not turning into a bit of an obsession. I'm referring to your posters suggesting that citizens use rifles to against armored LEOs serving "no-knock" warrants and your "never again" poster regarding NOLA with the EBR. I'm all for law-abiding citizens owning and carrying firearms, but the actions some of your stupid posters seem to advocate are the exact opposite of "law abiding."

The Concord Hymn
Sung at the Completion of the Concord Monument, July 4, 1837

By the rude bridge that arched the flood,
Their flag to April's breeze unfurled,
Here once the embattled farmers stood,
And fired the shot heard round the world.

The foe long since in silence slept;
Alike the conqueror silent sleeps;
And Time the ruined bridge has swept
Down the dark stream which seaward creeps.

On this green bank, by this soft stream,
We set to-day a votive stone;
That memory may their deed redeem,
When, like our sires, our sons are gone.

Spirit, that made those heroes dare
To die, or leave their children free,
Bid Time and Nature gently spare
The shaft we raise to them and thee.

--Ralph Waldo Emerson

[Oleg Volk]

The original poster caption mentioned the best-equipped gang in NOLA. The current caption is a lot nicer.

[stevelyn]

Johnny Yuma,

Violating someone's Constitutional rights under the color of law should be a hazardous undertaking.:mad:

Nice job Oleg. :)

[ctdonath]

but the actions some of your stupid posters seem to advocate are the exact opposite of "law abiding."When "law enforcement" is not "law abiding", there is no law save superior firepower.

That was exactly what happened in New Orleans: "law enforcement" was not "law abiding", as they frequently protected criminals flagrantly violating the law, and they assaulted citizens obeying the law - what then are the latter to do?

Yes, I'll assume that most cops in New Orleans after the hurricanes were doing the right thing. Unfortunately, enough were not that other citizens, like Oleg, are making a point of getting the message across: too many crossed the line - don't do it again. MAD indeed.

[MudPuppy]

One humble suggestion for consideration--perhaps the shadow could be of a NAZI with the distinct helmet?

Speaking of, Bush sr quit the NRA when they used the term jack boot thugs...I wonder if Bush sr has since realized the prophetic nature of that old statement and renewed his membership?

[ribbonstone]

Figure isn't frightening enough....pictured bone tired troops, young, mostly in lite-gear as it was hot and humid, lots of midwesterners and northerners. Add the destincive WWII type helmet for effect, but the reality of it wasn't so simple.

Brother elected to stay. Was in a high-dry 3-story house (the streets were impassable), plenty of stock-piled water, ample food, and lots of hardware evident. He spent his days hiding from the 'copters and the nights tracking the thugs from the 3rd floor windows. Water when down enough in the 3rd week that they loaded up the highest trucks/4XD's and headed out....would have styed longer, but one of the foks was running out of medications.

Mixed group of guradsment, NOPD, and I belive a couple from N.J. did knock on the door...no way he was opening the door (they had filled the stair case with the table, chairs, etc.)..they communicated by yelling back and forth from the street to the 3rd. floor. They told the they had to get out...didn't even bother to answer, just shook his head "no" and closed the window.;)

[Crosshair]

I like the photos that you have made lately. I don't really have anything to add to it.

[Zen21Tao]

Poster Idea: How about a woman being gang rapped by looters in a house next door to (or down the street from) a lady being disarmed by LEOs. The imagery might be a bit strong but I think it needs to be to get the message across.

[No_Brakes23]

Johnny Yuma, I don't see Oleg's strong words as encouragement to shoot at peace officers. Ad hom attacks regarding "Obsessions" aren't very High Road either. Perhaps there is a misunderstanding of the intentions of these pictures.

At any rate the confiscations at gunpoint and with handcuffs was certainly an eye-opener as to where we stand with regard to RKBA.

[Broadhead]

For the police (or National Guard or FBI or whoever they were) to confiscate those firearms from law-abiding citizens is illegal and unconstitutional.

Has anyone been prosecuted yet for this crime? Preferably the one who ordered this criminal action...

[ctdonath]

The crimes are being prosecuted. The little old lady has pressed charges.

[Rob62]

I just know I'm gonna regret this post. But like heading into a bad train wreck I just can't stop myself.

First and foremost I like Oleg's work. Always thoughtful and thought provoking.

Having said that. If you shoot at the Police, whether you are right or wrong. YOU WILL LOOSE. This is a non negotiable issue.

I'm sure there are a lot more knowledgeable people out there than I am. But as far as I know no one has ever shot at LEO's and later been caught or ID'd without at least doing some time or having a felony conviction to their name. Someone correct me if I am wrong here.

Maybe not fair, maybe not right, but its the way it is.

Regards,
Rob

[Oleg Volk]

Since I agree with that view, I keep trying to prevent the need to shoot at cops. Getting into a nuclear war with Russia would have been a bad thing also. Convincing cops and Soviets that an unprovoked attack on us would cause their deaths and that our own demise would be a poor confort to them is one way to avoid the showdown. The other is to try and change the laws, the comman and control system and rank and file attitudes to make such attacks undesirable for other reasons.

[ctdonath]

Yes, you will lose. So will they. To quote Oleg:My posters ought to promote MAD and dissuade cops and others from messing with each other.Yes, the citizen will lose. However, there are more citizens than cops. A policy of Mutual Assured Destruction will hopefully dissuade the gov't from doing something stupid.

[Kodiaz]

Rob 62 I hate to tell you but in Fl if you shoot the cops while they are doing something wrong you won't lose.

[XavierBreath]

confiscations at gunpoint and with handcuffs While reading this line, a compelling image of an armed person compared to a zipcuffed person came to my mind.

Does anyone remember the man who was zipcuffed and sitting on the end of a flatbed trailer? Where DID all those videos go?

[molonlabe]

post 16 XB, You are doing a good job keeping this record the video is there in Quick Time.

[Herself]

Rob62,

Sometimes -- some very few and terrible times -- aggressors must be removed even if you die in the process or pay a dreadful price afterwards. Sometimes you lose while enabling those you love to win.

I agree with Oleg, it is far better to stop any who person or group who would abuse the civil rights of others under color of law by making them aware of the resistance they will face rather than ever having to raise a weapon against them; but the only way to ensure peace is to be ready for war.

Are you willing to pay the price of freedom? Will you stand up for what is right? --Or will you be led meekly away?

It's your choice.

--Herself

[LaVere]

Is the ACLU or anyother group helping that lady with a law suit?

[XavierBreath]

Is the ACLU or anyother group helping that lady with a law suit?It seems our favorite Nawlins gun owner and attorney, Ashton R. O'Dwyer, has been retained by Patricia Konie in a federal lawsuit over the injuries and violations of civil rights she suffered at the hands of the California Highway Patrol. A CHP officer tackled Mrs. Konie on film to confiscate he weapon, which she safely displayed to him when asked.

Mr. O'Dwyer no doubt wants this one all to himself. He used to be a maritme attorney. He has become one of the most passionate 2nd ammendment attorneys in the country. Expect him to persevere.

More.............. (http://xavierthoughts.blogspot.com/2005/12/update-on-patricia-konie.html)

On September 8th, 2005, defendants, acting under color of State law in an official capacity, and in violation of federal and state law, wrongfully trespassed on premises legally occupied by plaintiff at [address withheld], and committed the following additional torts against plaintiff, her person and her property:

a) Assault and battery, including using excessive force under the circumstances;

b) False imprisonment by illegally taking plaintiff into custody and transporting her to South Carolina, from which she did not return to New Orleans until October 13th, 2005;

c) Intentional infliction of emotional distress; and

d) Conversion of legally owned property, to wit, a chrome 32 caliber Colt Revolver, with a pearl handle, which has not been returned to plaintiff.

By virtue of having committed the above-identified torts against plaintiff and her property, defendents violated rights, privileges, and immunities guaranteed to plaintiff under the Second, Fourth and Fourteenth Amendments of the United States Constitution, all in violation of 42 USC 1983.

In addition, certain of the defendents conspired to deprive plaintiff of rights, privileges and immunities guaranteed to plaintiff by the United States Constitution, all in violation of 42 USC 1985.

Further, certain of the defendants, who had full knowledge of their colleagues' conspiring to violate, and actually violating, plaintiff's constitutional rights, and committing torts against plaintiff's person and property, failed to intervene, all in violation of 42 USC 1986.

Defendants' acts and omissions were practiced with malice and/or with reckless disregard for plaintiff's federally protected rights, as well as her rights under state law.

As a direct result of the above-described tortious and illegal conduct by defendants, plaintiff sustained severe and disabling personal injuries, including injuries to her face, nose, left eye, left shoulder, left arm, and chest, among other injuries to her mind and body, for which surgery may be necessary, and causing plaintiff excruciating pain, suffering, mental anguish, humiliation, and embarassment.


:D

[bruss01]

Johnny Yuma,

If you're a law abiding cop, I can understand your sympathies lying with other law abiding cops.

We both know, not all citizens are law abiding citizens, and not all cops are law abiding cops.

Cops have been tried and convicted of every imaginable offense - child molestation, rape, robbery, murder - you name it. To argue that someone is beyond the commission of a crime simply because he or she wears a badge is patently false.

Since that is the case, are you arguing that a cop should still be treated as a cop even when engaged in patently illegal behavior? If I see a cop obviously in the act of raping a woman who is screaming for help, should I turn a blind eye saying "but he's got a badge, oh well..."? Obviously not! When a cop is acting as a criminal, committing a patently criminal act, they ARE a criminal, and the protection of their badge is forefit.

What we saw on tape was an utterly unprovoked assault on a woman who was beaten to the point of needing corrective surgery, because she had the misfortune to display (on his request, mind you) a simple handgun in a completely non-threatening way to a CHP officer, who immediately siezed her lawfully owned property, and took her out of her home by force against her will. Assault, theft, kidnapping... these sound like criminal acts, don't they?

I am dreadfully tired of hearing stories of cops who think they're above the law that the rest of us are so stintinly held to. I do not think that if Patricia Koine's son were present, he would have done anything morally wrong in using every force at his disposal to protect his aged mother from the looting, kidnapping, assaulting CRIMINAL who visited her that day.

I am NOT anti-cop, I am anti-criminal. Cops had better start getting the idea that when they act like criminals, they're going to get treated like criminals. Not to do so, will result in the great mass of people huddled, fearful, in their homes, scared to death of the "best armed gang in town".